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Awesome in that case are we going to see an enhancement specifically for Andrew/Peter like sons of thunder for James and John? That would be an interesting thing to add.

Peter is deceptively powerful. D1 on a TGT hero is borderline broken.

Oh c'mon. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. There's way more broken cards to deal with than a D1 TGT hero.

Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.

Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.

All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.

I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.

You need to play demons more than, they are super good.

Quote from: Minion of Jesus on April 26, 2013, 12:17:02 PM

Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.

Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.

You'll still see them in most decks.  I mean Female-only is kept in even though SoG can already rescue.  Don't forget NJ being unable to rescue a soul is still huge.

@Alex: I have played multiple timewith demons and have never found them that useful. They seem to be like angels for evil characters, their only ment for suppport.

All I'm saying is that Disciples have enough speed and the only demon I have faced was winged lion in a Bab defense. I think he should have kept some of his original ability.

I am glad we finally have all good disciples in purple.

FWIW, his original ability (or some variation of it) would not be a good fit in these starters. The ability he does have will be VERY useful in the starters, and in T2 decks of the future (well, T1 too, but T2 moreso).

@Alex: I have played multiple timewith demons and have never found them that useful. They seem to be like angels for evil characters, their only ment for suppport.

I'm quite sure that will change.

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 26, 2013, 02:12:58 PM

The ability he does have will be VERY useful in the starters,

I'm guessing you don't specifically mean the draw, which makes me VERY interested to see the demons in the deck.

"For every time you draw 1 card (and only 1 card), you may discard 10 of your opponent's characters."

The secret is out... I like the redesign a lot. The font would not be my first choice, but this is a huge improvement. Daniel and Lambo have been and continue to be a huge blessing to this community. Their fresh ideas and ways to inspire and challenge one another are a blessing to this game. Ultimately it was one of Daniels redesign ideas I took to Rob and pointed out some things I really liked about it. The main thing Rob took away was that it is time to get the special ability off the card art. That is a major step in the right direction. Thank you to both Daniel and Lambo. Your involvement in the community make this game better!

Let's also note that the redesign was one of the reasons that the set was delayed. We couldn't say that publicly before.

The Peter you see here represents Peter the fisherman from the Gospels. The Peter that was released from prison and was also a prophet comes later, in Acts. Some day if we get to release the early church set there will probably be a Peter with appropriate traits.

I guess it's probably obvious now why I said that there will be absolutely no problem telling the I deck cards from the FooF tin I cards.

FWIW, the redesign wasn't even publicly known to the playtesters. Gabe showed me a quick look at one of the cards at the T2 only, which is the only way I knew a redesign was in the works. I never realized how much I liked the special ability off of the card art until I saw SoG, and now I am excited to see how the rest of the cards look.

Quote from: Drrek on April 26, 2013, 01:48:04 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 26, 2013, 01:27:13 PM

Quote from: Minion of Jesus on April 26, 2013, 12:17:02 PM

Actually, scratch that. The SoG is WAYYYYYY over powered. Now the souls that couldn't be rescued by a anything but a hero are pretty useless.

Good. Now we don't have to see those cards in every deck. I'd kinda like to spread out soul choice again.

You'll still see them in most decks.  I mean Female-only is kept in even though SoG can already rescue.  Don't forget NJ being unable to rescue a soul is still huge.

The female soul is kept in because it basically forces an opponent using "The Deck" to SoG that soul, because it's not going to rescue the NT either. This allows you to have more freedom with your other souls (the Deck really can't afford to just haphazardly Son of God a CBP soul for example because then it could easily lock itself out by accident).

I think negating a soul and giving SoG access to NT and */4 is WAY more important than you think it is for the Deck that's currently considered the Best Deck in Format.

It used to be that you could simply stall an opponent because of this the unrescueability. Maybe this may be better, because it may force some better defense in decks. But still, I don't like it.

My only nitpicks are the fonts and the rounded corners on the image box and text box.

I feel like the title could be larger, or the image box could extend up a bit. That typeface doesnt look like it has very large ascenders / descenders. I also quite liked Grail for the titles, but that one did have the descender issue.

I'm still torn on the rounded corners. There's nothing inherently wrong with them, I just preferred the look of the sharp corners.

From a technical standpoint though, everything looks great.

That's right. The card format is great. It's the ability's I have a disagreament with.

WOW.

Can you say Gifts of the Magi on steroids?

My only fear is that instead of punishing speed decks, it will just further encourage speed vs speed.

First post updated with high-res versions of all 3 cards.

Also curious why there is no cross icon on the ROA3 card?

Also curious why there is no cross icon on the ROA3 card?

Are you just assuming it's ROA3 or did Rob say that wherever you found the leaked image? I'm asking because I honestly don't know his plan for distributing the tin.