Author Topic: iPhone 5 (Read 8201 times)

Master KChief · « **on:** September 12, 2012, 04:13:56 PM »

Out on September 21st! Thinnest and lightest iPhone ever. 4 inch Retina display. LTE. Processor double the speed of the previous model. So beautiful. Brings a tear to my eye.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/#video

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:39:29 PM »

While that iPhone doesn't look bad, I'm still quite fond of my Galaxy S3.

It'll be interesting to see which phone comes out on top this time.

For a comparison: (note, the US version of the S3 runs a 1.5 Ghz dual core, vs the 1 Ghz Quad they put in the iPhone 5)

Master KChief · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:01:02 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 12, 2012, 04:39:29 PM

For a comparison: (note, the US version of the S3 runs a 1.5 Ghz dual core, vs the 1 Ghz Quad they put in the iPhone 5)

The A6 specs actually haven't been revealed yet.

There is less than zero percent chance the iPhone won't come out on top again. Apple could tape a ham sandwich to this

and people will still buy it.

Samsung also owes Apple a billion dollars. Because Samsung doesn't do much besides imitate and steal patents.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:08:15 PM »

One major point for the S3 over the iPhone.... SD card memory. I was able to swap out the 16GB card from my old droid when I upgraded.

Master KChief · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:19:41 PM »

Lol, SD? Wasn't that so last millennium? I can't even remember the last time I have ever needed an SD slot. Who needs SD (portable storage more importantly) when you have 64 GB monster storage built in coupled with iTunes and iCloud?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:25:27 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 05:19:41 PM

Lol, SD? Wasn't that so last millennium? I can't even remember the last time I have ever needed an SD slot. Who needs SD (portable storage more importantly) when you have 64 GB monster storage built in coupled with iTunes and iCloud?

Galaxy S3 can do 64 GB built in and up to 64 GB on the micro SD cards.

Master KChief · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:38:03 PM »

The 64 GB version isn't even out yet (hard not to see as another move copying Apple since Samsung creates the processor and memory chips for Apple).

You could have support for a googolplex GB SD card and it still wouldn't matter. Portable storage is on its way out, it's completely obsolete in this day and age.

STAMP · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:54:36 PM »

Exactly. Here's the interface of the near future:

Also, impatiently waiting for my iPhone 5 here at work.

lp670sv · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2012, 07:25:46 PM »

A few things to note here.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 05:01:02 PM

Samsung also owes Apple a billion dollars. Because Samsung doesn't do much besides imitate and steal patents.

Apple is not only a company that has a documented history of copying others work, but used to be very open and even PROUD of that fact. Apple has stolen hundreds of design and software features of Android, the jailbreaking community, and yes even some from Microsoft. Some of the "innovations" that Apple claimed Samsung stole from it's iPhones are present on earlier devices by other companies that just didn't patent them because HOW CAN YOU PATENT A RECTANGLE WITH ROUNDED EDGES.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 05:19:41 PM

Lol, SD? Wasn't that so last millennium? I can't even remember the last time I have ever needed an SD slot. Who needs SD (portable storage more importantly) when you have 64 GB monster storage built in coupled with iTunes and iCloud?

Yeah go ahead, you pay for the extra $200 to get an iphone with 64 gb storage. I'll buy a Galaxy SIII for $200 less than your iphone, buy a 64 GB SD card for $60, and have 86 GB of total storage for 140 bucks less. Android also has Google Drive for their cloud sharing.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 05:38:03 PM

The 64 GB version isn't even out yet (hard not to see as another move copying Apple since Samsung creates the processor and memory chips for Apple).

You could have support for a googolplex GB SD card and it still wouldn't matter. Portable storage is on its way out, it's completely obsolete in this day and age.

Wait, what? Read that back to yourself. Samsung is copying apple by using 64 GB when SAMSUNG IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE 64 MB CHIPS? That doesn't make any logical sense and apple is far from the first company to make a device with 64 GB of flash storage, and they certainly don't own any patents on flash storage technology. How can you say portable storage is on it's way out when your iphone IS a portable storage device? How could portable storage be on it's way out at all? Cloud streaming? not everything in the world has the ability to connect to cellular networks or availability of wifi, cellular networks dont cover every inch of the globe, and why would ANYONE choose streaming something over cellular, and act that costs you money, over having it to use whenever they want extra fee free.

Gabe · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2012, 07:45:27 PM »

Both Apple and Samsung make quality hardware. Whether you use internal, SD or cloud storage is up to your personal preference. The big deal breaker here is the OS.

Android works well at first but it doesn't take long to get buggy, sometimes extremely buggy to the point of completely unusable. I've owned multiple Android devices and all ended up the same - junk.

iOS may have it's built in limitations but it works just as good after months of use as it did when I first got it.

Bottom line - I'll never waste my money on a product running Android again. I'd gladly pay extra to purchase an Apple product that doesn't cause tons of frustration and need replaced after a year or less.

Master KChief · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 12, 2012, 07:25:46 PM

Apple is not only a company that has a documented history of copying others work, but used to be very open and even PROUD of that fact. Apple has stolen hundreds of design and software features of Android, the jailbreaking community, and yes even some from Microsoft. Some of the "innovations" that Apple claimed Samsung stole from it's iPhones are present on earlier devices by other companies that just didn't patent them because HOW CAN YOU PATENT A RECTANGLE WITH ROUNDED EDGES.

My statement was more tongue in cheek than anything. And whether it's been proven or not that Apple has stolen ideas from predecessors is neither here or there; at least Apple has the common sense to patent its property and make a free billion bucks off it.

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Yeah go ahead, you pay for the extra $200 to get an iphone with 64 gb storage. I'll buy a Galaxy SIII for $200 less than your iphone, buy a 64 GB SD card for $60, and have 86 GB of total storage for 140 bucks less. Android also has Google Drive for their cloud sharing.

I prefer having more internal storage than messing around with extra accessories for my device that are absolutely useless in 99% of most cases. What's the point when you can just buy more on-board memory if you need it? Save a few extra dollars? Not worth the inconvenience. The iPhone 5 also has a $200 and $300 model.

And let's be realistic, does anyone ever need 86 GB of memory on their phone? I have a 32GB iPhone 4s and barely use over 17GB of it.

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Wait, what? Read that back to yourself. Samsung is copying apple by using 64 GB when SAMSUNG IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE 64 MB CHIPS? That doesn't make any logical sense and apple is far from the first company to make a device with 64 GB of flash storage, and they certainly don't own any patents on flash storage technology.

I'm not sure how you're making any correlation at all between the fact Samsung makes the 64 GB memory chips and the actual practice of implementing 64 GB of storage in a phone before a competitor. Apple is the first to do it. Samsung follows suit. Samsung salty much?

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How can you say portable storage is on it's way out when your iphone IS a portable storage device?

Lulz no, it's a phone and multi-media device first and foremost. Seriously, who uses their phone as portable storage? Samsung apparently, with their portable storage...uh, for a portable storage device?

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How could portable storage be on it's way out at all? Cloud streaming?

You answered your own question. It's a technology that completely makes portable storage obsolete, and frankly it's quite irrelevant how many people have access to it when we're talking about cellular devices here.

lp670sv · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM

My statement was more tongue in cheek than anything. And whether it's been proven or not that Apple has stolen ideas from predecessors is neither here or there; at least Apple has the common sense to patent its property and make a free billion bucks off it.

In the world of technology we tend to call patenting other peoples innovations, that they willingly left unpatented so as not to impede progress, being a dork. <-- although that was not a swear word, it did not say dork when i typed it.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM

I prefer having more internal storage than messing around with extra accessories for my device that are absolutely useless in 99% of most cases. What's the point when you can just buy more on-board memory if you need it? Save a few extra dollars? Not worth the inconvenience. The iPhone 5 also has a $200 and $300 model.

And let's be realistic, does anyone ever need 86 GB of memory on their phone? I have a 32GB iPhone 4s and barely use over 17GB of it.

Yes and the 200 and 300 dolllar models only have 16 and 32 gigs of none upgradable storage respectively. I would hardly call over a hundred dollars "a few extra dollars" How exactly is expanding a phones memory "completely useless"? Should you ever exceed the storage on your phone (which some people do) I don't think you'll find it useless anymore. There is no possible situation in which upgrading your storage size can be a negative, only a positive and one that the iphone lacks.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM

I'm not sure how you're making any correlation at all between the fact Samsung makes the 64 GB memory chips and the actual practice of implementing 64 GB of storage in a phone before a competitor. Apple is the first to do it. Samsung follows suit. Samsung salty much?

Being the first to implement 64 gbs of memory in a phone is an irrelevant topic to discuss, they didnt invent that technology and they werent the first to implement it. I was the first person in my house to get a laptop, that doesnt mean that everyone else getting one is just copying me by getting one, they had their own driving factors in purchasing one.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM

Lulz no, it's a phone and multi-media device first and foremost. Seriously, who uses their phone as portable storage? Samsung apparently, with their portable storage...uh, for a portable storage device?

You store 17 gbs of stuff on your iphone by your own admission, your argument is invalid.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 09:10:33 PM

You answered your own question. It's a technology that completely makes portable storage obsolete, and frankly it's quite irrelevant how many people have access to it when we're talking about cellular devices here.

its not irrelevant when you are still charged extra money and a lot of it if you go over your monthly data limit. One high definition movie streamed on netflix, by their own estimation, represents one gig of data per hour. Thats half of most major carriers data plans for one hour of a movie. there is no situation in which having that same movie on your phones memory and playing it from there could be anything but a huge benefit.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2012, 10:11:27 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 12, 2012, 09:43:29 PM

How exactly is expanding a phones memory "completely useless"?

Because it's not necessary in most cases.

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Should you ever exceed the storage on your phone (which some people do) I don't think you'll find it useless anymore.

A limited and rare scenario. Should you exceed, use Cloud. Problem solved.

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There is no possible situation in which upgrading your storage size can be a negative, only a positive and one that the iphone lacks.

There are many bells and whistles you could attach to a phone, but are truly unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. Sure, its a positive to have access to these things, but the practicality of including such a feature is almost null. I will gladly sacrifice minutely 'positive' aspects that can possibly be included in a mobile device for other features that add much more value to the phone.

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Being the first to implement 64 gbs of memory in a phone is an irrelevant topic to discuss,

But it completely is, one of my points has been addressing how Samsung rides on the coattails of Apple. One billion dollars worth of rides.

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they didnt invent that technology and they werent the first to implement it.

Never said Apple invented it. And my point was more specifically addressing who implemented it first between Samsung and Apple, the worlds 2 biggest mobile device companies, if I have to clarify it further for you.

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I was the first person in my house to get a laptop, that doesnt mean that everyone else getting one is just copying me by getting one, they had their own driving factors in purchasing one.

If everyone else in your house were as big a competitor as Apple and Samsung, then maybe your point would have some validity.

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You store 17 gbs of stuff on your iphone by your own admission, your argument is invalid.

That certainly doesn't make it by any means a device built solely for portable storage. All of my content is backed up on iTunes and iCloud, much more appropriate areas for sole storage. You actually haven't addressed my point at all.

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its not irrelevant when you are still charged extra money and a lot of it if you go over your monthly data limit. One high definition movie streamed on netflix, by their own estimation, represents one gig of data per hour. Thats half of most major carriers data plans for one hour of a movie. there is no situation in which having that same movie on your phones memory and playing it from there could be anything but a huge benefit.

So find a carrier that offers unlimited data if you're that much of a dataphile. Problem solved, external storage devices still obsolete.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 10:11:27 PM

So find a carrier that offers unlimited data if you're that much of a dataphile. Problem solved, external storage devices still obsolete.

Unlimited Data is vanishing QUICKLY.

Verizon no longer offers it (though I got grandfathered in, woohoo!)

Also, mobile gaming is growing pretty quickly. I bought that NOVA 3 game, and it takes up almost 2GB by itself.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2012, 10:39:27 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on September 12, 2012, 10:11:27 PM
So find a carrier that offers unlimited data if you're that much of a dataphile. Problem solved, external storage devices still obsolete.

Unlimited Data is vanishing QUICKLY.

Verizon no longer offers it (though I got grandfathered in, woohoo!)

Both T-Mobile and Sprint still offer unlimited data plans.

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Also, mobile gaming is growing pretty quickly. I bought that NOVA 3 game, and it takes up almost 2GB by itself.

Cloud gaming is also on the rise. OnLive, Agawi, and even the near future Ouya are embracing the future of cloud gaming.

lp670sv · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2012, 11:43:33 PM »

I dont have time right now for a full response but ill just leave this here

Master KChief · « **Reply #16 on:** September 13, 2012, 12:32:29 AM »

Found a more expansive side-by-side comparison chart:

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STAMP · « **Reply #17 on:** September 13, 2012, 11:44:44 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 12, 2012, 10:26:34 PM

Unlimited Data is vanishing QUICKLY.

Do y'all realize how much data is cr@p?!? LOL! I'm pretty sure that if I go back and re-read Megatrends, the author did not foresee that the greatest accomplishment of the technological revolution is the selling of a gajillion useless bytes for an exhorbitant price.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #18 on:** September 15, 2012, 12:49:59 PM »

Want to know which will come out on top?

Spoiler (hover to show)

STAMP · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2012, 01:07:34 PM »

I just weally hope they fix Siwi. The voice wecognition was cwappy.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2012, 01:32:13 PM »

Jimmy Kimmel did a "man on the street" experiment where he had a cameraman and interviewer go out with an iPhone 4s and tell people it was an advance release of the iPhone 5 to see how much it had improved. I can't post it here, as it unfortunately includes an offensive word, but he got a bunch of people, even some iPhone 4s owners, to say how much the iPhone 5 had improved over the previous model.

Not really making a point about anything, I've been just fine with my Android, but I just thought it was funny.

Master KChief · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2012, 03:29:31 AM »

Benchmark results are in...iPhone 5's A6 dual-core processor puts it ahead of the Samsung Galaxy S3 quad-core, and all Android-based devices for that matter. Come at me bro.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #22 on:** September 17, 2012, 09:05:59 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on September 17, 2012, 03:29:31 AM

Benchmark results are in...iPhone 5's A6 dual-core processor puts it ahead of the Samsung Galaxy S3 quad-core, and all Android-based devices for that matter. Come at me bro.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1038647

Orly?

lp670sv · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »

lol nice try dude.

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2012, 05:27:26 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 17, 2012, 09:05:59 AM

Quote from: Master KChief on September 17, 2012, 03:29:31 AM
Benchmark results are in...iPhone 5's A6 dual-core processor puts it ahead of the Samsung Galaxy S3 quad-core, and all Android-based devices for that matter. Come at me bro.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1038647

Orly?

Orly. That is clearly an S3 running Android 4.1, which isn't available for the S3. Nice try, dude. -_-

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