Author Topic: Mandating a style of play? (Read 14497 times)

Warrior_Monk · « **on:** August 17, 2010, 01:04:02 AM »

to stop hijacking this thread

Quote from: crustpope on August 17, 2010, 12:46:41 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 17, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: crustpope on August 16, 2010, 11:48:12 PM
Actually california style makes a whole lot of sense with Evil on one side and good on the other. so if the PTB Do mandate a style, I think it should be California style...

But I woldnt hold my breath about mandating a specific style because all you have to do is ask your opponent what they have showing and they have to tell you.
why not just the style as shown in the rule book?

1. it an get confusing when EC's are converted and then sometimes "slip" back down to the EC level,
2. having to move your heros out of the way every time you block.
3. Artifacts getting lost in all the Fortress/art/discard clutter that happens around the draw pile.
4. Bigger decks need more room to spread out.
5. ...should I keep going?

1: evil convert cards? name 5. now name 1 that is played frequently.
2: this is a problem of table size. we don't have that problem at our playgroup. ultimately, the space turns out the same.
3: I don't remember where the artifacts are in CA style, so I can't comment. with a set style, it shouldn't be a problem.
4: how does CA style solve this?
5: please.

mandating a style would become an uproar though. people don't like change.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:06:42 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 17, 2010, 01:05:40 AM

I'll just repeat myself to make the point abundantly clear to future readers of this thread:

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 17, 2010, 12:48:03 AM
Why not just have a unified standard? ~~i.e. the rulebook~~

P.S. Was 87% an arbitrary picked number or scientific poll?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:09:25 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 17, 2010, 01:05:40 AM

I'll just repeat myself to make the point abundantly clear to future readers of this thread:

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 17, 2010, 12:48:03 AM
Why not just have a unified standard? ~~i.e. the rulebook~~

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 16, 2010, 11:31:52 PM

it'd be nice if the PTB would set up a mandatory placement of cards.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 17, 2010, 12:29:03 AM

why not just the style as shown in the rule book?

I said it first! >:c

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:11:05 AM »

I'm pioneering my own style

Deck goes face down in opponent's territory
Heroes go face up on top of deck so they are flush
Evil characters go face up on the bottom of the deck so they are flush
Lost souls I've rescued go on the bottom of my deck so they are perpendicular
Lost souls in my LOB go on the top of my deck so they are perpendicular
I hold items set aside in my hand
My opponent holds cards removed from the game in his hand
Fortresses go on the top of my deck at a 45 degree angle
Artifacts go on the bottom of my deck at a 45 degree angle
My hand is placed under a table leg beings it is a wobbly table

EDIT: My discard pile will be on the table next to me. If something is placed in my territory (IE: ABOM) I just throw it and let it land wherever. That is its spot.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:12:22 AM »

Nice Quote confusion there, Ring Wraith.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:12:41 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 17, 2010, 01:12:22 AM

Nice Quote confusion there, Ring Wraith.

fixed.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:13:23 AM »

Ok, now I didn't say it first. Darn.

mjwolfe · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:25:43 AM »

So...being from CA and from the contingent that uses the rule book layout, I wish we could call the "alternative" layout something other than CA style. I think that even at Bryon's tournaments lately, the "alternative" style is in the minority.

I do have to admit that even after playing against it for years, it is still somewhat disorienting and you can get confused about where some things are kept. And it's much more difficult in multiplayer where there's less space at the table with most people sitting at an off angle so that people on either side of them can't see their hands.

Mike

crustpope · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2010, 12:26:33 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 17, 2010, 01:04:02 AM

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1. it can get confusing when EC's are converted and then sometimes "slip" back down to the EC level,
1: evil convert cards? name 5. now name 1 that is played frequently.

I was talking about converting evil characters soooo.

The word spreads, sanctifying faith, repentance, preaching the truth, fishers of men, A new creation, repentance and restitution, meeting the messiah, Holy grail, ...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:11:06 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 17, 2010, 01:11:05 AM

I'm pioneering my own style

Deck goes face down in opponent's territory
Heroes go face up on top of deck so they are flush
Evil characters go face up on the bottom of the deck so they are flush
Lost souls I've rescued go on the bottom of my deck so they are perpendicular
Lost souls in my LOB go on the top of my deck so they are perpendicular
I hold items set aside in my hand
My opponent holds cards removed from the game in his hand
Fortresses go on the top of my deck at a 45 degree angle
Artifacts go on the bottom of my deck at a 45 degree angle
My hand is placed under a table leg beings it is a wobbly table

EDIT: My discard pile will be on the table next to me. If something is placed in my territory (IE: ABOM) I just throw it and let it land wherever. That is its spot.

Brutally Honest plays with his LOB up in his hat.

I don't care if you use a different style of play, as long as you clearly explain what everything is. For now, I just go by the rulebook.
Though it really ticks me off when people have a massively disorganized territory.

Red · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:13:50 PM »

"Though it really ticks me off when people have a massively disorganized territory." does sloppy count? or everything outta place?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:17:56 PM »

If you've ever played me, you'll notice that I'm super organized.
Sloppy's ok, as long as you clearly defined where everything is.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:22:48 PM »

DOES THIS PICTURE BOTHER YOU!?!? LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT THE CARDS.

fyero · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:24:32 PM »

I hav always played CA style, and i didnt even kno wut CA style was until midwest regionals when someone i played was like "What's going on in ur territor-...oh ur playing CA style" It's just always made sense to me. Cuz the Heroes are on one side with the LoR separated from the EC's who are on the other side who are guarding the LoB. Arts and forts are in the middle right above the discard pile. Actually one guy asked me if i could move my Holy Grail out of the battlefield lol

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:24:51 PM »

Quote from: RED on August 17, 2010, 01:13:50 PM

"Though it really ticks me off when people have a massively disorganized territory." does sloppy count? or everything outta place?

Dude Clift's cousin has to be the messiest person I've ever played against if you're messier than him I will punch you right then and there at the table. Because, Clift's cousin was this close "" to being punched. He sat there just thinking to time out (illegal) and I could hardly tell his cards apart. Yet somehow due to my crazy draw hge won the t2 game 7-1 and I had just gone against Mr. Hiatus 7-6 (though he was nice enough to let me get 6 instead of 5)

Red · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:36:16 PM »

does heros on top of each other count as messier? I'm good at makeing terratory pile up.

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2010, 01:49:48 PM »

What's wrong with the layout of RTS? Seems easy to find everything quickly. I don't know most of the new cards too, so it's great to be able to click on them and read them, haha.

Daniel

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2010, 03:27:15 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 17, 2010, 01:22:48 PM

DOES THIS PICTURE BOTHER YOU!?!? LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT THE CARDS.

*facetable*

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2010, 05:35:04 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on August 17, 2010, 12:26:33 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 17, 2010, 01:04:02 AM
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1. it can get confusing when EC's are converted and then sometimes "slip" back down to the EC level,
1: evil convert cards? name 5. now name 1 that is played frequently.

I was talking about converting evil characters soooo.

The word spreads, sanctifying faith, repentance, preaching the truth, fishers of men, A new creation, repentance and restitution, meeting the messiah, Holy grail, ...

I was referring to the "slipping back down" part.

that was a fun game. I ran out of heroes and had him locked out. never thought I'd need a CoF...oops.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:41:02 PM »

My territory can get somewhat messy, but I try to keep everything separate, I think my style was a mix of what was in the redemption rulebook and yugioh (yes I took my style from a game that has very different card types and rules). But if someone is confused they can ask me, I almost always know whats going on.

DDiceRC · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:44:35 PM »

The only time something bothered me with an opponent's cards was one who put his redeemed souls in the back row and his Land of Bondage off to the side.

I generally use the rulebook setup, and if space gets tight I stack heroes/ECs by brigade so that their names can be seen. I always let an opponent see a card in my territory if they ask, and will even point out what I have if they play a card that can affect one of mine. (I'm not exactly the most cutthroat player in the Redemption world, though, so take that into account.)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:44:54 PM »

could somebody post pictures of both styles?

DDiceRC · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:49:54 PM »

Here's the rulebook diagram:

Fortresses need to be stacked so they can all be seen. I usually spread them out.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:50:43 PM »

Cali style:

Rawrlolsauce style:

DDiceRC · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2010, 11:52:09 PM »

Is that a Type 2 deck?

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