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Invention of the Sword...
« on: May 04, 2010, 10:24:19 AM »
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While reading the Bible, I ran across something that I have read many times before, but that I just now realize is an anachronism in today's language...

Quote from: Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

So...who invented the sword as we know it? From the description here, it doesn't sound like this is a normal kind of sword. Somehow it flamed and "turned every way" (like a lightsaber...or a flaming porcupine). But obviously it was a tool that the angels had, and was intended to inflict harm or block people out. Adam wouldn't have had a need to invent anything like this (unless Eve was a real stinker), so this object must have been invented by someone above.

Is it possible that somehow man discovered the technology of swords from angels? If so, what else might we have learned from the heavens in the early days? Or, is the word "sword" used here because there was no better word to describe this strange artifact at the time this book was written? If so, it is still a mystery as to what this thing really was...

I have no background information on this, I do not know the original Hebrew text, and I do not have access to a good commentary, but this struck me as odd. I hope someone can illuminate.


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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 10:26:09 AM »
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I've never thought about that before...

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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 11:01:59 AM »
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Just a thought..

In Revelation, John often uses language of his day to try to describe something that he doesn't really understand.  In Revelation 8:8 he says "The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea."

Maybe "sword" is just the closest thing to whatever it is the flaming object was. :)

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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 12:11:04 PM »
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Possibly,thats an intresting topic. :rollin:
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 01:20:39 PM »
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I actually was pondering what kind of swords the Israelites/Other peoples of their time used, this question is right in line with this one so if anyone has an answer for it, I'd love to know.
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 02:08:56 PM »
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The Watchers gave much instruction to man before the time of the flood, and continued somewhat after.
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 02:49:03 PM »
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The Watchers gave much instruction to man before the time of the flood, and continued somewhat after.
I would like to know more about this...
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 09:17:06 PM »
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That's interesting Bubblehead. I'd have to side with D-man that it's the closes thing to compare it to, and that it wasn't actually a sword.
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 09:24:29 PM »
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The Watchers gave much instruction to man before the time of the flood, and continued somewhat after.
I would like to know more about this...
the book of Enoch. non-canonical, but I'm pretty sure it was considered.

lightsaber ftw. this is an interesting thought.

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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 09:38:22 PM »
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I have a feeling that Tubal-Cain, a descendant of Cain, made the sword.  From Genesis 4:22,

Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of [a] bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain's sister was Naamah.   

I think that he is the first man to make metal tools, and I am sure that swords were included in this, or at least knives or other sharp tools.
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 10:27:57 PM »
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I was pretty sure angels did not invent the sword as we know it, but that it was just a word used for this strange object which may not have even been known about in the time of writing. I just kind of wanted to confirm this and raise awareness of this odd passage. I also wanted everyone to know how thmart I em. ;D

The Watchers gave much instruction to man before the time of the flood, and continued somewhat after.
I would like to know more about this...
the book of Enoch.
I have heard so much about this interesting book. I think I'm going to make studying this my focus once my AP tests are over.

lightsaber ftw. this is an interesting thought.
A flaming porcupine would be more practical.
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 10:55:38 PM »
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........or maybe it was a flaming sword which turned every way. Literally. just my thought.


Also, a new card idea:

Flaming Sword
Silver 2/3 WC GE
"You may place this card on a site or fortress to negate it."
Genesis 3:24

I think the card would work better as a type of place/protect as indicated in the scripture.
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Gen. 3:24
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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 10:19:10 AM »
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It seems highly probable to me that it was a flaming porcupine.  That would be awesome.

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Re: Invention of the Sword...
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2010, 01:28:24 PM »
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It seems highly probable to me that it was a flaming porcupine.  That would be awesome.
And our God is an awesome God, so therefore he must have thrown flaming porcupines at Adam and Eve. I wonder why Biblical scholars haven't picked up on this yet...?
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