I'm flattered that Redemption went ahead with a redesign
Can someone post the facebook link? I hardly ever use it and I can't find Rob on there.Yeah, they did.I'm flattered that Redemption went ahead with a redesign
I have to ask, did they contact you about the redesign specifically?
Can someone post the facebook link? I hardly ever use it and I can't find Rob on there.
Can someone post the facebook link? I hardly ever use it and I can't find Rob on there.Yeah, they did.I'm flattered that Redemption went ahead with a redesign
I have to ask, did they contact you about the redesign specifically?
Also, you were the inspiration for my sleek design. What I was saying is that I'm flattered that Cactus noticed my redesign threads and went forward with their own.
Woah. Redesign. It was hinted at, but I expected it to just be a joke. But I saw that Rob posted these on his Facebook page, so this is legit.Hopefully this are playtesting mockups which generally use different fonts than actual cards. if not then I won't be a happy camper either.
My first instinct was that I dislike the new font choices, but I'll wait until I see larger images before I pass judgment. The special abilities definitely seem way easier to read, which is major. But if the ability text is as Arial as it seems... I might end up actually preferring the old design. (I feel bad being so negative, especially as the first post on the thread, but luckily most people care far less about typefaces than I do, so I doubt my opinion will carry much weight.)
I like the designs and the purple Peter, but I hope he has a more useful ability than what it shows here.
So this SoG would negate shut door's ability?
Peter is deceptively powerful. D1 on a TGT hero is borderline broken.Peter is deceptively powerful because he's a Purple TGT hero, like John. I think John is still better, but Peter gets 4DC too. Not broken IMO.
Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.Not at all.
All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.
I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.
All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.
I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.
Do we know Andrew is purple now?
Is this known or is that an educated guess. I assume your right I'm just curious of you know this?
I like the designs and the purple Peter, but I hope he has a more useful ability than what it shows here.
So this SoG would negate shut door's ability?
Peter is deceptively powerful. D1 on a TGT hero is borderline broken.
Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.
All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.
I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.
Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.
Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.
Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.
Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.
You'll still see them in most decks. I mean Female-only is kept in even though SoG can already rescue. Don't forget NJ being unable to rescue a soul is still huge.
All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.
I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.
@Alex: I have played multiple timewith demons and have never found them that useful. They seem to be like angels for evil characters, their only ment for suppport.
The ability he does have will be VERY useful in the starters,I'm guessing you don't specifically mean the draw, which makes me VERY interested to see the demons in the deck. :P
The ability he does have will be VERY useful in the starters,I'm guessing you don't specifically mean the draw, which makes me VERY interested to see the demons in the deck. :P
The secret is out... I like the redesign a lot. The font would not be my first choice, but this is a huge improvement. Daniel and Lambo have been and continue to be a huge blessing to this community. Their fresh ideas and ways to inspire and challenge one another are a blessing to this game. Ultimately it was one of Daniels redesign ideas I took to Rob and pointed out some things I really liked about it. The main thing Rob took away was that it is time to get the special ability off the card art. That is a major step in the right direction. Thank you to both Daniel and Lambo. Your involvement in the community make this game better! :)
I guess it's probably obvious now why I said that there will be absolutely no problem telling the I deck cards from the FooF tin I cards. ::)
Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.
Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.
You'll still see them in most decks. I mean Female-only is kept in even though SoG can already rescue. Don't forget NJ being unable to rescue a soul is still huge.
The female soul is kept in because it basically forces an opponent using "The Deck" to SoG that soul, because it's not going to rescue the NT either. This allows you to have more freedom with your other souls (the Deck really can't afford to just haphazardly Son of God a CBP soul for example because then it could easily lock itself out by accident).
I think negating a soul and giving SoG access to NT and */4 is WAY more important than you think it is for the Deck that's currently considered the Best Deck in Format.
My only nitpicks are the fonts and the rounded corners on the image box and text box.
I feel like the title could be larger, or the image box could extend up a bit. That typeface doesnt look like it has very large ascenders / descenders. I also quite liked Grail for the titles, but that one did have the descender issue.
I'm still torn on the rounded corners. There's nothing inherently wrong with them, I just preferred the look of the sharp corners.
From a technical standpoint though, everything looks great.
Also curious why there is no cross icon on the ROA3 card?
Are you just assuming it's ROA3 or did Rob say that wherever you found the leaked image? I'm asking because I honestly don't know his plan for distributing the tin.
My guess is gray will pop up either in the Tin or Starter. They already gave us more for Brown, Crimson, and Pale Green, so Gray has to be what we get.
What be know so far
Deck 1: Purple & Another Good Brigade (My guess is Silver)
Two Evil Brigades
Deck 2: Two Good Brigades
Orange and Another Evil Brigade
Tin 26: Teal (Based of Artifact) & Syrians (Based off Scattered)
Wow, Rob spoiled Scattered? That's awesome! The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.
Only makes sense we have a card that properly reflects Jesus' true power.Except he still can't rescue your own Souls. ::)
Wow, Rob spoiled Scattered? That's awesome! The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.This intrigues me.
What happens if my opponent has golden cherubim up and I play reach do they get to search before I play a card or after I draw and play can I at don before they search after I play the enhancement?Triggers always have to wait til all abilities complete, so if you play Reach and then another enhancement they couldn't search with Cherubim until after the second enhancement (and any subsequent interrupts/negates/etc.).
the fact that there's more background on the right side of the image and ability/verse box than on the left side
The OCD side of me is perturbed by the fact that there's more background on the right side of the image and ability/verse box than on the left side, but the creative side in me wants to love the redesign.If you notice, a lot of cards have been printed like that :-X bugging Daniel since '05.
*inner civil war begins*
Peter and Son of God on the first page look alright, so I'm sating my OCD side by only looking at them....... >_>the fact that there's more background on the right side of the image and ability/verse box than on the left side
Wow, I didn't even notice that. Before. Now it's gonna bug me too. Thanks bro.
Please refresh my memroy on this if I have it wrong.
Wouldn't Nazareth basically stop Golden Cherubim? So that would mean a site that stays out always stops this artifact.
My guess is gray will pop up either in the Tin or Starter. They already gave us more for Brown, Crimson, and Pale Green, so Gray has to be what we get.
What be know so far
Deck 1: Purple & Silver
Two Evil Brigades
Deck 2: White & Another Brigade
Orange and Another Evil Brigade
Please refresh my memroy on this if I have it wrong.
Wouldn't Nazareth basically stop Golden Cherubim? So that would mean a site that stays out always stops this artifact.
Yes, it would. But if you use a heavy search deck, you wouldn't want to have Naz in your deck.
If I recall, the CBN on Arts/Cov/Curses only apply during the battle.
This card, however, would make it so that you could not DoN when your heroes are returning from Set-Aside with something like Pentecost to stop the search. Since it happens in the same phase, the search would still happen in that case.This is not correct. The special ability is a triggered effect, not an ongoing ability, so if the Artifact is not present it can't trigger. You could play DoN and then bring your Heroes with Pentecost back and the opponent would not be able to search.
This card, however, would make it so that you could not DoN when your heroes are returning from Set-Aside with something like Pentecost to stop the search. Since it happens in the same phase, the search would still happen in that case.This is not correct. The special ability is a triggered effect, not an ongoing ability, so if the Artifact is not present it can't trigger. You could play DoN and then bring your Heroes with Pentecost back and the opponent would not be able to search.
My guess is gray will pop up either in the Tin or Starter. They already gave us more for Brown, Crimson, and Pale Green, so Gray has to be what we get.
What be know so far
Deck 1: Purple & Silver
Two Evil Brigades
Deck 2: White & Another Brigade
Orange and Another Evil Brigade
Bold is why I am very concerned about the new Peter. If this assumption is correct, then he negates half of the opposing defense, and negating EC pre-block was a major problem that led to part of the imbalance between the last starters. His D1 isn't as bad as some think, though that does make Disciples' drawing even more rampant.
Please refresh my memroy on this if I have it wrong.
Wouldn't Nazareth basically stop Golden Cherubim? So that would mean a site that stays out always stops this artifact.
Yes, it would. But if you use a heavy search deck, you wouldn't want to have Naz in your deck.
So, I hated Golden Cherubim when I looked at it at first, but as I read the thread, I had these same sudden realizations. It at least has a hard counter in Nazareth. I do still have a problem with the fact that almost every competitive deck will have to have either Golden Cherubim or Nazareth in it (rarely both), however.
Who made the scattered Defense card I HAVE TO KNOW!!! THAT MAN SHOULD BE GIVEN MANY BLESSINGS and if he shows himself i might just give him a free foriegn sword!!!!!
Who made the scattered Defense card I HAVE TO KNOW!!! THAT MAN SHOULD BE GIVEN MANY BLESSINGS and if he shows himself i might just give him a free foriegn sword!!!!!
Scattered was truly a team effort. After Nationals we discussed ways to thwart CBN banding on offense. Scattered was one of the cards we created. I can think of at least 5-6 of the elders that gave input that helped shape that card. It's one of my favorites in the new stuff. If you like Scattered you might also like the "fool" Lost Soul.
As I said in the video, I would never call a reactionary card broken. That said, Golden Cherubim is really really really good.
I'm also a bit bothered by the fact that the most famous apostle is one of the weakest disciples.
Unless you could find a way to force the opponent to trigger it. ::)
Has anybody thought of an answer to Gabe hint about the tin: How the evil defense will be Foreign to most of us.
Has anybody thought of an answer to Gabe hint about the tin: How the evil defense will be Foreign to most of us.
It bothers me that the translation isn't KJV.I didn't notice that. Very nice, especially for young players.
The KJV isn't hard to read. That's quite a fallacy. I just browsed Bible Gateway and over half of the newer translations are either the equvilent of dumbed down bible, just completely lose the meaning of the verse, or are harder to read. Not a fan of this decision Cactus.It bothers me that the translation isn't KJV.I didn't notice that. Very nice, especially for young players.
If the reference on the GC has anything to do with the teal cards in the tin, they will most likely be Solomon's Temple cards. Maybe we are getting a more useful S-Temple?
Has anybody thought of an answer to Gabe hint about the tin: How the evil defense will be Foreign to most of us.
I guess we can confirm Americans are not in this set.
Well, playing this game has helped me learn my biblical stuff. You can ask any one close to me and they'll said I'm a lazy brain.If the reference on the GC has anything to do with the teal cards in the tin, they will most likely be Solomon's Temple cards. Maybe we are getting a more useful S-Temple?
The knowledge that you the fans demonstrate about the game is nothing short of amazing to me.... and it makes me want to go watch Galaxy Quest for some reason.
The soul is better in T1 for sure. Vain philosophy is interesting. I can see defense is getting a legitimized boost in these cards which I absolutely love.
Now the question is in T2 are people gonna start play 10-12 dom's?
While I agree on the 1st point that it is better in T1, it is still awesome for T2. From my experience most T2 players are not going to carry more than 2 unique characters due to the potential clog in your hand, so being able to have 2 of that lost soul basically kills Samuel, Isaiah, Red Banding offenses in just two turns.
Soul might be better in t2 because of more weapon play
I don't agree.The KJV isn't hard to read. That's quite a fallacy. I just browsed Bible Gateway and over half of the newer translations are either the equvilent of dumbed down bible, just completely lose the meaning of the verse, or are harder to read. Not a fan of this decision Cactus.It bothers me that the translation isn't KJV.I didn't notice that. Very nice, especially for young players.
The translation on the cards (NASB) is more literal and more in line with the original meaning than KJV. ESV is also that way. The wording sometimes makes it more difficult to read than the NIV or KJV but it is good to have a more thorough look at the text, IMO. I also like the HCSB - I like the way it reads and I don't feel that is loses anything. I also grew up memorizing verses in NIV so I work off three translations mainly: HCSB for most of devotions and sometimes ESV as I have study Bibles in both, my church uses ESV, and I memorize in NIV mainly.
Kirk
Please refresh my memroy on this if I have it wrong.
Wouldn't Nazareth basically stop Golden Cherubim? So that would mean a site that stays out always stops this artifact.
Yes, it would. But if you use a heavy search deck, you wouldn't want to have Naz in your deck.
ok im sorry but im missing something here wheres the connection between fools and thorns ls
ok im sorry but im missing something here wheres the connection between fools and thorns ls
When thorns is out, you can't shuffle our underdeck the fool. Since pretty much the only other way to get rid of it is SoG/NJ or Burial, that could be pretty strong.
Cool, now we are wasting the only reliable two liner counter on this soul; maybe I will play it after all.
23 Also in the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olive wood, each ten cubits high. 24 Five cubits was the one wing of the cherub and five cubits the other wing of the cherub; from the end of one wing to the end of the other wing were ten cubits. 25 The other cherub was ten cubits; both the cherubim were of the same measure and the same form. 26 The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was the other cherub. 27 He placed the cherubim in the midst of the inner house, and the wings of the cherubim were spread out, so that the wing of the one was touching the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub was touching the other wall. So their wings were touching each other in the center of the house. 28 He also overlaid the cherubim with gold.
Are the Golden Cherubim depicted in the art Doug drew for Holy of Holies?
The soul is better in T1 for sure. Vain philosophy is interesting. I can see defense is getting a legitimized boost in these cards which I absolutely love.
Now the question is in T2 are people gonna start play 10-12 dom's?
While I agree on the 1st point that it is better in T1, it is still awesome for T2. From my experience most T2 players are not going to carry more than 2 unique characters due to the potential clog in your hand, so being able to have 2 of that lost soul basically kills Samuel, Isaiah, Red Banding offenses in just two turns. I love the defense seen so far, my decks might become more of a trick (for lack of better term) defense but will be super strong!
On the 2nd point, is there a problem with finally having close to the max of dominants in T2? ;D ;)
Has anybody thought of an answer to Gabe hint about the tin: How the evil defense will be Foreign to most of us.
I guess we can confirm Americans are not in this set.
The soul is better in T1 for sure. Vain philosophy is interesting. I can see defense is getting a legitimized boost in these cards which I absolutely love.
Now the question is in T2 are people gonna start play 10-12 dom's?
While I agree on the 1st point that it is better in T1, it is still awesome for T2. From my experience most T2 players are not going to carry more than 2 unique characters due to the potential clog in your hand, so being able to have 2 of that lost soul basically kills Samuel, Isaiah, Red Banding offenses in just two turns. I love the defense seen so far, my decks might become more of a trick (for lack of better term) defense but will be super strong!
On the 2nd point, is there a problem with finally having close to the max of dominants in T2? ;D ;)
As an exclusive T2-player I'd thought I would weigh in on the dominants question. In our play group, everyone plays with the "core 5" dominants - SOG/NJ, CM, Burial, and FA - after that, most will play with GoYS, Mayhem, and DofN - though there is some variability there. That puts your typical total around 8. I know at that point you already start to wrestle with card slots at that number, so I think that as more dominants come into play T2 players will make more choices on what to cut - and that is not a bad thing. I enjoy the strategic challenge of what stays in and what has to leave. I don't think a dominant cap will have too much relevance to most T2 players unless the cards got silly.
Woops - how could I leave out Grapes from the list?
Next time you can just modify your post, instead of posting again ;).
I assume it will be for all Temples since there's no evidence that I know which indicates these were not present in Z's and Herod's Temples.
I just don't post that often ...Anyone who is a fan of ST:TNG (as your username indicates) should clearly post more often :)
I just don't post that often ...Anyone who is a fan of ST:TNG (as your username indicates) should clearly post more often :)
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;D
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;DThat would be me, and I did post my reason for liking the change.
It's funny how people down vote anything they disagree with, while the most disagreeable of us(myself) never uses the feature any longer. Can a mod please cleanse the thread of the scripture change debate?
In order to make Sadness not feel singled out, I have -1'd everyone on this page.In my defense, I never even touched the topic of the scripture change. I really don't mind the translation of it as long as I can read it and understand it. The only thing I have mainly talked about are the actual cards themselves and not any of the nitpicking.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;D
It's funny how people down vote anything they disagree with, while the most disagreeable of us(myself) never uses the feature any longer. Can a mod please cleanse the thread of the scripture change debate?
Why? it's relevant to the new cards
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;D
I haven't been giving negatives to anyone, but I do disagree with those who don't like the change. It's also worth pointing out that most of the people who have posted opposition to the change haven't given any substantive reason either, but have just said that they don't like the change (or providing faulty analogies to express their displeasure). I don't view that as any more or less helpful to the discussion than clicking the "-" sign (and it saves a potential poster time). It just means that there is disagreement (as there obviously will be, given people's preference for scripture versions).
I don't want to get into a major debate on scripture versions or anything, but I would certainly encourage people to really look into the history of the various versions of scripture, and find out which are better for reading, study, preaching, and evangelism. I assure you that a majority of people who study the Bible would say that the answer is not the same for all four.
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;D
I haven't been giving negatives to anyone, but I do disagree with those who don't like the change. It's also worth pointing out that most of the people who have posted opposition to the change haven't given any substantive reason either, but have just said that they don't like the change (or providing faulty analogies to express their displeasure). I don't view that as any more or less helpful to the discussion than clicking the "-" sign (and it saves a potential poster time). It just means that there is disagreement (as there obviously will be, given people's preference for scripture versions).
I don't want to get into a major debate on scripture versions or anything, but I would certainly encourage people to really look into the history of the various versions of scripture, and find out which are better for reading, study, preaching, and evangelism. I assure you that a majority of people who study the Bible would say that the answer is not the same for all four.
The reason I dislike the scripture change is because you lose the richness of the language. Here's two quotes (both from real, printed bibles):
"We bring tidings of great joy to all." or, "We bring good news that will make everyone happy." Which is more, I guess, beautiful? Which can you take more seriously? I know some like the new version because it's easier to understand. However, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
I don't know who keeps giving negatives to those of us that aren't liking the Scripture change,but please quit. Post your reasons why you like the change. Redemption,not negativity ;D
I haven't been giving negatives to anyone, but I do disagree with those who don't like the change. It's also worth pointing out that most of the people who have posted opposition to the change haven't given any substantive reason either, but have just said that they don't like the change (or providing faulty analogies to express their displeasure). I don't view that as any more or less helpful to the discussion than clicking the "-" sign (and it saves a potential poster time). It just means that there is disagreement (as there obviously will be, given people's preference for scripture versions).
I don't want to get into a major debate on scripture versions or anything, but I would certainly encourage people to really look into the history of the various versions of scripture, and find out which are better for reading, study, preaching, and evangelism. I assure you that a majority of people who study the Bible would say that the answer is not the same for all four.
The reason I dislike the scripture change is because you lose the richness of the language. Here's two quotes (both from real, printed bibles):
"We bring tidings of great joy to all." or, "We bring good news that will make everyone happy." Which is more, I guess, beautiful? Which can you take more seriously? I know some like the new version because it's easier to understand. However, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
I am just glad i have Peter that does some besides 4dc and TgT. So hope a def is Syrians.
Now about the new set-Really like it. I like the gap between the Scripture and what the card does. Artwork is impressive as always. Looking forward to the new disciple cards that we haven't seen yet. Cause I think there's an Andrew card too,right?
Alex you do know that we have zero originals. so nothing we have to date came come from the originals.
Herod's temple is the same building as Z's temple, just upgraded.
Okay. First off I'm going to apologize to anyone I offended bout the Scripture change. I went to the wiki and looked up versions of the Bible. Since the 5th century to today,there has been over 76 versions. Several before the 1611 and quite a few since then. Found out some very interesting things too. Earlier I said I was KJV only-found out there's a group of folks that call themselves that. They're split into 5 types. I'm with the 'prefer reading KJV as its what I grew up with'. I don't mind occasionally reading the NKJV when I want to see a verse in a different light. Hope that clears the air with all of you.
Now about the new set-Really like it. I like the gap between the Scripture and what the card does. Artwork is impressive as always. Looking forward to the new disciple cards that we haven't seen yet. Cause I think there's an Andrew card too,right?
In order to make Sadness not feel singled out, I have -1'd everyone on this page.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Hey could we have some more spoilers or at least info about when we will know all the cards abilities at least XD
Hey could we have some more spoilers or at least info about when we will know all the cards abilities at least XD
The new starter deck and tin will be released via RTS on May 15th. I cannot speak for Mike Wolfe who manages Redemption Live! but I believe he also has permission to release the cards through that medium on or around the same date.
So do we have a ballpark idea of when these will be available? I am hoping to have a sealed deck category for NY States on may 31.It was mentioned in that mid June was the time if I recall correctly
the ability is completely busted against the meta (not to mention still a battle winner in every case). Yes please, may I have another?
It is ridiculous, easily the most staple defensive card outside of Dominants. Represents all 3 of the most used splash brigades, and the ability is completely busted against the meta (not to mention still a battle winner in every case). Yes please, may I have another?You can still play around it. FBTNB is fine:P
Scattered is ridiculous at 1st glance. Splash-able in almost every defense with an easily achieved CBN clause, and is recurable (unlike Haman's Plot, the previous splash champ)? :oWhat allows you to recur it? Balaam is limited to curses and I don't think Nebby lets you search discard for an O.T Crimson
Desperate times, eh?
The card started out with a generic name "Penalty of Disobedience" which we really didn't like. We considered calling it "Disband" and "Exiled to Foreigners" before we finally settled on "Scattered".
The card started out with a generic name "Penalty of Disobedience"
We now have a lost soul that can recur those key Heroes in offenses like Isaiah and his angels. This will be in a majority of decks too, I say.My question about the new Soul: Why bother specifying from territory? Is there any other place Lost Souls can be rescued from? lol
My question about the new Soul: Why bother specifying from territory? Is there any other place Lost Souls can be rescued from? lol
My question about the new Soul: Why bother specifying from territory? Is there any other place Lost Souls can be rescued from? lol
It might be so that newer players don't think that if you rescue your opponent's soul, that you get to search. It's redundant but not harmful.
My question about the new Soul: Why bother specifying from territory? Is there any other place Lost Souls can be rescued from? lol
It might be so that newer players don't think that if you rescue your opponent's soul, that you get to search. It's redundant but not harmful.
I'm usually not a fan of "after this is rescued" souls... I'd rather them be harder to rescue in the first place!
between the new Solomon temple, gates of Jerusalem, scattered, and gib trick, king amon is going to be a boss
between the new Solomon temple, gates of Jerusalem, scattered, and gib trick, king amon is going to be a boss
I'd like to see someone figure out how to abuse Philosophy with him and Solomon's Temple. We tried and didn't find the combo to be broken but maybe one of you can prove us wrong.
Solomon's Temple = the latest good fortress to support an evil theme! Maybe the other Gates will show up in decks again now, though pairing with Teal is ehhhhhh.
you dont even need to abuse philosophy (although i can think of an old combo that could be adapted to the purpose), you just need a few teal enhancements to get him past grapes and AotL, then his inish and CBN ehnancements/ability should do the rest
between the new Solomon temple, gates of Jerusalem, scattered, and gib trick, king amon is going to be a boss
I'd like to see someone figure out how to abuse Philosophy with him and Solomon's Temple. We tried and didn't find the combo to be broken but maybe one of you can prove us wrong.
Entirely broken, no. But definitely very workable, especially since the Temple covers both your offense and your defense without discarding from the top of deck. I can't wait to work it over in T2 :)
Since there was already a nickname for the other soul, do the playtesters have one for this one too?
Since there was already a nickname for the other soul, do the playtesters have one for this one too?
One word names or abrivieations seem to work best.
How about "The Trader"
Gates of Jerusalem + Solomon's Temple + Haman's Gallows + Philosophy + ET + King Amon + Haman's PlotDoesnt Work.
Best 7 card semi-infinite block in the game.
Gates of Jerusalem + Solomon's Temple + Haman's Gallows + Philosophy + ET + King Amon + Haman's PlotDoesnt Work.
Best 7 card semi-infinite block in the game.
Just throw in covenant of Eden and then you have it!
There isn't a way to protect EVIL enhancements from discard, I don't think. Anyway, this is kind of ridiculous. TWO NEW EVIL DOMS introduced in one, easy to acquire set? I know, comparitively, they aren't all that good, but still... I think we can expect to see them in lots of noob decks.
I just had a thought...
Every starter to this point has included SoG, AotL, and either CM or Burial. Will Vain Philosophy and Strife replace CM / Burial in this set?
Anyway, this is kind of ridiculous. TWO NEW EVIL DOMS introduced in one, easy to acquire set? I know, comparitively, they aren't all that good, but still... I think we can expect to see them in lots of noob decks.
If they can upgrade on doms just by having a starter deck, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It should be encouraged in future sets :)
Basically, I don't get why these cards should be harder to get ;)
It is ridiculous, easily the most staple defensive card outside of Dominants. Represents all 3 of the most used splash brigades, and the ability is completely busted against the meta (not to mention still a battle winner in every case). Yes please, may I have another?
And despite all that, Defense is still king in T2. Chump blocks are OP.It is ridiculous, easily the most staple defensive card outside of Dominants. Represents all 3 of the most used splash brigades, and the ability is completely busted against the meta (not to mention still a battle winner in every case). Yes please, may I have another?
* Looks at Scattered x1 *
* Looks at Sam's Edict x4/AoCP x4/Bravery of David x4/Valley of Salt x4/MLaMG x4/etc. *
* Starts to wonder if Scattered could have been printed with single or dual brigades *
* Starts to wonder if Scattered could have been printed with single or dual brigades *
Anyway, this is kind of ridiculous. TWO NEW EVIL DOMS introduced in one, easy to acquire set? I know, comparitively, they aren't all that good, but still... I think we can expect to see them in lots of noob decks.
I LOVE the fact that more staple cards and doms come out in Starters. What is wrong with a new player getting better cards just by someone giving them a starter deck to get going? Absolutely nothing. Many better doms like Grapes, NJ, Mayhem, DoN, and Falling Away are too hard to come by or too expensive for most brand new players. They end up with the basic doms, if they even have all 4 of those. If they can upgrade on doms just by having a starter deck, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It should be encouraged in future sets :)
Basically, I don't get why these cards should be harder to get ;)
And despite all that, Defense is still king in T2. Chump blocks are OP.It is ridiculous, easily the most staple defensive card outside of Dominants. Represents all 3 of the most used splash brigades, and the ability is completely busted against the meta (not to mention still a battle winner in every case). Yes please, may I have another?
* Looks at Scattered x1 *
* Looks at Sam's Edict x4/AoCP x4/Bravery of David x4/Valley of Salt x4/MLaMG x4/etc. *
* Starts to wonder if Scattered could have been printed with single or dual brigades *
I'm really not supposed to spoil any cards or post images, but I can't help myself. I'll probably get fired for this...
We've reprinted one of my favorite cards! I bring 7 of these to every tournament I attend. ENJOY!
I'm really not supposed to spoil any cards or post images, but I can't help myself. I'll probably get fired for this...
We've reprinted one of my favorite cards! I bring 7 of these to every tournament I attend. ENJOY!
I'm really not supposed to spoil any cards or post images, but I can't help myself. I'll probably get fired for this...Woah! New look. Looks good. :P
We've reprinted one of my favorite cards! I bring 7 of these to every tournament I attend. ENJOY!
Gabe, are we going to get any new promos this season?
Promos won't come this years unless there's a Nats promo. There's tournaments for Regionals Memorial Day, so I don't think there's enough time to get them out.
Just my own speculation.
The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.
You guys will have to think outside the box a little to guess this one. ;)
I'm a little disappointed that nobody has picked up on the clues I've left. Maybe they weren't as obvious as I thought. I'll try to spell them out a little more clearly.The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.You guys will have to think outside the box a little to guess this one. ;)
Does it have something to do with a new class like Territory or Warrior class? That's "Outside the (Brigade) box".
I'm a little disappointed that nobody has picked up on the clues I've left. Maybe they weren't as obvious as I thought. I'll try to spell them out a little more clearly.The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.You guys will have to think outside the box a little to guess this one. ;)
Does it have something to do with a new class like Territory or Warrior class? That's "Outside the (Brigade) box".
That is outside the box, a term which is pretty open ended. But everything you need to solve the riddle is right here on the forum. I don't expect anyone to pull something out of this air. ;)
I'm a little disappointed that nobody has picked up on the clues I've left. Maybe they weren't as obvious as I thought. I'll try to spell them out a little more clearly.The defense in that tin is going to be a theme that's quite foreign to most of you.You guys will have to think outside the box a little to guess this one. ;)
I'm thinking Gabe is referring to the foreign spearman card from TOtB # 2. We've already been spoiled the toss ability so that would make sense. Especially since I doubt it would be introduced in the starters.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/totb-2/msg479864/#msg479864 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/totb-2/msg479864/#msg479864)
I'm thinking Gabe is referring to the foreign spearman card from TOtB # 2. We've already been spoiled the toss ability so that would make sense. Especially since I doubt it would be introduced in the starters.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/totb-2/msg479864/#msg479864 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/totb-2/msg479864/#msg479864)
Foreign Spearman is a Tin card. And it is not the only 'Foreign' EC in the tin. Both of these splashable evil characters do something unique in order to counter common offensive strategies. Foreign Spearman helps against little characters like Benjamin and Joseph, who are not as effective if they can't play their CBN enhancements.
I've wanted to put the Foreign Spearman idea into the game for a while now, and I'm very glad that we worked out a way for it to work, and to release it now rather than later.
Or both...
When you guys say "counter speed" is it safe for me to assume that you mean card drawing?
That would be quite a powerful card if it countered banding and card drawing at the same time... ::)
Samuel over Oak? Ok.
Would Foreign Spearman be able to use cards that say "If used by this civilization, you may do XYZ"?Depends on how they do it. I created a special identifier that could accomplish that, but it's only an idea on some of my custom cards right now. It's possible the PTB came up with something similar, though.
Would Foreign Spearman be able to use cards that say "If used by this civilization, you may do XYZ"?When enhancements are tossed, you don't read their special abilities. You only care about the first number in the icon box.
Do we have any idea when the starter decks will be available on Cactus' website?
Even though the card has not been revealed yet... could you in "theory" get a name on name toss bonus thing on the first number?Would Foreign Spearman be able to use cards that say "If used by this civilization, you may do XYZ"?When enhancements are tossed, you don't read their special abilities. You only care about the first number in the icon box.
Even though the card has not been revealed yet... could you in "theory" get a name on name toss bonus thing on the first number?
A toss ability allows a player to play an enhancement in a different way then usual; instead of activating the numbers or special
abilities of the enhancement, the enhancement is discarded to decrease an opposing character by X/X (where X is the strength
of the discarded enhancement).
Any call on these being played at Nats?
I personally hope that they can't be used but that a special exception could be made for sealed.
A month is plenty of time. MTG's pro tours(which are larger with more stakes than our nationals) happen two weeks after a set comes out. This rediculously boring stale meta needs new cards by nationals.Any call on these being played at Nats?
I personally hope that they can't be used but that a special exception could be made for sealed.
I actually am hoping the same thing. Nationals is a little close to the release for them to be playable, except in sealed.
And Magic is profit fueled and focused. Redemption is player focused and hopefully won't force a massive card but right befor Nats amongst the players who wish to be competitive.Redemption has done it before. Back before we shifted Nationals to august from october Nationals happened after a set released. Magic also seems pretty Player focused. $40,000? Seems they care about taking care of the bills of a pro tour winner. Dannnnng
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
I anticipate that, once the cards are released on RTS, a list will show up on here within a few hours, so everyone will have access to the cards.
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
I anticipate that, once the cards are released on RTS, a list will show up on here within a few hours, so everyone will have access to the cards.
Agreed but a list and playing with cards are very different things.
Some of the best players don't play on RTS, including Martin, the previous Nats champion. Matt Stupenski is another name off the top of my head who is probably top 10, but doesn't even have an online account (or if he does he never uses it).
Connor Magras 4th last Nats doesn't even have a boards account ;)
Thanks,
KingLeo
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
I anticipate that, once the cards are released on RTS, a list will show up on here within a few hours, so everyone will have access to the cards.
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
I anticipate that, once the cards are released on RTS, a list will show up on here within a few hours, so everyone will have access to the cards.
Additionally, I plan on helping Lambo add all the new cards to the wiki shortly after they are posted on RTS.
This may be true but you can't tell me that they will be at no disadvantage to top tier players who do get a chance with cards prior to the in hand experience.
It's a starter deck, so I wouldn't imagine major revisions would be necessary when you get to nationals. And the few cards in your deck that would change can be easily proxied to practice with until the tournament. :)
Most of the players using RTS are top teir players already and there are some that can't get acess to it for a series if reasons.
Also, what's up with the wording on Ashtaroth worship?I'm guessing since "remove from the game" is the actual ability they wanted to keep the entire wording of it in one phrase, rather than splitting it before and after the target.
Couldn't it have just said: "Discard a good enhancement or remove all cards in a discard pile from the game."
And Magic is profit fueled and focused. Redemption is player focused and hopefully won't force a massive card but right befor Nats amongst the players who wish to be competitive.Redemption is already walking down the MtG tournament trail with the top cut T1 at Nationals. Adding a few cards won't be any more jarring than that. What it will do is make the "top players" have to think outside their current box while prepping for Nats, which shouldn't be too hard for them.
I think the other two are fine, but yeah, Guidance is good. I feel like a lot of people won't find space for it though.
There are some fun combos with this guy. Especially if he's wearing Horses.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97804213/Emperor%20Tiberius.png)
I have a feeling RTSManiac or Captain Kirk will find a way to break this one.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97804213/To%20Each%20His%20Own.png)
I couldn't decide between good and evil so how about this?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97804213/King%20Abijam.png)
I have a feeling RTSManiac or Captain Kirk will find a way to break this one.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97804213/To%20Each%20His%20Own.png)
That's to good to be true.
I have them on Three Lions Gaming. :)
On the bottom of all the store pages, there is a link to the full-size images in .zip files: http://www.threelionsgaming.com/images20948583%26kjfi01.html (http://www.threelionsgaming.com/images20948583%26kjfi01.html). Just fill out the form so that I know who is accessing them, and you'll get to the list of card sets!
I can't wait to see the chain of negate enhancements that could happen when these decks face each other. "I withdraw you." "Well I negate that." "Well I negate your negate" "And I negate your negate negating my negate" "And I negate your negate negating my negate negating your negate" "I play Christian Martyr." "Aww......"
Gabe,
Here's to hoping that Cactusgamedesign releases King Manasseh in purple/pale green/orange. I'd so love to see that. I like the Legion of Angels card. Just wish that comic book series had actually come out. Thanks for all the updates.
Gabe,
Here's to hoping that Cactusgamedesign releases King Manasseh in purple/pale green/orange. I'd so love to see that. I like the Legion of Angels card. Just wish that comic book series had actually come out. Thanks for all the updates.
Manasseh wouldn't be orange. The only Orange human character in the game is Damsel (and that's because she was possessed by a demon). He would be Purple/pale green/brown.
Looks good.From the REG
What is the definition of toss?
General Description
A toss ability allows a player to discard an enhancement to decrease an opposing character in battle.
How to Play
A toss ability allows a player to play an enhancement in a different way than usual; instead of activating the numbers or special
abilities of the enhancement, the enhancement is discarded to decrease an opposing character by X/X (where X is the strength
of the discarded enhancement).
Default Conditions
Enhancements disards to the toss ability must come from hand.
The strength of the discarded enhancement is determined by the face valye of the card.
Targets for the decrease must be in battle and controlled by opponent.
correct me if im wrong, but toss looks like a permanent decrease to me, which doesnt bode well for using foreign spearman for more than 1-2 blocks, especially with all of these big enhancements that just got released
Lastly, there are also ways to increase his toughness. I'm thinking Worship of Milcom might come back in style...
All you have to do with Foreign Spearman is set him aside with Covenant with Death or something and your opponent basically cannot play Angel of the Lord or Grapes of Wrath the whole game if they want to win.Doesn't anyone use Ark of the Covenant anymore?
Doesn't anyone use Ark of the Covenant anymore?
what is foreign spearsmen considered? is he the same as foreign wives, or everything, or what?
Hmmm. Either you thought I was talking about Captured Ark, or else you typed DoN instead of AotL.Doesn't anyone use Ark of the Covenant anymore?
I started using it again occasionally after the dom cap, since I don't always find room for DoN.
Hmmm. Either you thought I was talking about Captured Ark, or else you typed DoN instead of AotL.
Or else the depth of your strategy is way too deep for me to comprehend. :)
Twice Afflicted DEFINITELY wins my vote for worst art in the set.But it's very much in style for Bosch.
And don't forget there were a couple of new spears released, which makes him deadly vs. Heroes of */5 or less.
Enhancements disarded to the toss ability must come from hand.
Aren't weapons played twice? I seem to remember that weapons are considered played outside of battle, then also considered played as they enter battle.
And don't forget there were a couple of new spears released, which makes him deadly vs. Heroes of */5 or less.Quote from: REGEnhancements disarded to the toss ability must come from hand.
The current default conditions for Toss in the REG do not permit any WC enhancement from being tossed. This causes a problem, though, because a WC enhancement is played when it enters battle. So Spearman forces the enhancement to be tossed, but it can't because of a conflicting game rule.
Is this one of those times when a special ability overrides a game rule? Do good WC enhancements in battle before FS enters get tossed upon FS entering/activating? What about cards played pre-block (essentially the same thing) - does the instead in effect negate/cancel the enhancement's ability?
Insteads only work if they're in play when the thing they instead happens. Therefore, if a Hero is wielding a weapon then FS can't toss that weapon because the condition (being played) was met before FS's instead was activated. It's like activating RBD after the opponent already played Mayhem. They don't retroactively reveal/discard the cards drawn.
Aren't weapons played twice? I seem to remember that weapons are considered played outside of battle, then also considered played as they enter battle.
-You play an enhancement by attempting to activate its special ability (or numbers in battle)
-You play a character or multicolor site by putting it in your territory or your side of the battle.
-You play any other card type by putting it face up on the playing surface from hand, deck, or discard pile due to your special ability or game action, except when you discard a card from hand.
heres something i just realized, is there some reason there arent any sites or artifacts in the new starters?
its also simpler without weapons and territory class enhancements but those are in there in spades
I agree that it is good that the starter decks are simple, but aren't we just pushing the complexity problem back a step? Yes, I agree that it is far easier to learn a game while you are playing than have to learn a bunch of stuff before you start, but we could just be pushing the problem back a step.
Here is what I'm concerned could happen:
A person sees some starter decks (or someone introduces them to the game and teaches with this super simple cards) and they have a good time. Then once they decide they want to start modifying decks they are hit with 3 new card types they've never seen before (5 if you count covenants and curses as separate from enhancements and artifacts), multi alignment cards, complex abilities and a fairly difficult rules system to figure out (I've been playing this game for something like 8 years, I am a very experienced gamer (when it comes to games in general), I try to keep up with rulings and I am a rules lawyer) and essentially give up at the game.
As long as they don't discover Tartaros.
a good expansion that both is fun, useful, relatively inexpensive ...and has controlled complexity (well worded cards and ...putting the more complex cards at higher raritiesThis is a really interesting idea that I've never thought about before. I like the plan of making cards more rare in a booster pack based more on the complexity of the card rather than the power of the card. Thanks for stirring this thought.
As long as they don't discover Tartaros.
Or Redirects.
a good expansion that both is fun, useful, relatively inexpensive ...and has controlled complexity (well worded cards and ...putting the more complex cards at higher raritiesThis is a really interesting idea that I've never thought about before. I like the plan of making cards more rare in a booster pack based more on the complexity of the card rather than the power of the card. Thanks for stirring this thought.