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[Rawrlolsauce!]

Apple wants to charge me an extra $400 for 4 GB of ram :c. I didn't know RAM was $100 per GB....

[Cpt.Jaeger]

With windows, assume you start at a $1000 price point.

No.  $500.  I told you.  We just helped RR build one and I believe he splurged on certain components to get up to $700.

Over the course of 5 years, you upgrade it and buy antivirus at $150 per year.

No.  I pay nothing for antivirus or firewall.  Avast + Comodo > pretty much every commercial product except Trend Micro.

You also likely have to upgrade the OS once during those 5 years, which runs you at least $100.

I have been using XP for as long as I can remember, and have no plans to upgrade any time soon.

Cost for 5 years: $1350

That is more than I have paid to keep my desktop in shape for the last TEN years.

ummm..... I was basing that on that you kept your software up2date (OS), that you paid $1000 (which i see was wrong), and this....

You still haven't explained to me what software I had to buy to make my $500 computer build plus $100-$150/yr in maintenance a more expensive purchase than a $3000 Mac (and I've tried to be fair and not list the top-shelf $5k versions).

Ok, I missed the $500 price and now that I know you you run XP, I am curious of the specs of your system. I feel like I'm talking to someone with an outdated computer that is ignorant of recent technological advancements.... Please enlighten me

And no, I got no impression that we were talking about laptops versus desktops when the discussion was "Mac" or "PC" with no distinction regarding the form factor.

I assumed you were talking about desktops when you gave the $3000/$5000 price.... seeing as how with every single hardware upgrade possible a macbook pro can only cost $4500.

[Korunks]

Apple wants to charge me an extra $400 for 4 GB of ram :c. I didn't know RAM was $100 per GB....

Only if you want fruit scented RAM

[Cpt.Jaeger]

@The Schaef- post the system you built. and if it's a desktop or laptop

[Rawrlolsauce!]

Only if you want fruit scented RAM

Thats another thing! Macs are too hard to use. I spent an hour looking for the control key and didn't find it. Eventually I got hungry and pressed the apple key but it didn't give me an apple. So then I was controlless and appleless.

Worst of all, Norton couldn't get rid of the virus I mentioned earlier! I eventually fixed everything by buying a pc.

[Korunks]

Worst of all, Norton couldn't get rid of the virus I mentioned earlier! I eventually fixed everything by buying a pc.

Lol, that should be the solution to all support problems.  Go buy a new machine 

[The Schaef]

ummm..... I was basing that on that you kept your software up2date (OS), that you paid $1000 (which i see was wrong), and this....

That question is the heart of what I'm trying to get at here.  I am told I need to buy all this other software to get my PC to do what I want, and I am trying to figure out what that software is supposed to be.  Other than you assuming I should always upgrade my OS, no one has even suggested to me what that is supposed to mean.

Ok, I missed the $500 price and now that I know you you run XP, I am curious of the specs of your system. I feel like I'm talking to someone with an outdated computer that is ignorant of recent technological advancements.... Please enlighten me

You assume because I passed on Vista and am in no hurry to upgrade to a required 64-bit OS, that I am ignorant of technological advancements?  Can you explain why you came to that conclusion?

I assumed you were talking about desktops when you gave the $3000/$5000 price.... seeing as how with every single hardware upgrade possible a macbook pro can only cost $4500.

Yeah, and you can get Netbooks for $300.  I never disputed that laptops have been cheaper than desktops in recent years.  I am only trying to achieve a common frame of reference, since we seem to have migrated from Windows OS versus Mac OS, to PC hardware versus Apple hardware, versus some kind of a desktop and/or laptop of a PC variety to some kind of desktop and/or laptop of an Apple variety.

My current desktop, to answer your other question, is an AM3 motherboard with an Athlon II X4 640 CPU, 2GB of DDR3 RAM, a GeForce GT220 video card, and a 640GB SATA drive, I think from Western Digital, some OEM DVD-RW I picked up for 20 bucks, Win XP Pro SP3, and an old 17" CRT VGA monitor.

[lightningninja]

Windows 7 was my idea.

[SomeKittens]

XP works fine.  Vista, on the other hand...

[browarod]

XP works fine.  Vista, on the other hand...

There is no Vista, there is only 7.

[SomeKittens]

I don't have much experience with 7.  I plan to, once I get around to getting it from my college's MSDN account.

[browarod]

I don't have much experience with 7.  I plan to, once I get around to getting it from my college's MSDN account.

7 is basically what Vista was supposed to be and should have been. It has the awesomeness without the problems.

[SomeKittens]

I'm well aware of that.  I don't have any personal experience with 7 (can't afford, don't have time), but I've read plenty of reviews, etc.  I did participate in the beta.

[browarod]

I'm well aware of that.  I don't have any personal experience with 7 (can't afford, don't have time), but I've read plenty of reviews, etc.  I did participate in the beta.

Ah, sorry. My bad for misunderstanding.

[SomeKittens]

I hear that it's fairly nifty.  Both my laptop/desktop are due for a reinstall, I'm thinking of going 7 on desktop and Ubuntu on lappy.

[browarod]

I hear that it's fairly nifty.  Both my laptop/desktop are due for a reinstall, I'm thinking of going 7 on desktop and Ubuntu on lappy.

I have 7 on both my desktop and laptop, and I love it, so I can highly recommend having it on at least one of your machines.

[Cpt.Jaeger]

I don't have much experience with 7.  I plan to, once I get around to getting it from my college's MSDN account.

Highly recommended, I did that and dual boot it on my mac.

MSDN ftw

[SomeKittens]

Thanks.  I'll let you know when I get to it.

[Cpt.Jaeger]

ummm..... I was basing that on that you kept your software up2date (OS), that you paid $1000 (which i see was wrong), and this....

That question is the heart of what I'm trying to get at here.  I am told I need to buy all this other software to get my PC to do what I want, and I am trying to figure out what that software is supposed to be.  Other than you assuming I should always upgrade my OS, no one has even suggested to me what that is supposed to mean.

Oh, i don't know. I didn't say you had to get other software.

Ok, I missed the $500 price and now that I know you you run XP, I am curious of the specs of your system. I feel like I'm talking to someone with an outdated computer that is ignorant of recent technological advancements.... Please enlighten me

You assume because I passed on Vista and am in no hurry to upgrade to a required 64-bit OS, that I am ignorant of technological advancements?  Can you explain why you came to that conclusion?

Your right that could have been worded better. Either, A. if you have a 64-bit system, UPGRADE TO 7!!! huge benefits. B. if you don't have a 64-bit system.... clearly a downside to your 10 year upgrade plan

"Every time I do the math, though, I come to the conclusion that the cost of Macs isn't out of whack with that of similar Windows machines. Apple isn't selling $750 notebooks for $1,500 -- its portables tend to use higher-end processors, mostly have aluminum cases rather than plastic ones, are typically thinner and lighter than garden-variety laptops and run longer on a battery charge than many of their Windows brethren. The Microsoft-powered laptops most directly comparable to Apple's MacBook Pro line, HP's Envy models, actually cost more than roughly equivalent Macs."

quote from foxnews.com

from a hardware standpoint-
mac and PCs tend to run about the same speed depending on the level you buy. with macs, you pay an extra $300 for sometimes higher end/longer lasting components.

from a software standpoint- macs haven't not been geared as much for games as windows, thus there are not as many. but if it's media editing, mac are superior. They have focussed on that part of their development.

from an OS standpoint- if you have taken courses or have a degree in OS management or software engineering, you would understand that what makes macs superior to windows is the operating system itself.

Windows Laptops: Pros-
full Microsoft office sweet available
more games available
more options available (3rd party software & hardware)
easier to find machines at a lower price point
etc

Mac Laptops: Pros-
MUCH MORE efficient operating system
has firewire 800 port (rarely found on windows)---- personally very important to me
much more professional and durable design (aluminum)
backlit keys (not common in windows machines
etc


I do a great amount with the Adobe Master Suites, and encode multiple HD videos at a time. I also am constantly transferring up to 500 gb per day to and from dual 2tb hardrives via FW800.  Finally, when I'm on the go checking e-mail and browsing the web, I get over 9 hours out of my mac battery. For me, I have the money and make use of the features that make mac expensive.

Maybe, windows is better equipped for you, but not me.

if you wanted a $500 laptop that was a "better" deal than mac, buy a $500 toshiba laptop, wipe the hard drive, and install snow leopard for $20, then reinstall windows 7 with bootcamp. Then you have all the software benefits of having a mac, all the software benefits of windows, and at a PC price. The only thing missing is the awesome design of MacBooks.

[SomeKittens]

Since when is Fox News a reliable source for technology?

Apple wants to charge me an extra $400 for 4 GB of ram :c. I didn't know RAM was $100 per GB....

Newegg wants to charge me $58 for 4GB.

[Rawrlolsauce!]

And Hyvee charges me like $1.29 per pound of apples.

[YourMathTeacher]

Which makes you more of a fruitcake than the computer-basher-hatas.

[The Schaef]

Oh, i don't know. I didn't say you had to get other software.

Well, wraith or somebody needs to explain this to me, because the software bundled into a Mac is supposed to be what makes the PC more expensive, but I don't know what I'm supposed to be buying to meet this criterion.

Your right that could have been worded better. Either, A. if you have a 64-bit system, UPGRADE TO 7!!! huge benefits. B. if you don't have a 64-bit system.... clearly a downside to your 10 year upgrade plan

There are too many pieces of software/hardware that don't have 64-bit versions/drivers that are reliable.  At my office, in fact, we are handcuffed to XP because the business management software we use tweaks out on 64-bit OS's.  One day I'll jump to 7, or at least take advantage of the XP 64 copy I have laying about the house, but for right now I'm employing the following formula:

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<?php if (!($broke)) {
$fix = "n"
} ?>

I do a great amount with the Adobe Master Suites

Like this, for example.  Since when is Adobe Master Suite packaged with a computer apart from some special bundle?

[Rawrlolsauce!]

A mac is a chick magnet. Ladies love apple.

[browarod]

Ladies love apple.

Sadly, you're right. My roommate's lady friend that was over last night was fawning over my Affy Tapple.