Author Topic: Interesting discussion I had in class today. (Read 2783 times)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **on:** January 10, 2011, 12:46:42 PM »

Is praying during a test cheating?

The Guardian · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2011, 12:53:37 PM »

Prayer is the right response in any situation.

Ironica · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2011, 01:32:51 PM »

Lol. Nice.

However, we should not pray for the answers but that God will help us remember what we studied.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:00:04 PM »

Also to calm you. That helps me.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:01:28 PM »

Depends on how you define cheating. I can see it going either way.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:17:50 PM »

For reference, I agree with Justin. Even if my professor said "no books, no classmates, no God" I wouldn't have a moral objection to praying. However, that doesn't mean it isn't cheating.

@Ironica: I know this is how most people think

. But, for this discussion, lets assume you pray for answers and not memory skills.

I just thought this was really interesting. Because when you go into a test, it is assumed (at least in that class) that the only source allowed is what you know, and if God were to give you the answers (which I don't believe He would, but that doesn't matter with my definition of cheating) that would be violating that implied agreement.

Also, my definition of cheating: The attempt (whether successful or unsuccessful) to obtain information from sources that have not been allowed, whilst having reason to believe that said sources are not allowed.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:20:24 PM »

Then I would say yes, based on that.

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:50:46 PM »

Quote from: Ironica on January 10, 2011, 01:32:51 PM

Lol. Nice.

However, we should not pray for the answers but that God will help us remember what we studied.

I see nothing wrong with asking the Lord to help you to guess correctly too. It's up to God if He helps you, but I say go for it.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2011, 06:45:04 PM »

Well, God is omnipresent, so he exists in you. It's implied that all of the answers are from a source inside you, so it's ok.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2011, 01:41:31 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2011, 06:45:04 PM

Well, God is omnipresent, so he exists in you. It's implied that all of the answers are from a source inside you, so it's ok.

What if I eat my history book?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2011, 01:50:48 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2011, 06:45:04 PM

Well, God is omnipresent, so he exists in you. It's implied that all of the answers are from a source inside you, so it's ok.

Using that logic, Somebody in Nigeria knows your bank account number.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 11, 2011, 01:50:48 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on January 10, 2011, 06:45:04 PM
Well, God is omnipresent, so he exists in you. It's implied that all of the answers are from a source inside you, so it's ok.
Using that logic, Somebody in Nigeria knows your bank account number.

You would think after the many times I've given it to that guy that he'd remember, but I have to keep giving it to him every time one of his friends' multimillionaire grandparents dies. You'd think they'd write it down.

On another note, as soon as I get the £5.000.000,00 he owes me, I'm totally going to buy some more Disciples packs.

adotson85 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:32:01 AM »

So even if you do ask for answers during your prayer, is it cheating that you are asking a source everyone has access to? I would say not. It is like asking the teacher for an answer to a question. If he gives you the answer, did you cheat?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2011, 01:07:53 PM »

If that source isn't allowed, yes. Everyone would have access to a textbook, too.

Ironica · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:13:46 PM »

However, open book tests are one of the hardest ones (next to take home tests).

TheJaylor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:53:12 PM »

Well I would say that God lives in you for a purpose and no one is able to stop you from praying. Obviously God knows the best for you to help you and if he feels like you deserve it he might help you but it is up to him whether to help us not us whether we want to pray or not. And besides God says to pray in difficult circumstances and if your teacher says not to pray when you're having a hard time on a test who would you listen to and who knows what is best for you? God obviously.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2011, 01:06:13 AM »

This whole thing makes me think: If I were about to take a test on Quantum Mechanics (Which I know absolutely nothing about), had never read any of the materials covered in the exam, and all of the answers were very similar to each other with only slight differences, and I prayed and asked God to provide the answers, I don't believe He would (Considering I had the time and opportunity to study the materials).

Here's why: You don't know the answers, and tests/exams are designed to gauge your knowledge of the subject; so if God gave you the answers and allowed you to pass with a 100%, that would be the same as lying because you don't know the answers. God commits no sin. However, if you attended every class, paid full attention, and briefly scanned/read over your notes/the material before the exam, I'm pretty positive God would help you remember the details. There is a difference between learning the material and memorizing the material.

The other explanation for a 100% on the Quantum Mechanics exam would be pure chance that you picked the right answers (The difference being that you just chose answers rather than choosing answers because you now all of a sudden know which answers are right).

Simplified: If you had the opportunity to learn the material and didn't, I don't think God would help you. If you were faced with questions you couldn't possibly have the answer to and were not given the opportunity to study the material, I think He would help you (Such as on who wants to be a millionaire

)

-C_S

joeycauldron · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:36:33 PM »

If their definition of "God" was a statue that had the answers carved in the back, then yes, that would be cheating. But asking God for the answers I wouldn't count as cheating. It is his will to give you the answers or not and most likely it is not.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2011, 09:17:13 AM »

Quote from: joeycauldron on January 13, 2011, 09:36:33 PM

But asking God for the answers I wouldn't count as cheating. It is his will to give you the answers or not and most likely it is not.

Most likely, but it was taken into account that He does. Would that be cheating.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2011, 01:14:10 PM »

I'm taking a test. I text my buddy George "Whats the answer to _______?". He texts back, "I AINT TELLIN YOU BUCKO". The teacher catches me and I'm given ISS for cheating, not attempting to cheat. Whether you get the answers or not doesn't matter.

This seems pretty clear-cut cheating so as long as it is clear prayer isn't allowed. Morally wrong? No. Cheating? Yes. What gets interesting is the following scenario:

Your instructor specifically states that you're not allowed to pray during a test (if he doesn't, I feel it is a safe assumption there is a mutual agreement that it is acceptable, and therefore won't be considered cheating anyway). You do anyway (which is the right move imo). You turn in the test. Do you feel obligated to tell him you cheated? I think it is a fair statement to say that there is an expectation that you shouldn't cheat during a test, and there is a mutual agreement that you conformed to that expectation. Are you now lying by omission? There is a misconception that you didn't clear up.

Keep in mind this is 99% theoretical, considering most people would pray for the ability to retrieve what they know more easily and almost no instructor would make it clear praying is cheating, in which case I'd argue it defaults to being "ok".

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