Author Topic: Options to obtain the new set (Read 33678 times)

Gil Galad Elven King *Generic · « **Reply #50 on:** May 25, 2009, 06:37:53 PM »

I have almost every card, yet I LOVE the distribution for this set. You'll never hear me complaining about getting more Rare/Ultra Rare cards in a pack... I don't care if I have 50 of each

Ok, maybe if I had 50... but even with 2 - 3 boxes of Thesaurus (which is probably what I'm going to try to get), I'm sure I won't get 50 of each Rare/Ultra Rare.

Plus, not only are there shiny's, but there could be promos, autographed cards and original playtest cards?!?!?!?! Heck yes is what I have to say about that!

sk · « **Reply #51 on:** May 25, 2009, 07:48:13 PM »

I agree. I'd rather get some cards with high trade value rares guaranteed to be bundled in than a chance to get some junk rares. Besides, I'm for anything that will get trading to happen again. It kinda died down when everyone could get exactly what they wanted every time. Plus, it brings the price point lower for some of the students that YMT has previously pointed out as being unable to purchase the tins.

I just know that somebody somewhere that doesn't know the game will open up a pack, take the commons, and throw away a playtest card ("it doesn't look like the others"). Not that I've done that or anything... I mean, I'm not daft enough to throw out a King David promo because it doesn't match the other two in the board game...

lightningninja · « **Reply #52 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:22:14 PM »

Oh... and there's at least 20 cards that will not go into national ranking decks (unless you want to be original

), so you won't need all of them. A lot of people are excited about it, will buy them, have doubles, and then you can buy the few that work with your brigades. Everyone's happy!

Gabe · « **Reply #53 on:** May 26, 2009, 06:33:38 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on May 26, 2009, 06:22:14 PM

Oh... and there's at least 20 cards that will not go into national ranking decks (unless you want to be original ), so you won't need all of them. A lot of people are excited about it, will buy them, have doubles, and then you can buy the few that work with your brigades. Everyone's happy!

That's true, but everyone is going to be using the new [edited by R.O.S.E.S.] so those are going to be really hard to get.

Master KChief · « **Reply #54 on:** May 26, 2009, 09:16:01 PM »

Quote from: CactusRob on May 25, 2009, 08:33:00 AM

Second, some players with already large collections may have reason to complain since if they buy the cards as packaged they will get 13 older cards with 2 news cards. But again, since I have confidence in the secondary markets trading and selling singles, you will have other options.

actually, this will probably kill the secondary market for older, harder to obtain cards.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #55 on:** May 26, 2009, 09:26:13 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 26, 2009, 09:16:01 PM

actually, this will probably kill the secondary market for older, harder to obtain cards.

Which will put the cards into the hands of players rather than dealers. Woo-hoo!

"Power to the players." - GameStop

Master KChief · « **Reply #56 on:** May 26, 2009, 09:30:55 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 26, 2009, 09:26:13 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on May 26, 2009, 09:16:01 PM
actually, this will probably kill the secondary market for older, harder to obtain cards.

Which will put the cards into the hands of players rather than dealers. Woo-hoo!

"Power to the players." - GameStop

touche!

Bryon · « **Reply #57 on:** May 26, 2009, 09:44:14 PM »

It won't kill the market for two reasons:

1) These packs are being produced in limited quantities, and demand will likely be fairly high. I would be very surprised if they last longer than 2 years. After that, the prices will creep back up towards their current value. Look at what happened when the 10th anniversary tins were released. They each contained 3 Apostles rares and 3 Patriarchs rares. Players thought the prices of all those rare cards would drop to pennies, but it didn't happen, at least not in the long run. In the short run, the added availability benefits newer players.

2) Prices always adjust. Just because a price drops doesn't mean there isn't still a market for the card. Falling Away was still a desired card back when you could get one in every 11 packs of Women (sold at $2 per pack).

SirNobody · « **Reply #58 on:** May 26, 2009, 10:29:15 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Bryon on May 26, 2009, 09:44:14 PM

These packs are being produced in limited quantities, and demand will likely be fairly high. I would be very surprised if they last longer than 2 years.

Are you saying the printing run of the new set is significantly smaller than the printing run of previous sets?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Mageduckey · « **Reply #59 on:** May 26, 2009, 10:40:58 PM »

I hope not - I'd prefer to get an entire new set plus lots of rares, but first I have to find a job.

Anyone know of a good chain that accepts 15 yr. old males as workers?

Thanks!

P.S. Sorry for going "off topic" here - just wanted to see if there was a way for me to "obtain the new set" more easily).

Gabe · « **Reply #60 on:** May 26, 2009, 11:42:02 PM »

Quote from: Mageduckey on May 26, 2009, 10:40:58 PM

I hope not - I'd prefer to get an entire new set plus lots of rares, but first I have to find a job.

Anyone know of a good chain that accepts 15 yr. old males as workers?

Thanks!

P.S. Sorry for going "off topic" here - just wanted to see if there was a way for me to "obtain the new set" more easily).

Since you live in the midwest (NE?) I think that detasseling could be a good option for you. You can work for 2-3 weeks in July-August and make a decent amount of money for someone your age. It's hot, hard work but it's worth it when you get that paycheck.

Master KChief · « **Reply #61 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:30:57 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on May 26, 2009, 09:44:14 PM

It won't kill the market for two reasons:

1) These packs are being produced in limited quantities, and demand will likely be fairly high. I would be very surprised if they last longer than 2 years. After that, the prices will creep back up towards their current value. Look at what happened when the 10th anniversary tins were released. They each contained 3 Apostles rares and 3 Patriarchs rares. Players thought the prices of all those rare cards would drop to pennies, but it didn't happen, at least not in the long run. In the short run, the added availability benefits newer players.

2) Prices always adjust. Just because a price drops doesn't mean there isn't still a market for the card. Falling Away was still a desired card back when you could get one in every 11 packs of Women (sold at $2 per pack).

theres a difference between paying $15 for 6 rares/ur's and something that is more than likely a one time purchase and $5 for something that is collectible and takes numerous purchases to complete and the possibility of hitting 13 rares/ur's in each pack. i never saw people buying numerous tins just to harvest the rares or ultra rares, which is what will easily happen with this new set. with such an influx of readily available rares and ultras, the prices for those cards will take a dive. sorry, but its simple economics.

TheMarti · « **Reply #62 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:50:27 AM »

But as Bryon said, it would eventually stop falling.

Supply and demand. An ultra rare is still an ultra rare, even if you find it in another package. There were still so many of them made. Eventually, there will be no more. Even if there's several GoYS distributed through this, do you really think that it will drive the cost down that much? Sure, this may effect some lesser used rares (some of the Apostles rares, like the big-numbered Apostles come to mind), but the cards which are already high demand (GoYS, DoN, Wall) will continue to be high demand, they just may cost a dollar or two less.

~Marti

The Schaef · « **Reply #63 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:53:26 AM »

Some of my kids have been digging for a year and a half or more to find a DoN or a Wall. I doubt they're going to be as concerned about secondary market value.

Master KChief · « **Reply #64 on:** May 27, 2009, 08:59:39 AM »

im not debating the amount the cards will drop or whether little timmy will finally get his hands on a goys or don. its just that these ultra rares will not be as...well, ultra rare once they are easily plucked out of the new set. and for 5 bux a pop, a few more dollars than a regular pack? timmy can mow a few more lawns and easily obtain a good number of packs. this set is great for the newer crowd/not-so-rich, but bad for the long time collectors that already have everything.

The Schaef · « **Reply #65 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:09:04 AM »

The number of cards that were printed, are the number of cards that were printed. That has never changed. Whatever price point they eventually land at will be inevitable, whatever value they enjoy now is only because not as many of them have circulated YET.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #66 on:** May 27, 2009, 09:19:37 AM »

That was funny because Schaef actually has a guy named Timmy in his group...

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #67 on:** May 27, 2009, 12:04:11 PM »

we dont even know if there will even be such cards found in the packs(goys,destruction,ect.) and if they are- im sure traders will do their best to squeeze every penny out of them for the new set

Soundman2 · « **Reply #68 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:21:03 PM »

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the prices for those cards will take a dive. sorry, but its simple economics.

and the little kids and us who need an extra well not have to trade as much for a DoN wall GoyS.

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this set is great for the newer crowd/not-so-rich, but bad for the long time collectors that already have everything.

so? you well have more to trade with or build another deck with or a type 2 deck

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #69 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:49:00 PM »

That is building a type 2 with everything except treasures;p oh it hurts...agh

Soundman2 · « **Reply #70 on:** May 27, 2009, 04:07:51 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on May 27, 2009, 03:49:00 PM

That is building a type 2 with everything except treasures;p oh it hurts...agh

you can trade the extra stuff you get for more treasures. Or you can just go after 5 of that one or two cards that you need.

Master KChief · « **Reply #71 on:** May 27, 2009, 04:53:52 PM »

Quote from: Soundman2 on May 27, 2009, 02:21:03 PM

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this set is great for the newer crowd/not-so-rich, but bad for the long time collectors that already have everything.

so? you well have more to trade with or build another deck with or a type 2 deck

yes...yes, thats my silver lining! i swear, i have not seen another ccg reprint/rehash/rerelease/recycle as many cards as redemption does. it gets pretty old after awhile.

The Schaef · « **Reply #72 on:** May 27, 2009, 04:55:52 PM »

Well, Marvel vs. had like 17 different Wolverine cards, I don't know if it counts as rehashing or not, if you have a 5-drop versus a 7-drop with different powers.

Bryon · « **Reply #73 on:** May 27, 2009, 05:13:45 PM »

There were about 17 Frodos in LotR, too.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #74 on:** May 27, 2009, 05:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 27, 2009, 04:53:52 PM

i have not seen another ccg reprint/rehash/rerelease/recycle as many cards as redemption does. it gets pretty old after awhile.

I think this is for 2 main reasons. The first is that Redemption has a smaller market than other CCGs, and therefore hasn't sold out of all of their old released sets. This calls for creative marketing (tins, treasures) to keep getting retailers to stock this stuff and get it into players hands.

The second reason is that Rob wants his game to be available to people to play at the top levels without spending thousands of dollars building a deck. That means not banning cards, and keeping prices relatively low. This next set is entirely in keeping with that philosophy. It may mean that Redemption isn't the most lucrative game to collect. But at it's heart, Redemption is about playing, not collecting.

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