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Ultra rares were almost 10 years ago.

Now they are full-body art with neat little ripples in the cards.... 

I love the pretty much every idea from Olijar's post (though that's totally not set rotation, and it bothers me that you only say it technically isn't set rotation.  It just plain isn't set rotation).  The only reason I'd be opposed to a reboot from I/J would be because of the money and effort I've put into my collection and decks from pre-I/J but an official unrestricted type takes away those concerns.  And while that format might have a terrible unbalanced meta, that isn't really that much different from the current meta and I'd still have fun playing in it anyway.  Also I would love if multiplayer were eliminated as official categories.  It frees up time in tournaments for better categories by eliminating what is in my opinion the weakest of all categories.  Multiplayer might be fun in casual play, but I personally don't think it deserves a place in official categories.  So all in all I am a fan of the idea of a reboot using post-I/J as long as we keep a format for pre-I/J.

It's not "set rotation" because Redemption doesn't have "sets". Otherwise, I think it is.

I really like the idea of a reboot. I think it is a necessary thing if we hope to have a vibrant Redemption see its 25th anniversary. I have three items for further discussion...

First,  I see you kept booster and sealed. I assume the booster would be the "unlimited" closed format and sealed would be the reboot one.  Is this correct?

Second, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to dump multi-player. Especially if the primary reason really is solely to make Nats scheduling more convenient. Having a good multi-player capability out of the box is a selling point for the game overall. In games that don't have it (e.g. Legend of the Five Rings) multi-player always ends up being one of the most requested items by the player base.

Third, I hope that any serious consideration of a game reboot would also include taking a fresh look at the distribution model as well. Right now the size of the player base makes Redemption borderline (at best) as a viable collectible game. Couple that with the huge shift in the Christian retail landscape over the past 20 years, and you have a real problem going forward.

1. Hadn't thought about the formats for sealed and booster, I personally would be fine with eliminating both, I just figured people wouldn't like that. What you say makes sense though.

2. You can still include MP rules in the book but there's no reason to play an inferior version of the game in tournaments.

Quote from: Westy on March 19, 2014, 08:06:52 PM

Ultra rares were almost 10 years ago.

Exactly why the game isn't doing as good as it was 10 years ago.

Nope.

It's not "set rotation" because Redemption doesn't have "sets". Otherwise, I think it is.

I'm pretty sure what everyone means by 'sets' is 'expansions'. What you may be referring to is 'blocks', as in, a multitude of successive expansions (that usually share the same theme), which Redemption doesn't really have. But Drrek is saying how the proposal fails to demonstrate any kind of rotation...set, block, or otherwise. Are there plans to consistently remove expansions or whole blocks from the format to allow new expansions to enter the format? If so, that is rotation. But it seems to me to just be a banning of all cards pre-IJ and reboot from IJ forward.

If you get the banning of all cards prior to the I/J deck,what do you want done with those cards? Redemption tournaments with old cards for fun,recycling,drink holders?

Personally if we do a reboot I suggest we vote here-on the boards-for that.

Here are a few questions/thoughts for yall.

1) A post for Rob to read as to what cards you'd like to see  in the next few sets.
2) What to do with the old cards?
3) What current sets to carry over with the reboot till more cards come out?

If you get the banning of all cards prior to the I/J deck,what do you want done with those cards? Redemption tournaments with old cards for fun,recycling,drink holders?

Personally if we do a reboot I suggest we vote here-on the boards-for that.

Here are a few questions/thoughts for yall.

1) A post for Rob to read as to what cards you'd like to see  in the next few sets.
2) What to do with the old cards?
3) What current sets to carry over with the reboot till more cards come out?

It's already been stated that if a reboot were to happen, there would be an unlimited format where all cards can be used. I do agree with the forum poll though.

Aj, when it was stated that unlimited would be used-I thought they meant unlimited set only. Aka the original set or the cheap blue packs.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Does anybody know any of the cards that are being considered for the new set? I'd like to see a Matthis in purple since he replaced Judas as the 12th apostle. I wouldn't mind seeing a Josephus  promo card or a McBees promo card. I realize that they're technically  not in the Bible,however they are part of it. Also will there be a Saul and Paul reprint?

I'll come back later and correct my spelling.

Does anybody know any of the cards that are being considered for the new set? I'd like to see a Matthis in purple since he replaced Judas as the 12th apostle. I wouldn't mind seeing a Josephus  promo card or a McBees promo card. I realize that they're technically  not in the Bible,however they are part of it. Also will there be a Saul and Paul reprint?

I'll come back later and correct my spelling.

1. No only the PTB knows what cards are in the set.
2. The Redemption definition of Disciple is " One of the 12 who walked with Jesus" since Matthias was after Jesus' ascension he will go in whatever color the early church is in.
3. No ST Patrick was bad enough. We don't need more non biblical people in the game.
4. I would like to think so.

1. Some the elders release hints about cards or possible reprints so there may be some people who know a little more then they are admitting.
2. Sadness stated apostle not disciple.
3. What makes St. Patrick bad?
4. I really like Saul/Paul but a reprint with a more useable Paul woul be cool. Or perhaps a couple ways to very easily convert Saul to Paul without much cost.

FTFY

As far as number 2 goes, I think he was mostly trying to figure out which brigade he would be a part of, whether it be purple or "Early Church brigade".

Part of the reason for the reboot is to get rid of all the terribly worded cards and this would just make these cards see more use. This does nothing but keeps people useing old cards like ANB that gives the elders and judges headaches and forces them to take an aspirin. As to number 2, I would just turn T1 into T3. It's pretty much like T2 but doesn't make people spend the abundance of cash that T2 does. I just think Redemption needs a complete Reboot to get rid of all the bad days of sloppily worded cards and Pokemon professors. This gives them a chance to start pretty much from ground up with power creep. Imagine how happy the elders would be if they only had to keep in mind when making the new set is IJ? They wouldn't have to worry about some random Apostle common making one of the new cards broken. My proposal is,

1. Turn Redemption completely into an LCG.
2. Have a reboot from IJ up and replace T1 with T3 and eliminate multiplayer. This one would make people play defense. So the categories would be T1 and T2 "unlimited,and T3 and T2 reboot.

Because it would be an LCG people wouldn't have to track down a bunch of rares and ultra rares and it would eliminate the closed categories which would free up room for new interesting categories.