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Quote from: The Marti on December 06, 2013, 03:27:23 PM

Could there be special promos for the Kickstarter? If there was a promo or two that you could only get from the KS, people would be more likely to donate to it if the promo(s) were made well and worthwhile.

But, with the KS promo, it could ONLY be distributed once. No reprints, no redistribution like we do with the NJ promo and other promos now. Otherwise you could end up with angry people who felt like they were ripped off by the KS.

This is an interesting idea, but part of Rob's philosophy over the years is to purposefully make Redemption more accessible than most CCGs.  I understand the desire for a reseller like 3LG or Techno to have something more collectible, but I doubt that Redemption would go that direction.  I'm not saying it's impossible.  There have been a few cards over the years that were only available through an unconventional means (Salvation Army journal subscriptions, World Vision child sponsorship, etc.) that are no longer available.  But these have certainly been exceptions.  So for purposes of this completely unofficial feeler, let's say there are NOT any Kickstarter specific promos.  Based on that what would level would people be willing to support?

Honestly, all of my comments are from a collector perspective. None of what I have been saying has been thinking about reselling, except maybe to take a few cards to try and bundle and sell out the rest of my stock. I'll be very frank, without knowing what Rob's plans are for Redemption over the next five years, I'd hesitate to invest any more in this game. The starters and tin 26 were interesting, but I have not seen a huge renewed interest despite attempts to make this game more friendly for beginners. Maybe others have different results. Also, the set would need to be solid like FooF/RoA II, I believe that the days of the cards that have little use (a great deal of the Priest cards for example) are over. We don't just want large sets, we want large sets that are viable and create multiple ideas for decks. As if this point, I am not sure I would invest. Normally I get enough boxes for 2-4 sets, so it could be as high as 5-8 or as low as 1-2, if I'd support at all.. I want to keep the game going, sure, cause it's a great thing in concept, but not without knowing the direction/future of the game...

I am saying this from a realistic, no one is going to pay you for things that they likely already have. You are going to have to do something exclusive or a kickstarter simply will not work.

What you don't already have is a new large foil set.  And no one has had one for 6 years.  The whole point of the Kickstarter is to raise the funds to be able to pull something like that off.  If people are not willing to contribute to having a large foil set, then perhaps that just isn't the way to go at this time.  Personally I'm still hoping that we can at least have enough people express support here to keep the idea alive.

Red and I have already expressed how we would likely support.  MKC isn't planning on supporting at all.  Techno isn't willing to without getting a 5 yr business plan.  How about everyone else?

Quote from: The Marti on December 06, 2013, 06:33:29 PM

I am saying this from a realistic, no one is going to pay you for things that they likely already have. You are going to have to do something exclusive or a kickstarter simply will not work.

What you don't already have is a new large foil set.  And no one has had one for 6 years.  The whole point of the Kickstarter is to raise the funds to be able to pull something like that off.  If people are not willing to contribute to having a large foil set, then perhaps that just isn't the way to go at this time.  Personally I'm still hoping that we can at least have enough people express support here to keep the idea alive.

Red and I have already expressed how we would likely support.  MKC isn't planning on supporting at all.  Techno isn't willing to without getting a 5 yr business plan.  How about everyone else?

Then you are looking for donations, not crowdfunding like you would with Kickstarter. Or, you're just looking for people who would do preorders for a future product.

Know that I'm saying this from a marketing angle. I'm not trying to discourage anything or trying to get something exclusive because I think I'm special. I am speaking from what I know about marketing and crowdfunding. Yes, kickstarters are to bring out a new product, but you will have to either A) do it in an LCG format or B) offer something exclusive to the kickstarter. I would give money to it. I believe in what Rob is doing through Redemption. But I'm looking at it from the angle that everyone else would look at it from.

I dont think a Kickstarter is a good method for a TCG. If the game were rebooted as a LCG then I would support but im not willing to pledge for a "randomized" product.

Oh and I HATE tiered products in a competitive game! Do you guys really want a repeat of the Soldier of God, Seeker of the Lost and Faith Servant cards?

This is why I said the promos would go to all who participate in the KS. That's the point of the group (stretch) goals, they give gifts to everyone, whether you buy 1 pack or 10+ boxes...I did not want promos to go to those who could afford to donate more vs. less .

If it helps I would probably buy 3-5 boxes regardless of what incentive there is.  Obviously the perks, extras, incentive, what ever we come up with might prompt me to get more.

2 boxes

3-5 boxes regardless of what incentive...perks, extras, incentive...might prompt me to get more.

5 boxes again for this new set.

This is a GREAT start guys.  That puts us at 1,500 already with only 4 people (counting myself) included.  Let's see if we can get some more people to jump on board as well.

we're already on page 2 and im already lost on what we're talking about lol

Basically if we are going to have a new booster pack come out there is a chance that Rob would possibly ask us to pay it forward to help offset the cost of the new set.  If you would be willing to buy x amount of boxes, how many would you buy?

what would contain in said boxes?

A "box" in this case would include 45 foil packs, each containing 10 random cards (including 1 Rare or UR) from the new set that we are currently developing.  For comparison, it would be like a box of Angel Wars packs (except even more awesome cards of course).

100.00 per box, 4.00 per pack, 45 packs per set

Quote from: New Raven BR on December 09, 2013, 09:23:12 PM

what would contain in said boxes?

A "box" in this case would include 45 foil packs, each containing 10 random cards (including 1 Rare or UR) from the new set that we are currently developing.  For comparison, it would be like a box of Angel Wars packs (except even more awesome cards of course).

I dont want to be spoiler tastic or anything... but I thought the current set in development wasnt supposed to be a "booster" set... Reason being the costs for making a "booster pack" is far more expensive in comparison to making a TexP style set where Rob can package the product on his own...

100.00 per box, 4.00 per pack, 45 packs per set

 
For those of us for whom $100 is still a lot of money, would there be an option to buy in by packs instead of by box? I'm not sure I can fork over a hundred bucks, but I'd be more than willing to put in twenty for five packs.

I wouldn't advance anything under almost any circumstances