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I should have finished my set rotation article. It works.

Who said we needed a consistent rotation? It isn't about game balancing, it's about getting rid of cards that have messy wording and giving more possibilities for future sets.

We could do a Reboot block which has only cards from IJ up and have traditional Redemption which all cards can be used in just a thought.

Is the new set going to be released in tins or packs(like priests) or box packs(like Texp)?

Also is the new brigade cover both sides? The only difference to tell it apart is the cross or dragon on the card.

Well there is no definite brigade and if there was, it would most likely be a good brigade.

I should have finished my set rotation article. It works.

The LCG distribution model works even better.

I disagree. LCGs never outsell MTG and MtG uses set rotation so I say go set rotation route I would play.

?? Where did that come from? Magic outsells every game on the planet because it has a gigantic player base spanning over the past 20 years lol...

I removed my post. I apologize for not responding more kindly to preposterous statements. If it helps, I actually did laugh out loud when I read the comment I was responding to.

I fail to understand how an LCG model would be superior unless we had a new start point.  Pardon my ignorance but in an LCG all printed cards are viable for tournament play?  If that is the case then it appears the problem isn't with either distribution model IMO, it's with the fact that some of the older cards in redemption are either outdated in their wording or they are too strong.

  If a new format were to be unveiled (With the idea in mind of maintaining an unrestricted format that is like the current play style) given our current setup wouldn't a ban list be more effective?

If that is the case then it appears the problem isn't with either distribution model IMO, it's with the fact that some of the older cards in redemption are either outdated in their wording or they are too strong.

If a new format were to be unveiled (With the idea in mind of maintaining an unrestricted format that is like the current play style) given our current setup wouldn't a ban list be more effective?

The way the game is currently designed it would be the most logical, a la Yugioh style. And as you mentioned, you can also keep a more 'traditional' format with no ban list that retains every card.

I fail to understand how an LCG model would be superior unless we had a new start point.  Pardon my ignorance but in an LCG all printed cards are viable for tournament play?  If that is the case then it appears the problem isn't with either distribution model IMO, it's with the fact that some of the older cards in redemption are either outdated in their wording or they are too strong.

I believe we would need to have a new start point for an LCG model to work. This doesn't necessarily mean a completely new print set, but could be a selective pruning of what is currently available. For players that already own cards, this could take the form of a ban list. There would need to be some means, however, for new players to get a hold of the base set.

If a new format were to be unveiled (With the idea in mind of maintaining an unrestricted format that is like the current play style) given our current setup wouldn't a ban list be more effective?

I think we need to wait for Olijar to explain more about what he is thinking. From Westy's comments it appears to be some form of rolling ban list coinciding with the introduction of new sets.

We could do a Reboot block which has only cards from IJ up and have traditional Redemption which all cards can be used in just a thought.

Given the 90+ unique cards in I/J plus Rob's 200+ card set, a reboot block of this type would be roughly the size of Unlimited + Prophets + 1/2 of Women. This is plenty of cards for a viable game.

I would not be opposed to a reboot. Especially given the new card format in IJ, it could be the aesthetic mark of a new start.

So agree it would be awesome to Reboot. No more Thad !

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 15, 2014, 05:59:27 PM

Given the 90+ unique cards in I/J plus Rob's 200+ card set, a reboot block of this type would be roughly the size of Unlimited + Prophets + 1/2 of Women. This is plenty of cards for a viable game.

As much as I would like a reboot the set currently in the works is not a reboot set...

That does appear to be the case.

Maybe we the players could help draft a potential reboot set we could use as alternative?

I think it might be more feasible to try to convince the PTB to consider setting the early church set aside for the time being and work on a reboot set. This would be with the hope that the reboot would attract a new set of players and re-vitalize Redemption overall in ways an expansion could not. To this end, one huge advantage of a reboot set is that it is easier to market a "new-ish" game to a new player base (and on Kickstarter) than it would be to market the 16th?!? expansion to a game.

The selling format would obviously have to be different though then the planned TexP style packs for the current set...

Although I think I have previously made my feelings clear on how I think Redemption could best be marketed going forward, I don't think that you would necessarily have to change from a TexP style pack if people chose not to. You could simply define the a base set of existing cards that you want to include in a reboot (and give them a cool marketing name like "Redemption Retro"), and splash them into the reboot packs.