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Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« on: July 20, 2010, 01:06:06 AM »
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Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.

Not to spoil anything, but the only complaint I have is the last 10 seconds of the movie. But the simultaneous "WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" at the end of the movie made me chuckle.
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 10:01:33 AM »
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It was definately one of the best movies I have seen in a long time. I am unsure of its exact place in my hierarchy, but it is certainly at least top ten material.

You didn't like the ending? I thought it was very appropriate. Considering the basic theme of "What is real?", I thought the idea that reality might be a dream in and of itself was a worthy way to end the movie.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 01:06:33 AM »
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I really, really enjoyed Inception when I went to see it today, I believe that it will become our generations version of Bladerunner.

There is equal (In my mind anyway) evidence for both camps (Dream and Reality) and a multitude of situations that can be analyzed for both camps.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 01:19:11 AM »
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I don't think that the movie is best viewed in such a harsh, contrasting view such as dream and reality. One of the most livid criticisms I have heard from Christian sources is that the movie trivializes suicide (You kill yourself to get out of dreams, etc, etc). I think that the line of thought behind that criticism is what makes the movie so unique and powerful. Ultimately, Inception is asking you "What is reality?" For Cobb, reality had become his sedated dreams of Mal, and by the end of the movie, his reality was back onto "the real world", or at least his children. I think that when you examine Cobb's character progression, you find a character who is supposed to be the viewer. Ariadne functions as the viewer in some parts in order to explicitly discuss the "physics" of the dreamworld, but I think Nolan is truly guiding us on a quest for real. Nolan has masterfully guided us, in the guise of Cobb, into a search for what is the reality of life, what truly matters. Ultimately for Cobb, it was the reality that he was reunited with his children, be it in dream or reality. In contrast, Mal's reality was that there is no reality. I think the main drive of the story is supposed to create a thought inside the viewer of what exactly real truly means. Cobb repeatedly states that if you are in a dream for so long, it no longer is a dream, but a life. I think that line is a good summary of the overall message and theme of the movie - reality is what you make of it.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 01:31:55 AM »
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I would tend to agree that those aren't the best terms to view it in, however inevitably that will be the way that it is discussed. I don't really disagree with any of your points - But I don't think Cobb is the viewer - Fischer is. Cobb acts more as a director, taking him through the story, tricking his mind, forcing him to ask what reality is. Fischer has the revelation of emotion at the end with the wheel. Then Cobb gets to go home (as a director would after finishing filming)


Also, this is just my initial reaction after seeing it the first time around. I'll need to see it at least twice more before I can solidify my opinions on it. The first time I watched to watch, now I'll need to watch to understand.
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 01:38:25 AM »
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You should read this article. It's another really interesting idea on the dream theory.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 01:43:04 AM »
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I'm trying not to read any articles until after I've seen it at least a second time to cement my own ideas. But I'll keep it in mind.
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 01:43:18 AM »
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I think it was ok. I wouldn't give it as high of ratings as everyone else seems to be. Maybe 7 our of 10 or so?

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 01:47:32 AM »
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I'm trying not to read any articles until after I've seen it at least a second time to cement my own ideas. But I'll keep it in mind.

Ahh. I might go see it again tommorow and view it in light of the various articles I have read, to see if it helps elucidate specific theories. I saw it in IMAX last time though, and I don't want to cough up that money again, but if I don't it will look only half as good I am afraid.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 01:48:32 AM »
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I've never been a big fan of IMAX. I'll probably see it over the weekend again.
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 04:05:03 PM »
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my only complaints are the holes in the movie, as well as the science never explained since i am a sucker for the science
Hole: the totems. She made it then it was never shown again. What is the point? a concept that vanished from the movie
no science: it never actually said HOW people got in the other's dream. so strange. also the moment one realizes they are in a dream, their conscience becomes active (called lucid dreaming) and they can make the dream into whatever they want. They should have at least thrown SOMETHING in there to explain the whole idea. All they used was theoretics   :P
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 03:46:25 PM »
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If you think the totems where unimportant then you must have fallen asleep half way through the movie....
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2010, 03:52:16 PM »
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my only complaints are the holes in the movie, as well as the science never explained since i am a sucker for the science
Hole: the totems. She made it then it was never shown again. What is the point? a concept that vanished from the movie
no science: it never actually said HOW people got in the other's dream. so strange. also the moment one realizes they are in a dream, their conscience becomes active (called lucid dreaming) and they can make the dream into whatever they want. They should have at least thrown SOMETHING in there to explain the whole idea. All they used was theoretics   :P


You realize that seeing as it is fantasy, spoiling specifics would simply make the movie less believable, right?

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2010, 04:13:17 PM »
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Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2010, 04:34:14 PM »
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Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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dude BB stunk
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2010, 04:42:36 PM »
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Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ

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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2010, 05:13:35 PM »
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In the end, his kids look exactly the same as he remembered them years ago... hmm.....
Maybe the top was Mal's totem, and his totem was his children's faces... hmm.....

IMO, Cobb was the target for inception.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2010, 05:15:00 PM »
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So I saw Inception last night with the good Professor, and man did I have some weird dreams last night...haha   ::)

It was definitely one of the best movies I have ever seen. The storyline and execution were pure awesomeness. The whole theater shook at some points. The guy next nearly jumped out of his seat several times, which was sort of entertaining, actually. Then at the end, the whole theater took one collective gasp. So good.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2010, 05:42:42 PM »
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Anyone else see Inception yet? It's by far one of the best movies I've seen and it has earned its place as #2 on my favorite movie list, only behind #1 which is The Dark Knight coincidentally.
in my top ten for sure, but Batman Begins is definitely my number 1. TDK is #5.

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dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ
That would be great if I could see what was going on
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2010, 12:19:38 AM »
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dude BB sucked
LIES. it had ninjas, awesome character development, ninjas, an intense enemy (fear itself), ninjas, music by Hans Zimmer, ninjas, Alfred. and NINJAZZZZ
That would be great if I could see what was going on
A. Bubbleboy doesn't suck. he's one pretty cool guy. B. They're ninjas. you aren't supposed to see them. duhh. and C. when was the last time you watched that movie? I've never had a problem with seeing what's happening.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2010, 03:07:36 AM »
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I only read the thread, not any posts. I just saw this movie a few hours ago... AMAZING.

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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2010, 05:09:38 AM »
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Unquestionably the best thing I've seen this year.  Unless the Coens or Eastwood have an epic hit, this thing will sweep the Academy Awards.  I need to give it some time before deciding whether I think it is "all-time greatest" material, but at the moment, I think it might be.

Many people have been comparing this to The Matrix, but that isn't accurate at all.  The closest thing I've seen to it is a Polish film from 2001, Avalon (which had somebody getting confused between reality and a computer simulation, and included an identical trick ending), but this is clearly a better picture than either.  Stellar cast, direction, and cinematography -- something I've come to expect from Nolan's cronies.  The fight scene with Joseph Gordon-Levitt was amazing, and I really hope that his surprisingly minor role in the film is because Nolan is grooming him for a role in Batman 3 (or any other Nolan project for that matter).

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As for why the science and tech weren't explained, Alex is right on.  There is a "rule" in storytelling based on Star Trek: if the characters in the world accept their tech as real, we will too.  That is why we don't need explanations from Walter as to why his zany ideas work on Fringe, or why we never see diagrams as to how the DeLorean actually time travels -- the viewer is willing to just accept the tech since they can remain focused on the story and characters.  (I do agree that people like the science, and that's exactly why there are movies and shows that do this, but it makes it harder for general audiences to both become emotionally attached to the characters and focus on the story's ideologies when you're paying attention to how things work.)

On a side note, I was required to take two psychoanalysis of film courses in college.  I'm glad I got through those before this film came out or I'd be sick of this thing pretty quickly.  I've never really subscribed to the idea that the mind treats a film as it would a dream, which I could yammer about for too long, but Nolan certainly has me thinking.

PS - If anybody has seen Avalon, PM me with what you think.

I saw it in IMAX last time though, and I don't want to cough up that money again, but if I don't it will look only half as good I am afraid.
FWIW, unlike much of The Dark Knight, this wasn't shot on IMAX cameras... just normal 35mm ones.  It may look better at its native resolution, unless you simply like the oversized screen.  I had no complaints at 35mm.
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Re: Inception (Potential Spoilers)
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2010, 09:47:30 AM »
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Yeah, I know it was not shot in IMAX, but I do enjoy the larger screen that fills your entire vision, as well as less previews  ::)

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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2010, 02:22:17 AM »
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the one thing worse than having the science not explained is when they explain the science and it is stupid.  IF I have to watch a movie that uses 'Unobtanium" as some exotic metal that has fantastical properties...I think I am gonna puke.
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2010, 02:37:11 AM »
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Saw it last Tuesday... I'm still having a difficult time deciding whether or not I actually liked the movie.  The FX were really good, but I severely dislike most things related to secular Philosophy.  I'm a very analytical person and I tend to think of things in a VERY logical manner and Philosophy is based on Logical Arguments.  Rather, it's based on coming up with an argument/theory that seemingly cannot be disputed by logic. 

A lot of things went on in Inception and I'm starting to lean towards disliking it... just like I dislike the Dark Knight <- (But that's because everyone hyped it up so much before I saw it.  I ended up having super high expectations for it and was quite disappointed once I actually saw it).

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