Author Topic: NFL Power Rankings and 1st quarter NFL discussion topics (Read 69802 times)

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #200 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:48:38 AM »

I guess I'm off to watch Charlie Brown now, thanks a lot STAMP

I agree, that was a pretty bad call by Lovie, I think he probably gets the ax after the season. - Maybe he can go take Tom Cable's Job.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #201 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:56:38 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 30, 2009, 11:45:58 AM

Lovie Smith,

It's 4th and inches. You are down by 17 points. Your best chance of winning is scoring points AND keeping the ball out of Favre's hands. Your team is 4-6. Your season is basically over if you lose. GO FOR IT!!!

Sincerely,
Someone with common sense

Flippin' idiot sends out the punting team. My Viking fan buddy and I high five, agree the game is over, and head to the kitchen to make a turkey sandwich.

We also enjoyed seeing the Manning face for a half.

Of course that decision would be very complicated given the fact that any attempt at a first down has to penetrate a wall of Williamses...But I agree, I was both surprised and relieved when I saw the punting unit come out.

In other news, how many DE's get called for illegal forward pass? Jared Allen does. I thought that it was absolutely hilarious, after I was done being horrified, thinking he might have just fumbled the ball.

The Guardian · « **Reply #202 on:** November 30, 2009, 05:01:18 PM »

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I agree, that was a pretty bad call by Lovie, I think he probably gets the ax after the season.

Actually, that's pretty unlikely because it would be an $11 million buy-out for the Bears to pay...I doubt Bears' ownership will be shelling out that much money (not to mention having to give the next coach a contract) to get rid of Smith.

The Schaef · « **Reply #203 on:** November 30, 2009, 07:53:37 PM »

I dunno, Notre Dame just paid $18 million to fire a .500 coach with the single best graduation rate in college football.

crustpope · « **Reply #204 on:** November 30, 2009, 08:53:11 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 30, 2009, 05:01:18 PM

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I agree, that was a pretty bad call by Lovie, I think he probably gets the ax after the season.

Actually, that's pretty unlikely because it would be an $11 million buy-out for the Bears to pay...I doubt Bears' ownership will be shelling out that much money (not to mention having to give the next coach a contract) to get rid of Smith.

How can you fire a coach who took a team to the superbowl just a few years ago with REX GROSSMAN as the QB? That in and of itself is probably the single greatest feat of coaching in the history of coaching!

all kidding aside, I think the pressure on coaches to achieve immediately is wrong. Coaching to make a team effective over the long term takes a long time to build.

The Schaef · « **Reply #205 on:** November 30, 2009, 10:27:21 PM »

I think it's worse in college football when coaches sometimes only get three years. It's happened multiple times at Notre Dame. It's only after five years that you really have all your own players in there, and no more excuses after that.

I imagine Rodriguez will keep his job at The State Up North, but the fact that people are calling for his head after two years is somewhat astonishing.

The Guardian · « **Reply #206 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:52:34 PM »

I think college football coaches have about 3 years to show progress. The U of MN is going through this right now as we have a coach whose teams have shown glimpses of being pretty good, but overall have been underachieving in his first 3 years. Most people seem to think next season will be his "make or break" season.

Sean · « **Reply #207 on:** November 30, 2009, 11:58:50 PM »

Lovey is a defensive coach. The Bears have gotten worse on defense the past 2-3 years. If you aren't able to get the team to perform well in the area you specialize in then I think there is plenty of reason to be fired.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #208 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:01:35 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on November 30, 2009, 11:52:34 PM

I think college football coaches have about 3 years to show progress. The U of MN is going through this right now as we have a coach whose teams have shown glimpses of being pretty good, but overall have been underachieving in his first 3 years. Most people seem to think next season will be his "make or break" season.

I agree with this, unless we get blown out or shut out in whichever Bowl game we play. Then I think Brewster has a legitimate chance of getting shown the door. He certainly won't have the support of the student body, which is already waning.

But back to the NFL: I believe the Saints just left no question that they are the best team in the NFL. The Colts had an impressive comeback yesterday, but the Saints completely dominated a really good team.

crustpope · « **Reply #209 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:02:20 AM »

There are still 2 undefeated teams left.

Colts
Saints

My rankings
1. Saints -Statement Game. They did it with the Run, they did it with the Air and they did it with the defense. The most complete team in the NFL
2. Vikings -Looking like one of the best teams in the Land. Definitely a more solid team than my #3
3. Colts -Dropped because of poor run offense and suspect defense. They are winning only because of #18.
4. San Diego- Doing Work out west. This is a team no one wants to play at this time.
5. Cincinnati- Sweeping the AFC North. Definitely looking to play for home field advantage and put pressure on the Colts.
6. Dallas - I am still not loving this team but they find ways to win
7. Arizona - It is only going to get tougher from here on out
8. Philadelphia even more *yawn* than Dallas. But they have been known to make runs late in the season....
9. Tennessee -This team is 5-0 and likely has the best chance to defeat the colts in the games that are left.
10. Green Bay - Defeating the Hapless lions doesnt win you many points...but it does get you into my top 10

Some Random Comments about this week:

Tennessee looked scarry good. This is a team that has been transformed. After a 6-0 start this team could go 10-6.

Drew Brees is now in a two way tie with Favre in my vote for League MVP. Manning is third ahead of Chris Johnson. Brees is playing the best football of his life. And that is saying something about a guy who threw for over 5000 yards just last year...

The Vikings are making me wonder how they ever got beat by ~~Denver~~ Pittsburg...How did that happen anyway?

The saints definitely have the easiest road to an undefeated season, but I have to say that the colts have the easiest road to the superbowl. The saints have to go through Minnesota while the Colts only have to go through Cincinnati (or San Diego) The two big Nemeses's's's (Nemesi?) for the Colts (pats and Steelers) may not even make the playoffs now... (and even if they do, they may not be able to make it out of their opening rounds...)

Does anyone think that with the coming NFL policy regarding Concussions that Having a team that depends LESS on the quarterback may be a good thing? Now all of a sudden the Miami Dolphins look like they are ahead of the curve in that regard...Do they even have a Quarterback in Miami?

I think Percy Harvin is the prohibitive favorite for ROY. But I also think that if Massaquoi had someone who could even complete a pass.....

Professoralstad · « **Reply #210 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:22:58 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on December 01, 2009, 12:02:20 AM

Tennessee looked scarry good. This is a team that has been transformed. After a 6-0 start this team could go 10-6.

That wouldn't seem very good.

But I know what you were obviously trying to say, and I agree.

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Drew Brees is now in a two way tie with Favre in my vote for League MVP. Manning is third ahead of Chris Johnson. Brees is playing the best football of his life. And that is saying something about a guy who threw for over 5000 yards just last year...

Favre, Brees, and Manning should just have some kind of Round Robin Rock, Paper, Scissors competition for the MVP.

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The Vikings are making me wonder how they ever got beat by Denver...How did that happen anyway?

It didn't happen. The Vikes lost to Pittsburgh because the refs called a nonexistent tripping call, and Favre had a few moments of being less than superb. It was a very winnable game for the Vikes up until the last few minutes.

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The saints definitely have the easiest road to an undefeated season, but I have to say that the colts have the easiest road to the superbowl. The saints have to go through Minnesota while the Colts only have to go through Cincinnati (or San Diego) The two big Nemeses's's's (Nemesi?) for the Colts (pats and Steelers) may not even make the playoffs now... (and even if they do, they may not be able to make it out of their opening rounds...)

I probably shouldn't comment for fear of a Jinx, but I'd have to say that I wouldn't like to see a Vikings/Packers playoff game. Beating a team three times in a season simply can't be easy, and considering how the Vikings would have gotten to that point (with Favre) it would be even more difficult I think.

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Does anyone think that with the coming NFL policy regarding Concussions that Having a team that depends LESS on the quarterback may be a good thing? Now all of a sudden the Miami Dolphins look like they are ahead of the curve in that regard...Do they even have a Quarterback in Miami?

They have several. Whether they have a STARTER is the question.

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I think Percy Harvin is the prohibitive favorite for ROY. But I also think that if Massaquoi had someone who could even complete a pass.....

Prohibitive? Every time I see him play (every week) I become more convinced that he's a shoe-in. Harvin and Rice are getting Vikings fans to relive the glory days of Carter and Moss.

crustpope · « **Reply #211 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:27:05 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on December 01, 2009, 12:22:58 AM

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The Vikings are making me wonder how they ever got beat by Denver...How did that happen anyway?

It didn't happen. The Vikes lost to Pittsburgh because the refs called a nonexistent tripping call, and Favre had a few moments of being less than superb. It was a very winnable game for the Vikes up until the last few minutes.

*Doh* I knew that, I just got all corn-fused about teams.... what a dolt I am.

ANd I dont know about Shoe-in for harvin. Isn't Ray Rice in Baltimore a Rookie? He is having a good year...

lightningninja · « **Reply #212 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:33:31 AM »

The stuff above in red is your words I didn't want to keep typing quote unquote.

1. Saints -Statement Game. They did it with the Run, they did it with the Air and they did it with the defense. The most complete team in the NFL
Yeah... they're good, nuff said.
2. Vikings -Looking like one of the best teams in the Land. Definitely a more solid team than my #3
Brett Favre was not in this analysis. Another GREAT game, getting higher and higher above Manning this season.

3. Colts -Dropped because of poor run offense and suspect defense. They are winning only because of #18.
Agreed. Even Marvin Harrison hasn't been playing as well.
4. San Diego- Doing Work out west. This is a team no one wants to play at this time.
Have you seen who they've beaten? Raiders, Chiefs, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos? Come on, they have to beat at least a team with a positive record (they did beat the Broncos and that was a great game).
5. Cincinnati- Sweeping the AFC North. Definitely looking to play for home field advantage and put pressure on the Colts.
What about them Bengals!?!?!?!!?
6. Dallas - I am still not loving this team but they find ways to win
Yeah.... they just don't seem good to me. I don't see them winning a big game, especially against some tough teams rising this season.
7. Arizona - It is only going to get tougher from here on out
Eh.... I don't see them going to the big game again.
8. Philadelphia even more *yawn* than Dallas. But they have been known to make runs late in the season....
They are a great comeback team and I wouldn't put it past them... I agree with this assesment.
9. Tennessee -This team is 5-0 and likely has the best chance to defeat the colts in the games that are left.
Vince Young for the win! Seriously... is it me or is he a good, consistent quarterback?

10. Green Bay - Defeating the Hapless lions doesnt win you many points...but it does get you into my top 10
HAHAHHAHAH. Thank you! Thank you! I knew they'd get on people's lists! And Driver is a beast! And that defense knows how to intercept!

Tennessee looked scarry good. This is a team that has been transformed. After a 6-0 start this team could go 10-6.
They had a 6-0 Start?

But I think they'll end 9-7. They will probably lose one with Young at the helm.

Drew Brees is now in a two way tie with Favre in my vote for League MVP. Manning is third ahead of Chris Johnson. Brees is playing the best football of his life. And that is saying something about a guy who threw for over 5000 yards just last year...
Yep. He's good. I'd still give it to Favre... but Brees isn't doing much wrong these days.

The Vikings are making me wonder how they ever got beat by Denver...How did that happen anyway?

Well they didn't get beat by Denver. That WOULD never happen.

But yeah, they're good.

The saints definitely have the easiest road to an undefeated season, but I have to say that the colts have the easiest road to the superbowl. The saints have to go through Minnesota while the Colts only have to go through Cincinnati (or San Diego) The two big Nemeses's's's (Nemesi?) for the Colts (pats and Steelers) may not even make the playoffs now... (and even if they do, they may not be able to make it out of their opening rounds...)
With a backup quarterback Steelers don't look too hot. And yes, Saints are not going to beat the Vikings... although that matchup scares me. Although I think Peterson would tear up the Saint's running game.

Does anyone think that with the coming NFL policy regarding Concussions that Having a team that depends LESS on the quarterback may be a good thing? Now all of a sudden the Miami Dolphins look like they are ahead of the curve in that regard...Do they even have a Quarterback in Miami?
Rule? I must have missed this. Yes, Miami has a quarterback. His name is Ricky Williams. He WILL get a throwing touchdown, mark my words. They should get Tomlinson though, he had a great quarterbacking season in the day (which was a Wednesday by the way).

Professoralstad · « **Reply #213 on:** December 01, 2009, 12:49:30 AM »

As a receiver, Percy's got 602 yards and 5 TD's. As a kick returner, he averages 29.8 return yards, and has two touchdowns. He's even rushed a few times, and averages 8.3 yards per carry. So many of his catches have been simply unbelievable, and he is very hard to bring down after the catch.

Also, I just checked, and Ray Rice is a second year, though he is indeed having a great season. I know he was a nightmare for the Vikes in our near miss victory. I guess I haven't heard of any other rookies who are having such an outstanding season. Of course I'm naturally biased as a hard core Vikings fan, but I think my argument is solid.

The Guardian · « **Reply #214 on:** December 01, 2009, 01:08:55 AM »

Barring injury, I don't foresee anyone overtaking Harvin for Offensive ROY.

I'm biased, but I've also heard this from most of the football commentators--I believe Minn is a more complete team than NO. MN can beat you through the air AND the running game. I'm not sure how the Saints would do IF someone managed to shut down their pass attack (purely hypothetical, but that's the beauty of analysis). Clearly the Saints have a better run game than say the Colts, but I'm not sure the run game could carry the Saints against a quality opponent. Furthermore, I believe the Vikings defense and special teams are better all around than the Saints. Reggie Bush is amazing (as he showed the last time the Saints and Vikes played), but obviously MN will have learned their lesson from last season. Saints kicker missed a <40 yard FG tonight (in a dome). Harvin is electric on kick-offs and the field position game is vital in a match-up between two great teams. Defensively, Antoine Winfield's injury and missed game action could be one of the best things to happen to the Vikes as they will have 5 cornerbacks (when Winfield returns) with extensive game experience, which could prove huge in a potential match-up with the Saints. Vikes also have the premier D-linemen who can disrupt the passing attack of Brees and Co. (as the Giants showed the Pats a couple years ago).

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I probably shouldn't comment for fear of a Jinx, but I'd have to say that I wouldn't like to see a Vikings/Packers playoff game. Beating a team three times in a season simply can't be easy, and considering how the Vikings would have gotten to that point (with Favre) it would be even more difficult I think.

Contrary to popular belief, this isn't actually the case. Statistically, a team that beats another team twice in the regular season beats them in the play-offs more often than not. That being said, one of the last times it happened was when GB beat the Vikes twice and then lost in the play-offs to them--ergo why stats can be thrown out the window sometimes.

STAMP · « **Reply #215 on:** December 01, 2009, 09:33:57 AM »

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and Favre had a few moments of being less than superb.

Hopefully for the Vikings there aren't a few more moments, like there were between 2007-2009.

If anything I'm sure there was at least an eyebrow-raise from Favre last night if he watched what happened to Brady. I think he'll be studying that film a time or two.

crustpope · « **Reply #216 on:** December 01, 2009, 10:10:39 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on December 01, 2009, 12:33:31 AM

3. Colts -Dropped because of poor run offense and suspect defense. They are winning only because of #18.
Agreed. Even Marvin Harrison hasn't been playing as well.

Yeah, Marvin is really stinking for us this year. Ever notice how he never shows up in the stat line and never gets a highlight on SportsCenter? But then again that could be because he isnt playing for us this year...

Quote from: lightningninja on December 01, 2009, 12:33:31 AM

4. San Diego- Doing Work out west. This is a team no one wants to play at this time.
Have you seen who they've beaten? Raiders, Chiefs, Raiders, Chiefs, Broncos? Come on, they have to beat at least a team with a positive record (they did beat the Broncos and that was a great game).

I understand this...but who do you put in this position..(wait for it...) Dont say the Pack because they have been just as spotty. At least the Chargers are leading their division at the moment...

And to just get a disussion started on ROY

Pierre Garcon has a similar stat line to Harvin with 574 yards and 4 TD's Harvin exceeds him in the Catch to Targeted Ratio and doesnt have any kick return yards but otherwise he does have some similar stats...im just sayin....

STAMP · « **Reply #217 on:** December 01, 2009, 11:11:40 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on December 01, 2009, 10:10:39 AM

Pierre Garcon has a similar stat line to Harvin with 574 yards and 4 TD's Harvin exceeds him in the Catch to Targeted Ratio and doesnt have any kick return yards but otherwise he does have some similar stats...im just sayin....

But he's French.

lightningninja · « **Reply #218 on:** December 01, 2009, 01:37:28 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on December 01, 2009, 10:10:39 AM

Yeah, Marvin is really sucking for us this year. Ever notice how he never shows up in the stat line and never gets a highlight on SportsCenter? But then again that could be because he isnt playing for us this year...

Haha I meant Reggie Wayne.

And Percy Harvin wouldn't have his stats and be elligable for rookie of the year if it weren't for Brett Favre. Just saying.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #219 on:** December 01, 2009, 03:12:04 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on December 01, 2009, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: crustpope on December 01, 2009, 10:10:39 AM
Yeah, Marvin is really sucking for us this year. Ever notice how he never shows up in the stat line and never gets a highlight on SportsCenter? But then again that could be because he isnt playing for us this year...
Haha I meant Reggie Wayne.

And Percy Harvin wouldn't have his stats and be elligable for rookie of the year if it weren't for Brett Favre. Just saying.

and I suppose AP wouldn't either. honestly, Brett Favre isn't so good that he makes the rest of his team good. he's great, and he's got a couple of great players to finish the job.

lightningninja · « **Reply #220 on:** December 01, 2009, 08:57:23 PM »

Sidney Rice: 369 Yards in 2007, 141 Yards in 2008, already has over 900 yards this season.

Their tight end has a similar progression. Adrian Peterson is the only one who's stats haven't improved because he doesn't get to run as much.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #221 on:** December 01, 2009, 11:33:09 PM »

Here's my power chart. Explanation on for those on top.

1. Colts - I can't find a way to bet against Peyton Manning. And Bill Belichek agrees. That's what people really missed about the call he made. He was scared of giving Peyton a 70 yard drive with a minute left. He had to do anything in his power to not give that man the ball. Manning is too good to be bet against at this point.

2. Vikings - In my opinion, they're far and away the most complete team as long as the Favre throws like this. The question is how long can it last?

3. Saints - I don't really think there this good, but I can't argue with 11-0. Besides, who else would go here?

4. Chargers - They play in a weak division, and they take advantage of it. Rivers is a top 3 quarterback.

5. Cincinnati - When you can run the ball with Larry Johnson, you must be respected.

6. Philadelphia (pending injury reports) - If Westbrook and Jackson can both get on the field within the next week or two, your looking at what is, simply, the single most explosive offense in the league.

7. Denver - They're typically in the game because they're defense is outstanding. Strong defense can make up for a lackluster offense in this case.

8. San Fransisco - This looks ridiculous, but I have faith in Frank Gore and Smith to Davis connection.

9. Titans - How long can the magic last? Plently long when the gameplan is Chris Johnson 25 touches.

10. Steelers - Once Ben returns, they will win. This is a good team held back by questionable play calling.

11. Dallas - Tony Romo isn't a December quarterback. Prove me wrong?

12. New England - Mark my words, the dynasty is crumbling away.

13. Arizona - Warner seems timeless. Will the concussion affect him though?

14. Baltimore - This might be the most inconsistant team I've ever seen. They're so much better than 6-5.

15. Houston - They just have too many offensive weapons, but they can't win every shootout unfortunately.

16. Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers is good, but they couldn't play with thier rival and best compitition. They looked completely outclassed.

17. NYG - This team will come around. They just need a Redskins game.

18. NYJ - It's a shame they can't help Sanchez to succeed more. There's some real potential here though.

19. Jags - I just plain out don't like David Garrard. I've never been sold on him. MJD is a beast though.

20. Atlanta - Turner and Ryan could be out for awhile it seems. Ouch.

21. Miami - No Brown or Pennington equals no playoffs.

22-32. Who cares, most of these teams are hopelessly terrible anyway. Bears are 32 though. Just because.

STAMP · « **Reply #222 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:11:59 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on December 01, 2009, 11:33:09 PM

8. San Fransisco - This looks ridiculous, but I have faith in Frank Gore and Smith to Davis connection.

The Faith is strong in this one.

The Guardian · « **Reply #223 on:** December 02, 2009, 01:04:59 AM »

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Eagles...the single most explosive offense in the league.

Are you serious??? New Orleans is clearly the most explosive offense in the NFL.

Eagles stats:

Category/NFL Rank
Scoring/7th
Yards per game/11th
Passing yards per game/11th
Rushing yards per game/18th

Even if the Eagles were perfectly healthy, I put at least 5 teams above them in terms of offensive capability.

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Pierre Garcon has a similar stat line to Harvin with 574 yards and 4 TD's Harvin exceeds him in the Catch to Targeted Ratio and doesnt have any kick return yards but otherwise he does have some similar stats...im just sayin....

Which is why I have no problem with Garcon being the runner-up Off. RoY

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #224 on:** December 02, 2009, 03:40:44 PM »

I am more scared of the Eagles offense than I ever will be of the Saints offense. When fully healthy, they have a a more mobile quarterback, a more consistant single threat from the backfield, two burner wide recievers, and a great tight end. The saints have the bets pocket passer in the game, a 3 man committee in the backfield, and then a bunch of misfits at the wide reciever spots (excepting Colston) who are good because of Brees, not vice verse.

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