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Peyton Manning is 10x the quarterback Brett Favre is, was, or ever will be.

What?!

Just this season alone Brett Favre has as many TDs and INTs as Peyton Manning, and he's not as good as he used to be.

Freaking penalties are KILLING the Ravens. 

Manning: 342 TDs (1.9 p/g), 168 INTs (0.93 p/g) in 180 games (averaging 260.9 yds/game) (as of prior to this week)
Favre: 472 TDs (1.7 p/g), 311 INTs (1.12 p/g) in 277 games (averaging 238.1 yds/game) (as of prior to this week)

The empirical data does not lie, and this is excluding all comparisons of their field general skills, where even the greatest Favre apologist has to concede to Mannning.

No, it doesn't lie... but it doesn't say it all, either. Brett Favre, until this year, has never had a good defensive line. He's never had a good RB (arguably Ahman Green but he fumbled too much), and never had a hall of fame, or even great, reciever. He makes his recievers look great though.

You also have to consider defenses, how much time they have with the ball, and other things. You can't throw down some statistics, saying that Manning is slightly better, and act like it's a fact that Manning is better. That's simply not true.

And I'm not sure what you mean by field general skills. If you mean how Manning calls amazing audibles and adjustments, okay, I'll give you that. I love Manning for that.

But Brett Favre is also the greatest comeback quarterback of all time. Manning never would have made that pass in game 3. Brett Favre knows how to win, and pull a team together with :05 left in the fourth quarter. No statistic can match that.

Brett Favre knows how to win, and pull a team together with :05 left in the fourth quarter. No statistic can match that.

What and Manning doesn't?  We are watching probably the greatest two minute drill QB of all time.  Manning does more, with less, and makes fewer mistakes than Favre.

Dont get me wrong, I love Favre and have TONS of respect for him, but barring a serious injury, ALL of Favres Records will belong to Peyton. 

True, Manning Had Harrison and still has Reggie Wayne, but this years Run is with Great Wide recievers such as Austin Collie and Pierrr Garcon.  Two Rookies who get to play because a second year player (Gonzalez) is out for several games.  Manning makes recievers look good and can work with anyone who has the skill to play in the NFL.  He doesnt need a platoon of Randy Moss's to win games.


BTW, I have to re-do my list given todays games:
1. Colts - Yeah, I have to say they are for real.  They will win their division and probably a first round bye with home field advantage.
2. Giants -A solid game today..but they were playing the raiders...
3. Vikings -  Favre could easily lead this team to a superbowl.
4. Saints - Pretty good, but lets see who comes out of the Superdome unbeaten next week, the Giants or Saints...I am betting it will be the Giants.
5. Denver - That was a signature win against the Patriots today.  They are starting to make me believe in the value of Wild horses.
Honorable mention -
Watch out for the Bengals.  Their last second heroics against Baltimore was HUGE.  couple that with a freak loss to denver and a signature win vs. the steelers and you have to admit that they are doing something good in Cincinnati.

BTW, I have to re-do my list given todays games:
1. Colts - Yeah, I have to say they are for real.  They will win their division and probably a first round bye with home field advantage.
2. Giants -A solid game today..but they were playing the raiders...
3. Vikings -  Favre could easily lead this team to a superbowl.
4. Saints - Pretty good, but lets see who comes out of the Superdome unbeaten next week, the Giants or Saints...I am betting it will be the Giants.
5. Denver - That was a signature win against the Patriots today.  They are starting to make me believe in the value of Wild horses.
Honorable mention -
Watch out for the Bengals.  Their last second heroics against Baltimore was HUGE.  couple that with a freak loss to denver and a signature win vs. the steelers and you have to admit that they are doing something good in Cincinnati.

Colts are definitely number 1. They do have a slightly suspect defense however...even though they beat Miami, they needed a legendary performance by Peyton to do it because their defense couldnt get Miami off the field...

The Giants and Vikings both beat up on some rebuilding teams this week so I think it's a toss up for #2 and 3. The Vikings did steal one against San Fran, but they have a solid win against Green Bay and the Giants have had a pretty easy schedule thus far.

Saints defense has been showing up, can they maintain that is the question.

I agree Denver is looking better and in that weak division, they just about have a play-off spot wrapped up...

I definitely agree about the Bengals--wins against Green Bay (at GB), Pittsburgh and Baltimore (at Bal) tell me this team is for real.

Interestingly enough, Week 1 I remember commenting on the Broncos/Bengals game. The score was 7-6 with a few minutes to go in the fourth quarter. I said something to the effect of: "Boy, that's a low scoring game. But given the two teams that are playing, I don't think it has much to do with great defenses, they're both just terrible."

Boy was I wrong.

Anyway, I'd have to offhand say the Giants will go undefeated the longest, though I haven't really looked at the upcoming schedules of all the teams. I'd like to say the Vikings of course, but

A) You might not believe in jinxes, but I'm a Vikings fan...I was there in 1998 when the commentators said that Gary Anderson hadn't missed a field goal all season, and 42 yards should be no problem...

B) While the Vikings have looked really good most of the time in most of their games, there have been a lot of miscues on their parts that I teams better than who we've played can take advantage of. If the Rams weren't so ridiculously awful yesterday, it would have been a much closer game. Two goal-to-go fumbles and one interception? They handed us the game.

That said, I sure wouldn't mind seeing the Vikes go undefeated the longest. But we've got three games left against two very good division rivals in GB and Chicago, so we'll see how it goes.

From what I saw yesterday, the Rams could easily be this year's version of Detroit. I would say they will definitely go the longest without a win, and could possibly go 0-16.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on October 11, 2009, 10:03:28 PM

This also ignores what Favre probably did to get his team in the hole (throwing his Interceptions, making bad throwing decisions early in teh game, etc).

I'll refer to above when crustpope says "Manning will break all of his records." I know, and that includes interceptions. Why do you think that the Colts have only one 1 super bowl with Peyton Manning? Because he throws interceptions, just like Favre. This is not a one-sided argument.

Are you Serious?  Peyton would have to play until he was 60 in order to break Favres interception record.  please check your stats before you post because this makes you sound like an idiot.  Just to help you out. here are the interceptions for the last 5 seasons for both Mannign and Favre.

        Manning  Favre
2009     4          2
2008    12         22  *
2007    14         15
2006     9         18  *
2005    10         29  *
2004    10         17
2003    10         21

The starred years are the years that Favre threw either the same ammount or MORE interceptions than touchdowns.  that is something that Peyton Manning has done only once...His rookie year when he threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's..

Are you Serious?  Peyton would have to play until he was 60 in order to break Favres interception record.  please check your stats before you post because this makes you sound like an idiot.  Just to help you out. here are the interceptions for the last 5 seasons for both Mannign and Favre.

Chill out. No one's an idiot.

We'll see if Peyton can play as long as Favre in order to break those records. If Peyton Manning gets hurt... he'll sit out. It could be something like Brady. Brady will never be as good as he was because of that injury all last year. This is evident in the Pat's 3-2 record.

Brett Favre gets a cast on a leg because of an injury, so he puts a cast on the other leg, so the defenders don't know which leg to hit, and then goes on the field. No other quarterback can do that. Which means that Favre is reliable.

Oh I don't see no wrong in Favre. I hate how many interceptions he throws. I also never even said that he's the best of all time. I just think he's better than Manning.

And I'm not sure how you can say that Favre has just as many interception/bad choices games as he does great miracle games. There's a reason he has the most wins of any quarterback ever. He wins a lot more games that he loses, so I'd say he has a lot more great games.

No, not offended. 

In deference to my fellow brothers (& sisters) who are Vikings fans, I do hope they finally win the big one one of these days.  This year?  Maybe.  But I don't want you to get your hopes up too high.  You had to have a Hail Mary and a missed field goal to win two HOME games.  Just keep things in perspective.   

After all, the last time the Broncos and Vikings were this good together was in '98, and we all remember what happened then.  Hmmm, at least I think I remember: Vikes were led by a free agent QB that used to be an all-pro for a team that wore green uniforms...am I right?!?

 

1. Colts
2. Saints
3. Vikings
4. Giants
5. Broncos~pending their game against SD tonight.

your team got lucky against the Ravens, justin

It's really kind of funny how the Vikings played great and the Ravens played awful for 3 quarters, then the Ravens have a great 4th quarter but come up a little short, and people say "the Vikings got lucky."

I'd be the first to admit the Vikings defense was bad in the 4th quarter...kinda like how the Ravens defense was bad in the 1st quarter...

I guess you just have a different definition of a Hail Mary pass, but Favre saw the receiver and threw it to the exact spot where the receiver was going.

If thrown by someone named Favre, Montana, Marino, Brady, etc., it's called a planned, frozen rope?!?

If thrown by someone named Tavaris, Alex Smith, Cleo Lemon, Tony Eason, etc., it's called a Hail Mary?!?

I'm not sure where you got this from, but it doesn't matter. I would say the same thing if Shaun Hill makes that play...we just know he won't because he's not that good...