Author Topic: NFL Power Rankings and 1st quarter NFL discussion topics (Read 69009 times)

crustpope · « **Reply #100 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM »

There are 2 undefeated teams left.

Colts
Saints

My rankings
1. Saints (These Saints are more like Superheros!)
2. Colts (would like to see more out of the running game. I think it will improve greatly when Donald Brown gets back)
3. Vikings (still Scarry good)
4. Pitsburgh (WOW, What a dismantling of the Broncos!)
5. Cincinnati (yeah, I think they are that good after sweeping the Ravens. If they can sweep Pittsburg, they go straight to #3)
6. Dallas (Gutsy win over the division rival sunday!)
7. New England - (Looked Vulnerable against Miami on Sunday)
8. Denver - (2 in a row is bad news. Maybe the NFL has Denver figured out?)
9. Philadelphia - (Tough Loss to Dallas but still a tough team to beat...unless you are the Raiders..)
10. San Diego- (gaining ground on Denver...)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #101 on:** November 10, 2009, 04:37:21 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM

7. New England - (Looked Vulnerable against Miami on Sunday)

Spoken like a true Colts fan.

crustpope · « **Reply #102 on:** November 10, 2009, 06:47:55 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 10, 2009, 04:37:21 PM

Quote from: crustpope on November 10, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
7. New England - (Looked Vulnerable against Miami on Sunday)

Spoken like a true Colts fan.

You know it. Hey I have been giving them love earlier in the season. I had them ranked as high as 4th or 5th...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #103 on:** November 10, 2009, 07:51:56 PM »

However, it would be like me saying that the Colts looked vulnerable because they only beat Houston thanks to a missed 42-yd FG. The problem with that logic is that Houston is a division rival. Likewise, Jacksonville's narrow miss against the Colts could have given the misperception that the Colts were vulnerable.

At every level and in every sport, division rivals are the most dangerous. No matter how good your team is compared to theirs, when you play in the division, you had better bring your best game. More upsets happen in the division (or conference for NCAA). At the very least, the games are closer and harder fought.

In the NFL, division teams play twice a year. That kind of exposure leads to better preparation, especially on spur-of-the-moment decisions. Couple that with players who have longevity and your opponents will eventually find a way to beat you.

crustpope · « **Reply #104 on:** November 11, 2009, 11:28:07 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 10, 2009, 07:51:56 PM

At every level and in every sport, division rivals are the most dangerous.

I would agree with that, but contrary to my comment, NE's drop in my opinion wasnt so much that they looked vulnerable against Miami ( I just had to make some comment about them because I had for everyone else) But it was the Wins by the teams of those I placed above them. Cinci's win over Ravens was huge, Pitt's dismantling of denver was also huge. probably the only question mark would be whether I should put Dallas above NE. They all played division rivals (except Pitt and denver) but in neither of those games did the winner ever struggle to win. SO that is why I ranked them as I did.

Feel free to disagree if you want, that is just how this colts fan sees it

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #105 on:** November 11, 2009, 11:34:24 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on October 25, 2009, 06:33:35 PM

Peterson completely emasculated unfortunate Steelers Corner William Gay. Wow.

you sir, have won the thread. most epic thing I've ever seen in football.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #106 on:** November 11, 2009, 11:36:49 AM »

So did anyone notice the symmetry of the NFC North? Beautiful isn't it?

Team W L
Vikings 7 1
Packers 4 4
Bears 4 4
Lions 1 7

STAMP · « **Reply #107 on:** November 11, 2009, 01:28:05 PM »

Three of the four NFC divisions are comfortably led by a team that has never won the Super Bowl, FWIW.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #108 on:** November 11, 2009, 03:28:13 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on November 11, 2009, 01:28:05 PM

Three of the four NFC divisions are comfortably led by a team that has never won the Super Bowl, FWIW.

In direct contrast to the AFC, where 3 of the four divisions are led by a team that has won a Super Bowl since 1999, and only one division led by a team that hasn't won one.

crustpope · « **Reply #109 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:36:27 AM »

There are still 2 undefeated teams left.

Colts
Saints

My rankings
1. Colts (Peyton Manning is my Hero!)
2. Saints (Not as impressive against St. Louis as I expected...)
3. Vikings (Impressive Drubbing of...the Lions)
4. Cincinnati (Sweeping the Steelers and the Ravens? They have a Stranglehold on the AFC North!)
5. New England (Tough Loss to my Colts, but hang this one on Bill, not on Brady.)
6. Pittsburg (Tough loss to the Bengals but lets see how they bounce back...)
7. San Diego (I think they are going to win the Division..Again!)
8. Dallas- (Starting to slip. They were dominated in a game they should have won.)
9. Denver - (3 in a row is VERY bad news....)
10. Tennesee - (Yeah, what is a 3-6 team doing here...Well They are a different team now that Vince Young is at the Helm..In my book this team is 3-0)

Some Random Comments about this week:

I am serious about Tennessee. This team is a totally different team and I would not be surprised if they BEAT Indianapolis in two weeks. Tennessee always plays us tough and they scare me now. If they beat Houston Next week then they have to merit SERIOUS consideration as a quality team.

Where are the NY Giants?... they have quietly gone the way of the buffalo...

Speaking of buffalo, that team is melting before our very eyes. It is such a tragedy too because TO was suppose to save them..

I think the list speaks for itself when it says that the AFC is DOMINATING the NFC at this point. The saints are undefeated, but as an Indianapolis Fan, I fear Minnesota more than I fear New Orleans...

Speaking of New Orleans, I think they have the best shot of going undefeated this year. The rest of their season is cake. Could it be possible for us to get TWO undefeated teams to the Superbowl this year? That would be somethign wouldnt it. Then we could tell those 72 Dolphins to get over themselves because ONE of them is gonna finish the regular season AND win the superbowl with a better record than them!

Speaking of the Dolphins, That Wildcat is awfully fun to watch and I am glad that more teams are starting to pick it up..

I live in Cincinnati, but I still have a hard time believing that the bengals are this Good. They are going to contend for Home field advantage and if you can believe it, they would be the #2 seed behind Undefeaded Indianapolis if the playoffs were held today (ABOVE both Denver AND New England). After so many heartbreaking seasons the town is Giddy over the sucess this team is having. That coupled with University of Cincinnati Football makes this neck of the woods pretty darn good in the world of Football.

Adrian Peterson is SOOO good. Now if he could only keep his hands on the ball.... His stats would be Criminal.

How about those Colts? Grinding out yet another Gutsy win over the Hated arch rival Patriots. To be fair I have to thank Bill Bellichek for throwing the game for us. If he punted on that last drive, we might not have won. Peyton is still Peyton, but I will take Peyton and 30 yards to score a TD over Peyton and 70 yards to score a TD any day.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #110 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:48:01 AM »

How about my Redskins and the fake field goal and fake punt on the same play that resulted in a TD?

Kirk

STAMP · « **Reply #111 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:40:41 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 16, 2009, 01:36:27 AM

It is such a tragedy too because TO was suppose to save them..

Time outs won't save you if you call the wrong play...

The Guardian · « **Reply #112 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:42:11 PM »

NO still has to play New England, right? They also have one game left against Atlanta, and if St. Louis exposed some weaknesses in the Saints, you know Atlanta can too.

Of the games left for my Vikings, Cincinnati is definitely a worrisome game.

Tennessee is looking better but they still have much to prove after the disastrous start.

Does Belichek make that call against any other QBs in the league or is it just Peyton? Favre and Rivers come to mind as potential candidates.

crustpope · « **Reply #113 on:** November 16, 2009, 01:44:27 PM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on November 16, 2009, 03:48:01 AM

How about my Redskins and the fake field goal and fake punt on the same play that resulted in a TD?

Kirk

That was a gutsy play call that caught them totally off guard.

btw, Today the courts rejected an appeal of a lawsuit by native americans against the redskins for the trademark on their name and logo.

AS a redskin fan what do you think about the issues with that? Do you agree with the team or the Native American groups or do you see some middle ground?

lightningninja · « **Reply #114 on:** November 16, 2009, 02:51:14 PM »

HOW ABOUT THEM BENGALS!?!!?!?!? I will keep saying this until they go at the top of anyone's list.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #115 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:50:00 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 16, 2009, 01:36:27 AM

To be fair I have to thank Bill Bellichek for throwing the game for us. If he punted on that last drive, we might not have won.

Patriots fans sentiments exactly. Kudos to the Colts for getting it done, but that 4th down call garnered a collective gasp throughout the New England states.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #116 on:** November 16, 2009, 03:58:32 PM »

I like the call personally. The Patriots hadn't been stopping the Colts all night long - Tom Brady thinks (And Bill does too) That he's the best QB in the league, The very same play that failed on 4th and 2 had been working for them well all night long, And If Bill hadn't wasted his timeouts earlier he would have been fine - It's my opinion from all the replays I've seen that Faulk had control beyond the line - And that's the real problem with the play - WHY ARE YOU THROWING TO FAULK ON 4th AND TWO!!! Iso Moss on the edge let him run a double move and go deep, Run the fastest player on your team (Welker) on a slant (The Pack is amazing at this play), Get it to Maroney on a screen - The Pats are a very good screen team. Any one of those options is better than throwing to faulk at the line on 4th and the game.

crustpope · « **Reply #117 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:03:59 PM »

I think it was the most respect that Belichek has shown to Manning in all their games against one another.

But I dissagree, Punting the ball and making Manning drive 70 Yards would have been the better call. The patriots had gone Three and out a lot in the 4th quarter. The Colts had them dialed in. But on the other side of the ball, you would force Manning to drive 70 yards with rookie recievers who had several dropped passes and a weak run game. Manning is great, but even he struggled with those factors last night.

Garcon was targeted 11 times and only caught 3 of them. If he has even caught 2-3 more, the game would not have been so close and several of those drives would have continued for the colts, but he did drop them and the drives stalled.

I was honestly worried that Manning wouldnt have been able to drive the distance for the score.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #118 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:16:42 PM »

Even if the play had been working earlier, that would only mean that the defense would eventually be ready for it. Too much of a good thing and all....

The bottom line was a mixture of arrogance and fear. However, as much as fear of what Peyton could do was a part of it, we're talking our own 30 yard line! This was mostly about arrogance that Brady could get it done. It's the same arrogance that makes you think it's OK to video tape your opponents' practices.

As a die-hard Patriots fan, I am over Bill B. He needs to go.

lightningninja · « **Reply #119 on:** November 16, 2009, 04:46:06 PM »

Yeah... I've basically lost all respect for the Patriots from all the hype of Brady being the best (Brett Favre is 40 and has better stats than him), looking at other team's formations, and... yeah, those things are pretty much it. Did I mention that I don't like Brady?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #120 on:** November 16, 2009, 05:33:45 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on November 16, 2009, 04:46:06 PM

Yeah... I've basically lost all respect for the Patriots from all the hype of Brady being the best (Brett Favre is 40 and has better stats than him), looking at other team's formations, and... yeah, those things are pretty much it. Did I mention that I don't like Brady?

Did you factor in that Brady is returning from a devestating Knee Injury and isn't benefitting from arguably the best single player in the league?

STAMP · « **Reply #121 on:** November 16, 2009, 06:22:16 PM »

Sounds like most of you have been programmed by the media, which includes former players and coaches. I believe Belichek weighed the odds and made the decision that would give his team the best chance to win. It is my opinion that NFL coaches are mostly "wussies". They should be going for it on 4th down much more often.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #122 on:** November 16, 2009, 06:28:12 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on November 16, 2009, 01:44:27 PM

btw, Today the courts rejected an appeal of a lawsuit by native americans against the redskins for the trademark on their name and logo.

When was the last time thousands of people were cheering for any other native American group? I don't understand the problem here. If people were trying to associate native Americans with something negative, then maybe they'd have a gripe. But if they are being honored by having a professional football team after them, then I don't see where the issue is.

Some might say that it is still derogatory to even refer to native Americans as "red" skins, and that is probably true. However, they aren't really calling native Americans Redskins. They are calling the football players on the team Redskins (and I doubt if any of them are actually native American). Personally, I think it would be more offensive to the players in Tampa Bay who are all called Buccaneers. There's nothing wrong with having "red" skin, but it is morally wrong to be a pirate.

I guess most of all I think the whole thing is silly. If someone called an NFL team the Redemption Nerds, it wouldn't bother me. Sure it is using a derogatory term to describe a group that I am identified with. However, I would either be honored or completely not care. I wouldn't take them to court.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #123 on:** November 16, 2009, 06:37:17 PM »

I think that any Christians that play for the Duke Blue Devils or the Wake Forest Demon Deacons should sue.

The Guardian · « **Reply #124 on:** November 16, 2009, 06:55:43 PM »

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It is my opinion that NFL coaches are mostly "wussies". They should be going for it on 4th down much more often.

I agree to some extent with this, but there's so many factors to weigh. First off it really depends on the style of your team. If you have a shutdown defense and lackluster offense, then you're better off punting and playing the field position battle. If you have a shutdown defense and powerful offense then you should go for it more often than you don't. If you have a weak defense but really good offense, then it depends on where exactly you are on the field. Then there's factors such as field goal range, the strength of the opposing team, the score, time left in the game, distance for 1st down, momentum of the game, home or away, etc.

I would like to see my team go for it on 4th down more often than they do. However, I also believe that Belicheck made the wrong call in that situation.

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