Author Topic: NFL Power Rankings and 1st quarter NFL discussion topics (Read 69763 times)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #50 on:** October 19, 2009, 07:40:33 PM »

Just a word of warning to Vikings fans:

Jets fans were just as excited last year at this time as you are now. Favre has yet to prove he can go the distance at his age. He may yet lead this team to the SuperBowl, which is fine by me since I am an AFC guy. But I thought last year's second half should be kept in mind before the Viking accolades are etched in stone and on the side of your personal vehicles.

FWIW, Doug Flutie's memorable pass for Boston College was a frozen rope.

STAMP · « **Reply #51 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:36:15 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on October 19, 2009, 07:19:16 PM

I guess you just have a different definition of a Hail Mary pass, but Favre saw the receiver and threw it to the exact spot where the receiver was going.

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If thrown by someone named Favre, Montana, Marino, Brady, etc., it's called a planned, frozen rope?!?

If thrown by someone named Tavaris, Alex Smith, Cleo Lemon, Tony Eason, etc., it's called a Hail Mary?!?

I'm not sure where you got this from, but it doesn't matter. I would say the same thing if Shaun Hill makes that play...we just know he won't because he's not that good...

What I was getting at is that when good QB's throw into triple-coverage, generally football analysts will say it is foolish but follow that with a "that's why so-and-so is a great QB." When a bad QB does it, he's just throwing up a prayer.

And speaking of bad QBs, Shaun Hill doesn't even deserve to carry the cleats of Jeff Garcia, let alone Young or even Montana. So there is something we agree on.

The Schaef · « **Reply #52 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:48:00 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on October 20, 2009, 09:36:15 AM

What I was getting at is that when good QB's throw into triple-coverage, generally football analysts will say it is foolish but follow that with a "that's why so-and-so is a great QB." When a bad QB does it, he's just throwing up a prayer.

Just went back and watched this play again. The pass was a "whopping" 32 yards downfield, and you see Favre set two or three times before unleashing the ball. Lewis had single coverage coming across the back of the end zone; the other DB was out of the play and no one else was close enough to even make a play on the ball. Last-second post plays are low-percentage but not always desperation heaves. This was a well-thrown ball that hit a receiver in stride and by no means was he triple-covered.

Not really invested in this emotionally one way or the other, just looking at what's on the field on that particular day, and it's just Favre playing backyard ball the way he's done his whole life. You go out ten yards and break for the sideline, you do a buttonhook at the tree, and you cut across the back of the end zone.

STAMP · « **Reply #53 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:01:08 PM »

Gee, thanks. I AM emotionally invested. Have been for 14 years. Favre has broken every 49er fan's heart. So when you said you went back to watch it again I decided it was time I did, too. Actually I ended up watching it about two dozen times. (The doctor says I must get by the denial stage.) You're right. It's not triple-coverage. It ended up being a very poor double-coverage as a result of playing a two-deep zone. I think I originally thought it was triple-coverage because I saw three gold uniforms. But one was just an Event Staff employee, who by the way had Lewis covered better than the 49ers.

I'm a 49er fan so I will forever say Favre was lucky on that play. I don't care how good he is and if he is a Hall of Famer. The throw was good. I will give you that. But the overall play was lucky. Justin Smith was an inch away from grabbing Favre's jersey. Another lineman almost sacked him before the throw. And Lewis was an inch from going out of bounds....

Crud. I really need something to get me back in a good mood.

Oh yeah. 49ers are 5-0 in Super Bowls. Vikings are 0-4. I'm starting to feel better!

And Mary chose Ted instead of Favre. WOO HOO! I feel great, now!!

crustpope · « **Reply #54 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:17:28 PM »

Given last nights game, I am torn as to where to put the broncos, but I will continue to leave them at 3. I still think that they can be beaten, especially by the Colts or the Saints because their Offense is a little shakey and aside from two spectacular special teams plays, they would have lost, but their defense is FOR REAL. they are lights out in the second half.

1. Colts
2. Saints (Oh dear, oh dear, oh Dear, My what a show on Sunday)
3. Broncos (we will see what tonight brings. A tough division game @ San Diego tonight!)
4. Vikings (dropped a bit due to the Sunday Scare)
5. Patriots

I am SOOOOOOO looking forward to week 10 Colts and Patriots @ Lucas Oil Stadium. That will be FUN and a Sunday night game. After that, assuming that the Colts and the Broncos continue on their tear, it will all come to a head in week 14. That one is 1:00 on CBS.

The Schaef · « **Reply #55 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:25:05 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on October 20, 2009, 01:01:08 PM

But the overall play was lucky. Justin Smith was an inch away from grabbing Favre's jersey. Another lineman almost sacked him before the throw. And Lewis was an inch from going out of bounds....

... so a Hail Mary pass is defined not by the distance or whether it's lobbed into a crowd or the coverage, but whether he's almost sacked?

If that's the case, Derek Anderson threw like 25 Hail Mary passes the other day.

Bryon · « **Reply #56 on:** October 20, 2009, 02:12:05 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 19, 2009, 07:40:33 PM

Just a word of warning to Vikings fans:

Jets fans were just as excited last year at this time as you are now. Favre has yet to prove he can go the distance at his age. He may yet lead this team to the SuperBowl, which is fine by me since I am an AFC guy. But I thought last year's second half should be kept in mind before the Viking accolades are etched in stone and on the side of your personal vehicles.

Yeah, the Vikings can have September and October. November 1 is the day the Viking ship springs a major leak.

STAMP · « **Reply #57 on:** October 20, 2009, 02:24:26 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on October 20, 2009, 01:25:05 PM

... so a Hail Mary pass is defined not by the distance or whether it's lobbed into a crowd or the coverage, but whether he's almost sacked?

If that's the case, Derek Anderson threw like 25 Hail Mary passes the other day.

Yeah, and the corollary is that QBs like Dave Krieg had many Hail Mary passes that were thwarted.

The Guardian · « **Reply #58 on:** October 20, 2009, 02:39:36 PM »

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Yeah, the Vikings can have September and October. November 1 is the day the Viking ship springs a major leak.

Playing at Pitt worries me a lot more than playing at GB...

Did you hear the Packers offensive line is going as ghosts for Halloween? Costumes won't be too difficult since anyone can run through them already...

soul seeker · « **Reply #59 on:** October 20, 2009, 03:16:50 PM »

I guess I'll chime in with the unbiased (I don't have a team) and limited knowledge (don't have miles of statistics to cloud my judgment) opinion.

First: I don't know how, what seems like, all of you guys are still pick Colts at #1 (well, I know why Matt is) when it is clear that the Saints are. They are thwomping both the good and bad teams by double digits. Drew Brees is single-handledly winning Fantasy games. So here is my realistic, unbiased lineup:

1. Saints
2. Colts
3a. Vikings (simply because the offense is better than Denver, but I wouldn't mind seeing them play.)
3b. Denver
5. Florida Gators (

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CMO Falcon · « **Reply #60 on:** October 20, 2009, 03:35:00 PM »

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But one was just an Event Staff employee, who by the way had Lewis covered better than the 49ers.

I ended up leaned over laughing when I read this part. Well played sir.

The Guardian · « **Reply #61 on:** October 20, 2009, 03:44:41 PM »

Anyone know where I can watch that replay from a different angle? The ones on Youtube are all the same--I'd like to see Lewis running the route.

lightningninja · « **Reply #62 on:** October 20, 2009, 05:21:24 PM »

I told you guys that Broncos were legit!

crustpope · « **Reply #63 on:** October 25, 2009, 04:42:47 PM »

There are 9 6 undefeated/winless teams left. Who among them will be the last to keep their perfect/imperfect season going?

The Haves
Colts
Broncos
~~Vikings~~
~~Giants~~
Saints

The Have Nots...
~~Chiefs~~
Titans
Buccaneers
Rams

Titans still have to play and I havent seen how the saints are doing

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #64 on:** October 25, 2009, 05:38:51 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on October 25, 2009, 04:42:47 PM

Saints

Look like they're going to be beaten by the dolphins.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #65 on:** October 25, 2009, 05:48:24 PM »

How do you beat the Giants one week and then go down big to the dolphins the next?

PARITY!!!

Except that the Fins blew it! Thanks alot Miami.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #66 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:33:35 PM »

Peterson completely emasculated unfortunate Steelers Corner William Gay. Wow.

crustpope · « **Reply #67 on:** October 25, 2009, 07:52:34 PM »

1. Colts
2. Broncos
3. Patriots
4. Saints
5. Steelers
6. Vikings
7. Giants
8. Bengals
9. Texans
10. Packers

That is how I see them. True The Saints are still undefeated, but they should have handeled Miami much better than that. Plus I think an easy argument can be made that the Patriots of the first three games are not the Patriots that have been playing since the first 4 weeks. It is as if Brady woke up in the last two games.

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #68 on:** October 25, 2009, 08:28:47 PM »

I disagree about the Patriots.

Tom Brady "woke up" the past two games? They played the Titans and the Bucs, two teams that are basically a joke. The Bucs are decent, but unitl Brady does that well against a real team, I wouldn't put the Patriots in the Top 5.

1. Colts
2. Broncos
3. Vikings
4. Steelers
5. Saints
6. Giants
7. Patriots
8. Packers
9. Bengals
10. Texans

lightningninja · « **Reply #69 on:** October 25, 2009, 10:15:13 PM »

1. Vikings
2. Saints
3. Broncos
4. Colts
5. Packers
6. Bengals
7. Steelers
8. Giants
9. Texans
10. Packers

Yes, I said packers twice, cause I couldn't think of anyone for tenth... not sure about that slot. I don't think the Vikings loss makes a big impact on my rankings; they played a great game and made one costly mistake that costed them the game.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #70 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:21:37 AM »

Not to mention awful reffing.

The Guardian · « **Reply #71 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:07:40 AM »

Vikings outplayed the Steelers and the Steelers got lucky. I grant that the Steelers made a great defensive play on the fumble return but it should have never happened because that tripping call was ridiculous.

The INT return was just bad luck, the ball fell in the guys arms and all our receivers were downfield blocking for the screen pass.

I'm upset, but I'm not worried.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #72 on:** October 26, 2009, 02:18:02 AM »

As a Patriots fan, let me just say that you will be much happier with a one-loss regular season and Super Bowl victory, rather than a "perfect" regular season and Super Bowl loss. Get that one loss out in the regular season.

crustpope · « **Reply #73 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:26:55 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on October 26, 2009, 01:07:40 AM

Vikings outplayed the Steelers

I'm not so sure about that.

Steelers held Peterson to 69 Yards rushing and the team to 89 yards rushing (Pitt had 106 yards rushing)

Favre had more total yards passing but he threw no TD's and his rating was a pedestrian 76.8 (Big Ben's was 87.8 with one TD)

Minnesota had VASTLY more reciving yards, but no TD's

They both had a turnover ( im not counting the bobbled interception)

But here is the telling stat

Pittsburg had 4 sacks, 7 passes deflected, 6 quarterback hits 6 Tackles for Losses and 2 TD's off of turnovers on Defense
Minnesota had 3 Sacks 7 PD, 3 qB hits and 7 tackels for loss and 0 points off of defense
True, 7 of those points were off of the bobbled interception that shouldnt have been because Minn should have scored the TD instead of having it called back due to a phantom tripping call.

It seems to me that both teams played really well and that no one team outplayed another. Minnesota just got beat by a tough defense and some bad calls, that is all.

lightningninja · « **Reply #74 on:** October 27, 2009, 04:59:35 PM »

Yeah he had 69 RUSHING yards... cause Peterson was too busy trucking down the secondary and scoring for over 60 recieving yards. He wasn't exactly "stopped."

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