Author Topic: Inception (Potential Spoilers) (Read 18826 times)

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #25 on:** August 04, 2010, 04:58:41 AM »

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A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it. I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).

It was hyped up so much b/c it was one of the best movies ever made...
Anyway I don't really see your point being valid on inception. It's about dreams, not a Philosophy IMO.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #26 on:** August 04, 2010, 05:44:59 AM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on August 04, 2010, 04:58:41 AM

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A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it. I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).
It was hyped up so much b/c it was one of the best movies ever made...
Anyway I don't really see your point being valid on inception. It's about dreams, not a Philosophy IMO.

Well, the whole idea of life potentially being a dream stems from Descartes' Dream Theory. Actually, the Matrix was pretty much based completely off Descartes; even some of the lines in the movie. Descartes was/is a famous philosopher, and this movie reminds me of a few philosophical arguments. Thus, my dislike of it. And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #27 on:** August 04, 2010, 11:38:17 AM »

So because the movie reminded you of The Matrix you don't like it?

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #28 on:** August 04, 2010, 03:38:21 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on August 04, 2010, 11:38:17 AM

So because the movie reminded you of The Matrix you don't like it?

No, I said it's because it reminds me of a few philosophical arguments. I'm not a fan of secular philosophy.

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #29 on:** August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM »

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And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Finally! Someone else who agrees!

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2010, 04:13:19 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM

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And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Finally! Someone else who agrees!

Yay! The beginning of the I Really Disliked the Dark Knight Movie Because Everyone Hyped it Up (Or I.R.D.D.K.M.B.E.H.U for short) Clan!!

Kyp Henderson · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2010, 07:45:37 PM »

So what secret handshake are we going to have? What secret password? Or is it just not going to be a secret!

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2010, 07:47:17 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 07:45:37 PM

So what secret handshake are we going to have? What secret password? Or is it just not going to be a secret!

I'm not sure yet... but I have a feeling our conversation is being watched. ESPIONAGE!!!!

Ironica · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2010, 10:55:21 PM »

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM

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And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Finally! Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert

. I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had). I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end). I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2010, 11:01:25 PM »

Quote from: Ironica on August 04, 2010, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
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And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Finally! Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert . I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had). I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end). I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.

The Christian media has been talking up the suicide to get out of dreams, but frankly, I didn't see it being that big a deal or trivializing suicide. I understand you not wanting to see it having expirienced it, but after seeing the movie, I see that criticism a straw gasp to add an additional bad item to a movie that the Christian reviewers view as based on bad philosophical thought.

Just my

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #35 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:39:47 AM »

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As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end).

Go see it, don't go off someone else's opinion, especially if you wanted to originally see it. There was not suicide in it.

JSB23 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:56:41 AM »

The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.

sk · « **Reply #37 on:** August 05, 2010, 03:20:05 AM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on August 05, 2010, 02:39:47 AM

There was not suicide in it.

I'm pretty sure there was, although it depends on your interpretation. One person is shown jumping to what is said to be their death near the climax of the film, and they speak as though they are committing suicide, but I've seen several alternate interpretations that say otherwise. It sure looks that way, though. Although it was only a few moments, I could certainly see it being uncomfortable (to say the least).

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #38 on:** August 05, 2010, 09:29:06 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 02:56:41 AM

The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.

The thing you have to realize about Christian teenagers is that they will try to compartmentalize their lives so that they can lead lives of holiness in some areas, while in other areas they can continue to follow their natural desires instead of wanting God's best.

In order to not feel badly about this inconsistency in their lives they will try to minimize the sinfulness that is glorified in movies/games/music/etc. that they want to listen to, and will blow off the advice of Christian media reviewers and other more experienced Christians that God has put in their lives for them to learn from.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #39 on:** August 05, 2010, 12:51:40 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 05, 2010, 09:29:06 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 02:56:41 AM
The thing you have to realize about christian media "reviewers" is that they will make a huge deal about anything and blow it way out of proportion.
The thing you have to realize about Christian teenagers is that they will try to compartmentalize their lives so that they can lead lives of holiness in some areas, while in other areas they can continue to follow their natural desires instead of wanting God's best.

In order to not feel badly about this inconsistency in their lives they will try to minimize the sinfulness that is glorified in movies/games/music/etc. that they want to listen to, and will blow off the advice of Christian media reviewers and other more experienced Christians that God has put in their lives for them to learn from.

Ouch... I'd say that's a win but I hardly got the impression that suicide was "trivial." In fact, up until I started reading this topic on the forum, Inception being related to suicide never crossed my mind (And believe me, I've had to deal with suicide stuff personally). Anytime in my dreams when I supposedly "die," I wake up. Whenever I get injured in my dreams, I don't feel it. It made complete sense to me that the way you exit a dream is either by death, or the dream collapsing due to waking/consciousness of the dream. For very young audiences, I can see where there is A LOT of stuff in Inception that would need explaining, but being that I'm 19, I never got the impression via Inception that suicide was ok.

-C_S

JSB23 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:09:28 PM »

Okay then....
This is a direct quote from focus on the Family's review of Inception
Layer 2: Inception's content centers on its suicide-fueled violence—which trivializes the act of self-annihilation. In doing so, we're forced to a place where, looking through the eyes of some characters, suicide appears to be a convenient, beneficial out from a reality you don't want anymore: Let's scrap this world, because the real one—presumably a better one—lies beyond. In this ethos, suicide isn't an act of desperation or despair, but one of hope and promise. So I can't help but wonder how someone who is already toying with the idea of ending it all would view this film—if they might look through the eyes of a "suicidal" character and find their own tragic longings mirrored there.

Too all who have seen Inception:
Is this true?
Do any characters (other than that one) commit suicide?
Does the movie actually encourage suicide?
Or does it show suicide as a horrible thing that ruins lives?
I've wrestled with severe depression and suicidal thoughts for years and I saw nothing that encourages suicide in the movie

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #41 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:15:46 PM »

No that review is way out of proportion and taken to an extreme. There is no actual suicide. I repeat: NO ACTUAL SUICIDE. I can not explain it due to spoilers so I will not give details but it is not suicide whatsoever. The movie's setting is a dream! So how could you commit suicide in a dream? That review is just trying to bash a film because they took it the wrong way. It is a great movie, yes some wards are in it, but other than that great movie, not gory or anything. Anyone contemplating suicide would not say, "Hey it's a friday night, I'm gonna go see a movie." That review does not say one good thing about the movie. It has great effects, a great story line, and superb acting. Where was all that in the review? All it did was say, there is suicide so do not watch it because if you are sad you will kill yourself. Did I just take their review a little too literal? Well they took the movie too literal as well.
/ end rant

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #42 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:31:51 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on August 05, 2010, 02:09:28 PM

Too all who have seen Inception:
Is this true?
Do any characters (other than that one) commit suicide?
Does the movie actually encourage suicide?
Or does it show suicide as a horrible thing that ruins lives?
I've wrestled with severe depression and suicidal thoughts for years and I saw nothing that encourages suicide in the movie

I saw the movie, and no, just that one. If anything, I'd say the theme of the movie was "It's ok to kill other people; after all, it's only a dream." <- That's sarcasm people. No, the only thing I personally would be worried about is the idea of not being secure in what your perception of reality is. If this movie makes you think that right now, you are dreaming, and that you need to do something about that, then yeah, there's a problem. However, the movie was very tactful in explaining why you AREN'T in a dream

Spoiler (hover to show)

, and I'd only be worried about very young audiences being exposed to the philosophy of losing grasp on reality because you don't know for sure whether or not you're awake.

...Or are you?

TheJaylor · « **Reply #43 on:** August 05, 2010, 02:41:16 PM »

that long post made me a bit sleepy but otherwise i'm wide awake

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #44 on:** August 05, 2010, 04:42:45 PM »

Quote from: KoalaKingofFortressAlstad on August 05, 2010, 02:41:16 PM

that long post made me a bit sleepy but otherwise i'm wide awake

Which one haha!!

sk · « **Reply #45 on:** August 05, 2010, 07:34:28 PM »

Okay, here's a brief summary of the scene. At the time the scene is shown, it is presented as if reality, but you can decide for yourself if it would bug you:

Spoiler (hover to show)

The film doesn't encourage suicide, showing it as something that destroyed Cobb's life, relationship with his kids, etc, and presents the person that jumped as being somewhat crazy and confused.

Ironica · « **Reply #46 on:** August 05, 2010, 09:06:44 PM »

Mr Hiatus:

Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted? If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.

Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide. There is a girl who desiced to do one last fun thing before commiting suicide so she went to a Skillet concert. After hearing the song "Last Night", she gave her life to Christ. The point of the story (for this discussion anyways) is that you can never say for certain what people will do before going through with it.

Back to the review now.

From what I read, the reviewer actually liked the movie. They were just giving a warning about that aspect of the movie (which is their job).

JSB23 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 05, 2010, 09:19:06 PM »

Quote from: Ironica on August 05, 2010, 09:06:44 PM

Mr Hiatus:

Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted? If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.

Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide. There is a girl who desiced to do one last fun thing before commiting suicide so she went to a Skillet concert. After hearing the song "Last Night", she gave her life to Christ. The point of the story (for this discussion anyways) is that you can never say for certain what people will do before going through with it.

Did you actually see the movie?

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #48 on:** August 05, 2010, 09:25:33 PM »

Quote from: Ironica on August 04, 2010, 10:55:21 PM

Quote from: Kyp Henderson on August 04, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
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And everyone in the world but me seemed to like the Dark Knight, so don't fret.

Finally! Someone else who agrees!

I guess you can call me a convert . I first loved the movie but after watching a movie that was soaked in prayer and I could see God working through it, I was convicted about how dark TDK was (plus a couple other movies I had). I ended up getting rid of them.

As for Inception, I was looking forward to it until I read about all the suicide parts (especially near the end). I lived with it for a long time so I don't like to watch movies that heavily involves it.

Yay!! We're 3 members strong now!!

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #49 on:** August 05, 2010, 09:34:39 PM »

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Did you happen to read the entire review or just what was posted? If you haven't read the whole thing, then you can't really judge it.

Of course I only read what was posted because that was the point of the conversation at the time, and what was being argued. It was just part of the review that he posted, and I only commented on that part. So why would I go read a whole review when he posted only an excerpt, because that excerpt was the only part of the review that we were discussing. To sum it up, he posted a part of the review that had to do with what we were talking about, so why go read the rest of a review if it is not about what we are discussing?

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Also, some people do go do something fun one last time before committing suicide.

Ok you are comparing a Skillet concert to going and see a movie...

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Did you actually see the movie?

If you're asking me, then yes I saw it.

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Author Topic: Inception (Potential Spoilers) (Read 18826 times)

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