Author Topic: kickstarter (Read 28566 times)

Chris · « **Reply #75 on:** December 12, 2013, 01:55:23 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 12, 2013, 01:54:10 AM

But this thread will help us to learn whether it's even worth Rob trying to think up crazy awesome stuff. If we get $25,000 based simply on people wanting this to happen, then I think we'd be at a place to get him involved. On the other hand, if we get less than $5,000 then I'd consider this idea DOA, and there's no reason to even bother Rob with wasting time coming up with cool incentives.

Basing the decision of whether or not to bring this to Rob on one thread that's being held during the least active point the forum has ever seen in the five and a half years I've been here doesn't seem particularly wise. It's been proven that there is solid interest in crowdsourcing, and that's with (I would guess) a relatively small percentage of the active Redemption players even knowing about this thread. Any number coming from this thread is going to be arbitrary and not a good representation of the actual support Rob can get. I'm sure that there are many people willing to put together a crowdsourcing campaign, so that, aside from approving all decisions, very little actual work would have to come from Rob on the project. It seems silly not to at least pitch it to him.

One other thought I had is that getting a new foil set doesn't necessarily has to be the fundamental goal of a crowdsourcing campaign. It can start just as a way to ensure that new cards will be available at Nats this coming Summer, by raising an extra several thousand dollars to make the push. Then, if a higher goal is met, it can be a foil set. Higher goals can include more cards in the set, more tournament promos, etc.

STAMP · « **Reply #76 on:** December 12, 2013, 02:06:07 PM »

Which does everyone prefer?

1) Invest personal money/time/effort anticipating a substantial return on your investment.

2) Buy existing Redemption product at retail prices.

3) Donate personal money/time/effort to Cactus expecting no return.

I seldom post clear and concise messages on purpose. I hope to get you to think about why I made a reference or humorous comment. Allow me to be clear. At no time did I say that any of the options above were Christian or un-Christian. At no time did I say that any business, Cactus included, is Christian or un-Christian. At no time did I say that anyone's salvation was at stake or that anything was evil. I simply observed that the discussions, which were primarily about Option 1), appeared to show more concern for self. I added Option 3) based on my reference to the old woman in Luke 21:1-4 who Jesus considered to have given the most.

Personally, I would like to be able to do Option 3), but God has not called me to do that. He has not called me to do 1) or 2) either, but if I had a choice I would want to do 2) whereas my "rich young ruler" reference was meant to imply that I still choose 1) more often than I'd like.

Remember, God is in complete control. It will happen if, how, and when He wants it to happen. This is not to say the discussion of Option 1) shouldn't continue, but consider where your heart stands in the matter.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #77 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:32:05 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on December 12, 2013, 02:06:07 PM

Which does everyone prefer?

1) Invest personal money/time/effort anticipating a substantial return on your investment.

2) Buy existing Redemption product at retail prices.

3) Donate personal money/time/effort to Cactus expecting no return.

I seldom post clear and concise messages on purpose. I hope to get you to think about why I made a reference or humorous comment. Allow me to be clear. At no time did I say that any of the options above were Christian or un-Christian. At no time did I say that any business, Cactus included, is Christian or un-Christian. At no time did I say that anyone's salvation was at stake or that anything was evil. I simply observed that the discussions, which were primarily about Option 1), appeared to show more concern for self. I added Option 3) based on my reference to the old woman in Luke 21:1-4 who Jesus considered to have given the most.

Personally, I would like to be able to do Option 3), but God has not called me to do that. He has not called me to do 1) or 2) either, but if I had a choice I would want to do 2) whereas my "rich young ruler" reference was meant to imply that I still choose 1) more often than I'd like.

Remember, God is in complete control. It will happen if, how, and when He wants it to happen. This is not to say the discussion of Option 1) shouldn't continue, but consider where your heart stands in the matter.

I havnt read this entire thread but enough to be semi up to speed.
I would say 1 (however what is the definition of substantial?)

I am a redemption player, not a redemption donor or owner. I don't donate to a construction company bc they build nice houses, I buy my house.

I don't see any issue with having redemption offer incentives to people who invest in the game.

Side note if it was 100 a box I would get 2

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #78 on:** December 12, 2013, 04:56:26 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on December 12, 2013, 05:31:20 AM

Does anyone else care to make up another 'pretend' kickstarter that can actually be feasible because of practical rewards and incentives?

I'm actually totally fine with that. I just didn't feel comfortable doing that myself since even when I try to be completely unofficial things sometimes come off as semi-official due to being an elder and global mod. If someone else wants to make another thread with different amazing incentives, I'll leave that up to them. And then we could have 2 sets of data to proceed with (the support with smaller incentives and the support with larger incentives). It seems like this thread might be a good place to move in that direction.

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on December 12, 2013, 08:46:19 AM

Creating ONE card that is fully elder-tested and supported is not that out of the question for someone willing to pledge over $1000.00.

I originally included something like this in the rewards but people complained about the idea of being able to "buy into" being a playtester.

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on December 12, 2013, 11:35:05 AM

I am in for at least $500 and maybe $1000 depending on when this is going to happen.

Thanks, I'll add you to the list.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 12, 2013, 01:36:50 PM

I would be interested in at least 2 boxes.

Thanks, I'll add you too.

As for the continuing side discussion about Christian business etc. I'll be splitting all those off when I get the time.

Redoubter · « **Reply #79 on:** December 12, 2013, 09:17:27 PM »

Just stepping back in here to say that I would be down for one box, going in with the limited information we have, as I have enough faith in the product to know that I'd like to continue playing through the next set for sure.

However, I couldn't see myself putting in more without a lot more details, like others in the thread have asked for. I think we all have a different 'threshold' for this sort of thing; some people start at 0 boxes until they see details, some go 5. I'm a 1 box guy

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #80 on:** December 15, 2013, 10:29:08 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on December 12, 2013, 09:17:27 PM

I would be down for one box

Thanks, I'll add you to the list.

Current total = $2900

Chris · « **Reply #81 on:** December 15, 2013, 10:38:58 PM »

Does anyone know what printing service Rob used for the most recent set and how many total cards Rob commissioned any given non-Womens or Warriors booster set?

jbeers285 · « **Reply #82 on:** December 15, 2013, 11:54:07 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 15, 2013, 10:29:08 PM

Quote from: Redoubter on December 12, 2013, 09:17:27 PM
I would be down for one box
Thanks, I'll add you to the list.

Current total = $2900

Don't forget me prof I said I'd be down for 2 boxes

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #83 on:** December 16, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on December 15, 2013, 11:54:07 PM

Don't forget me prof I said I'd be down for 2 boxes

Sorry about that. I'll add you in. And that puts us over $3000. Great start guys

New Raven BR · « **Reply #84 on:** December 16, 2013, 05:46:39 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on December 16, 2013, 01:00:03 AM

Quote from: jbeers285 on December 15, 2013, 11:54:07 PM
Don't forget me prof I said I'd be down for 2 boxes
Sorry about that. I'll add you in. And that puts us over $3000. Great start guys

so far this has been an interesting discussion

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #85 on:** December 16, 2013, 08:12:42 PM »

Quote from: New Raven BR on December 16, 2013, 05:46:39 PM

so far this has been an interesting discussion

We even had a cameo from SomeKittens! Woo-hoo!

New Raven BR · « **Reply #86 on:** December 16, 2013, 10:24:20 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 16, 2013, 08:12:42 PM

Quote from: New Raven BR on December 16, 2013, 05:46:39 PM
so far this has been an interesting discussion

We even had a cameo from SomeKittens! Woo-hoo!

where's he been anyway?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #87 on:** December 17, 2013, 12:18:50 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 16, 2013, 08:12:42 PM

We even had a cameo from SomeKittens! Woo-hoo!

Yeah, it was good to see him still lurking around

lp670sv · « **Reply #88 on:** December 17, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »

I mentioned the kick starter discussion to him and he couldn't resist

AJ · « **Reply #89 on:** December 27, 2013, 08:51:29 PM »

Would be in for 10 packs or more the incentives for me would be a bigger foil set.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #90 on:** December 28, 2013, 04:33:08 PM »

Quote from: AJ on December 27, 2013, 08:51:29 PM

Would be in for 10 packs or more

Thanks, I added you to the running total (currently over $3000).

AJ · « **Reply #91 on:** March 04, 2014, 08:59:57 AM »

Sorry for the Necro I was just curious if this ever got Robs attention and if we were getting a foil set.

Chris · « **Reply #92 on:** March 06, 2014, 01:10:30 PM »

No crowdsourcing campaign has surfaced, and as far as I know, there's still zero information about the new set. Unless a new set is released at the coming Nats though, I think it's safe to pack up and assume that Redemption is about finished.

Master KChief · « **Reply #93 on:** March 06, 2014, 03:54:50 PM »

As much as I would like to agree, I wouldn't dismiss Redemption just yet. It took them two years for the last batch of cards to come out; maybe they're on a 2 year schedule now.

1 year is my threshold though, and I've since moved on to greener pastures because of it.

Chris · « **Reply #94 on:** March 06, 2014, 04:07:59 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on March 06, 2014, 03:54:50 PM

As much as I would like to agree, I wouldn't dismiss Redemption just yet. It took them two years for the last batch of cards to come out; maybe they're on a 2 year schedule now.

1 year is my threshold though, and I've since moved on to greener pastures because of it.

Two years for the last batch of cards is what has, in my personal opinion, killed the game. Think about it, since Nats, the forums have consistently been at their slowest in the five and a half years I've been a part of the community. The late-fall/winter months are often the slowest time of the year, but never like this. If a new set gets released, I think a lot of people who have lost interest (like myself and Westy) will get back into the game and attempt a trip to Nats and everything. If there's legitimately another year between sets though, there's no question that I'll have moved on entirely by then, and I know a lot of people will say the same thing.

AJ · « **Reply #95 on:** March 11, 2014, 05:53:21 PM »

I think if Redemption could come out with a foil set it would save the game. Rarity would make card values go up which would help save the market players would have to buy multiple packs to get what they wanted which would mean more money for Cactus and more sets for us.

Danny Mercury · « **Reply #96 on:** March 11, 2014, 06:13:46 PM »

Quote from: AJ on March 11, 2014, 05:53:21 PM

I think if Redemption could come out with a foil set it would save the game. Rarity would make card values go up which would help save the market players would have to buy multiple packs to get what they wanted which would mean more money for Cactus and more sets for us.

No, the only thing that can save the game at this point would be some decent marketing.

AJ · « **Reply #97 on:** March 11, 2014, 06:27:00 PM »

Well why doesn't CGD team up with Chickfila for promos? Do you know many people would learn about the game and possibly invest in the game? Get TBN to do a commercial and a special TBN promo. Have a tourney at TBN's Holy Lands . Tons of people would learn about the game from the ways mentioned. Make a Redemption tract. There are plenty of ways for Redemption to be better marketed they just haven't been done.

CactusRob · « **Reply #98 on:** March 11, 2014, 07:57:23 PM »

Preface: I have only scanned this thread.

A true booster pack set like Priests appears too expensive. I am hoping to find some middle ground by producing a set like Disciples. Rather than including 4 new cards, perhaps we could include 6 new cards with the remaining 9 cards coming from something we have not used yet. For example, I would be willing to pull the 9 backlist cards from Kings, FoOF and/or RoA packs (say 3 random cards from each set). The theme we are developing is The Early Church.

I already have a quote from Carta Mundi on a set of 220 new cards. Cost is about $35K (Carta Mundi produced the last starter deck cards). 210 cards are for new set card boxes and 10 cards for tournament promos / chase cards. I can set aside more cards for kickstarter / prepaid supporters. I can also get a quote from Ricowell who has produced the sets in recent years and their cost will likely be around $25K.

I am willing to keep Redemption supported with a new set if by God's provision it makes sense. At the same time I am willing to move on if 19 years is the life of this game.

At the very least, I think we should put together a viable kick starter offer and see what happens.

If nothing else, I request your prayers that the Lord "Dad" directs me toward the next step. Thank you, no truly THANK YOU! Some of my best friends are because of this game.

Blessings,
Rob

galadgawyn · « **Reply #99 on:** March 11, 2014, 08:21:23 PM »

Main question: If we can get a set of 220 cards then how is that not enough for a new booster set? I'm pretty sure that is near the size of previous booster sets.

P.S. that theme sounds great. I hope this is not the end. In a few years my kids will be able to play. I'd love to go to tourneys with them.

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