Author Topic: Options to obtain the new set (Read 33451 times)

TheMarti · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2009, 03:01:40 PM »

Right. It makes sense. But, I was talking to someone earlier and realized something. We talk about cost efficiency, and although that's nice, in my opinion, this is no different than any other ministry. I will buy (insert item here- usually a shirt) to support a ministry in the same way that I will buy Redemption merchandise for the game to continue to minister to people. God has used this game in huge ways, and He will continue if we give to His Work.

~Marti

Bryon · « **Reply #26 on:** May 24, 2009, 03:19:33 PM »

Marti, stop looking at the big picture. There is much more to whine about if you look at how this effects you alone.

I wouldn't worry about this, guys. The Reflections sets were always popular and these follow a similar model. One main difference is that these packs include a HIGHER percentage of rares/ultras.

Yes, Sean, please put me on your list of potential buyers for Guardians and Destructions. I like to have a lot of decks, and those cards are in short supply. Almost EVERYONE wants at least one of each.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2009, 03:28:35 PM »

I agree with the general perspective of supporting a ministry. My wife is fully in favor of Redemption being considered a tithe-like opportunity. However, I also look at the fact that Redemption gives me playtime with my son. $150 is not too much to ask considering it is the equivalent of three video games, which many of us would not blink at.

Sean · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:11:25 PM »

Quote from: Marti

this is no different than any other ministry

Quote from: YMT

the general perspective of supporting a ministry.

I'm not sold on the concept that Cactus Games is a ministry. Cactus Games is a Christian Business. It is out to make a profit. The product it sells can be used for ministry but that doesn't mean you can tithe towards it. I'm pretty sure people don't donate money to Cactus like they do to their local food pantry. You also don't sow into a ministry so that you can benefit from it yourself. What joker gives a bag of food to the pantry and then asks them to deliver a meal to their house the following week?

Quote from: YMT

$150 is not too much to ask considering it is the equivalent of three video games, which many of us would not blink at.

It is a lot of money to me. Especially considering that the only reason I have video games is because of Christmas gifts and the fact that my mom won a Wii through a raffle at work.

That said, the more I look at it, the more I like the idea of selling off the old cards I don't need. I may be able to make some money off of it if there is enough interest.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:18:42 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 24, 2009, 05:11:25 PM

You also don't sow into a ministry so that you can benefit from it yourself.

How exactly am I benefitting from it other than playtime with my son?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:19:40 PM »

He's reffering to you getting something in return and thus it is not a true donation, I think.

Sean · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:26:16 PM »

Janissary is correct but I was also using the plural form of "you." I'm confident that YMT would make/have time with his son with or without Redemption so I don't consider that a valid reason for me or anyone else to buy Redemption cards.

People donate to money to homeless shelters to help the homeless. People buy Redemption cards so they can play a game. Not the same idea.

STAMP · « **Reply #32 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:30:52 PM »

Paul's Turn of the Millenium Tents & Poles probably sold a lot of tents just for the profit to pay for his travels. There was a little bit of ministering going on I've heard.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #33 on:** May 24, 2009, 05:36:55 PM »

I started a playgroup in Connecticut at a Christian School with the hopes of having a viable ministry that would reach the students who were not being reached by other extracurricular activities. The result was overwhelming, with as many as 30 students attending a weekly club. The parents of those students would often thank me for starting the club because it got their kids away from secular entertainment that they were not comfortable with, got their kids into the Bible again as they studied the cards and characters, increased family time between parents and kids, and provided an opportunity to get the cards into their unsaved friends' hands.

I gave out starter decks for free, traded insanely in their favor to build up their decks, and offered discounted pack prices to cover my overhead costs. The unwavering support of Reyzen made all that possible.

I think you have a very one-sided view of how some of us use Redemption. There are those who stand to make a profit, but there are just as many that take a loss for the sake of the ministry. When lives are changed, families are drawn closer, and unsaved friends are influenced (or at least exposed), then God is at work. Don't discount what our mighty God can do with just a game.

Sean · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2009, 06:39:29 PM »

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I gave out starter decks for free, traded insanely in their favor to build up their decks, and offered discounted pack prices to cover my overhead costs.

Do you want a pat on the back?

I've given away entire winnings at state and district tournaments so that younger players with much smaller card pools could make their decks better. I've given away hundreds of cards to children who otherwise wouldn't have played at all. I've mailed hundreds more cards across the country because somebody came on the board and asked for them. Do I get a pat on the back too?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #35 on:** May 24, 2009, 06:44:23 PM »

Your arrogance notwithstanding, ...

Quote from: Sean on May 24, 2009, 05:11:25 PM

You also don't sow into a ministry so that you can benefit from it yourself. What joker gives a bag of food to the pantry and then asks them to deliver a meal to their house the following week?

Sean · « **Reply #36 on:** May 24, 2009, 08:23:42 PM »

Arrogance? I believe it was you who first posted their list of "good works for Redemption". I guess it doesn't matter that I've been just as generous as you have and have done just as much to forward the fellowship that is created through Redemption unless I don't voice my disappointment with how the next set is being sold. My opinion doesn't matter unless it is in praise of the new set. My opinion doesn't matter unless I say it covered in flowers and perfume. Or maybe my opinion just doesn't matter at all?

Your claim that I am discounting what God can do with Redemption is completely off base. I also don't see how that even relates to the statement you quoted. I didn't give to those people so I could benefit from it, I gave to them so they could enjoy the game also. That's different from me buying cards so I can play with them.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #37 on:** May 24, 2009, 08:33:29 PM »

Sigh..... I didn't realize that giving a relevant example to illustrate my point qualified as self-glorification. I guess I should have started with, "I knew this guy once who..." Oh well.

You obviously have issues with the new set distribution, so I will let you wallow in your bitterness. Have fun.

Rrulez · « **Reply #38 on:** May 24, 2009, 08:51:10 PM »

Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on May 24, 2009, 08:49:32 PM

question what does this new territory class thing do?

Read the article.

Rrulez · « **Reply #39 on:** May 24, 2009, 08:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on May 24, 2009, 08:54:57 PM

Quote from: Rrulez on May 24, 2009, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on May 24, 2009, 08:49:32 PM
question what does this new territory class thing do?
Read the article.

wich one?

Have you seen the new 'Treasures of the Past' article?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:00:50 PM »

Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on May 24, 2009, 08:57:40 PM

Quote from: Rrulez on May 24, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
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Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on May 24, 2009, 08:49:32 PM
question what does this new territory class thing do?
Read the article.

wich one?
Have you seen the new 'Treasures of the Past' article?

oh artical.... right....

2 things. One, stop spamming. Two, when you try to correct someone's spelling, make sure you aren't the one misspelling the word.

artical.......

Quote from: Sean on May 24, 2009, 06:39:29 PM

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I gave out starter decks for free, traded insanely in their favor to build up their decks, and offered discounted pack prices to cover my overhead costs.
Do you want a pat on the back?

I've given away entire winnings at state and district tournaments so that younger players with much smaller card pools could make their decks better. I've given away hundreds of cards to children who otherwise wouldn't have played at all. I've mailed hundreds more cards across the country because somebody came on the board and asked for them. Do I get a pat on the back too?

Everyone! I don't see how this is about the new set and I don't think we need to have a war who has given out the most cards! That isn't the purpose of helping people learn about God via a card game.....

Sean · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:02:46 PM »

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You obviously have issues with the new set distribution, so I will let you wallow in your bitterness.

I think a better description would be sadness because I can't afford to buy the new set as it is being sold.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:04:32 PM »

It's just a woirldview arguement. Let them say what they want. WE all know in the end no ones mind will be changed, so I pray that Sean and YMT will hold the same respect for each otehr after as they did before.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:36:36 PM »

FYI, I *will* be selling the new cards as a full set, as well as individual cards. However, I cannot offer price quotes on the individual cards until I have a chance to do some figuring.

I will start accepting pre-orders for full sets NOW! The price for the full set is $90, which will include one of each of the new cards (60 cards total).

Shipping is $2 per order, as always, and I will have this available at Three Lions Gaming within half an hour. The cards will ship within 2 weeks of their official release!

www.threelionsgaming.com/store_packs.htm

Ken

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #44 on:** May 24, 2009, 09:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 24, 2009, 09:02:46 PM

I think a better description would be sadness because I can't afford to buy the new set as it is being sold.

That I can understand and sympathize with. I did not understand your ambivalence to Redemption being used as a ministry. You probably did not mean it the way it sounded, or perhaps I misunderstood your intentions, but I will continue to view Redemption for its greater purpose.

FWIW, I have no idea how I am going to afford the new set either. $:-\$

Quote from: Janissary on May 24, 2009, 09:04:32 PM

... so I pray that Sean and YMT will hold the same respect for each otehr after as they did before.

The fact that I disagree with Sean's perspective on Redemption's use as a ministry has nothing to do with him personally. I admit that I was frustrated with his response to my explanation for how I perceive Redemption, but I have no reason to lose respect for him as a person. I disagree with my wife in various situations, but I still love her more now than when I met her.

Not that my feelings for Sean are the same as for my wife, mind you.

JDS · « **Reply #45 on:** May 24, 2009, 10:09:48 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 24, 2009, 10:12:49 AM

Right now, I'm finding a really hard time justifying my purchase of any of the new set because I have every single card from previous booster pack sets, in triplicate at the least.

Law of dimishing return, IMO.

I personally really like the set, but if a player as devoted as Sean is having a 21st century breakdown, I wonder how long one can get by releasing greatest hits albums with a few new tracks.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #46 on:** May 25, 2009, 01:43:53 AM »

So Ken...is there a limit of how many sets you will sell for $90?

CactusRob · « **Reply #47 on:** May 25, 2009, 08:33:00 AM »

Just a few observations:

As has been cited the set will be somewhat expensive to collect but, not really too different from collecting all cards from FoOF or Priests. However for players who are building decks and not concerned with collecting, the trade options and singles markets should give you enough options to build your decks of choice. Even though I hope all 60 cards will be well received, I find it hard to imagine that any player will add more than 5 or 6 of the new cards to a particular T1 deck if that many and a multiple of that number to a T2 deck.

Second, some players with already large collections may have reason to complain since if they buy the cards as packaged they will get 13 older cards with 2 news cards. But again, since I have confidence in the secondary markets trading and selling singles, you will have other options. Moreover, new players will find these card boxes an excellent jump start on the game.

I think most of the real ministry is done by you fine ladies and gentlemen who are out on the front lines using our games to bring people into Christian fellowship. I appreciate the warms thoughts and support and always welcome your prayers that the Lord will guide me in the management of this company.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #48 on:** May 25, 2009, 10:18:26 AM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on May 25, 2009, 01:43:53 AM

So Ken...is there a limit of how many sets you will sell for $90?

Nope!

Quote from: CactusRob on May 25, 2009, 08:33:00 AM

Just a few observations:

As has been cited the set will be somewhat expensive to collect but, not really too different from collecting all cards from FoOF or Priests. However for players who are building decks and not concerned with collecting, the trade options and singles markets should give you enough options to build your decks of choice. Even though I hope all 60 cards will be well received, I find it hard to imagine that any player will add more than 5 or 6 of the new cards to a particular T1 deck if that many and a multiple of that number to a T2 deck.

Second, some players with already large collections may have reason to complain since if they buy the cards as packaged they will get 13 older cards with 2 news cards. But again, since I have confidence in the secondary markets trading and selling singles, you will have other options. Moreover, new players will find these card boxes an excellent jump start on the game.

I think most of the real ministry is done by you fine ladies and gentlemen who are out on the front lines using our games to bring people into Christian fellowship. I appreciate the warms thoughts and support and always welcome your prayers that the Lord will guide me in the management of this company.

Rob, I greatly appreciate the tremendous work that you have done in providing an excellent Christian game that is accessible to those with little funds and still enjoyable after many years! Thank you!

golgotha · « **Reply #49 on:** May 25, 2009, 05:37:10 PM »

I feel the same way about the distibution not being much to my liking. However, I also see ang agree that this will help new players to an extend and be good for trading. (again to an extent.) Sure the cards might lose some monitary value as more people are able to get more rares easily, but this helps new players, who might need better cards, and trading. So yeah, buying a box (or more) of the new set, prolly not a good idea for me as I will soon have all the cards I need from the previous sets and very few people to really trade with locally...But 3LG has fixed that for me an offered a full set for less that the cost of a box....which does work for me...works pretty well for me to be honest. I should really go place my pre-order today...but got a B-day party to go to for my sister.

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