Author Topic: Inception (Potential Spoilers) (Read 18768 times)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #75 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:16:30 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on August 06, 2010, 02:29:03 AM

Really? could have fooled me.

I understand why you may have that perspective. But just because I believe my worldview, and try to communicate it doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree. Of course I do kinda hope for that to happen, but I recognize that I have many Christian brothers and sisters who see things differently

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 06, 2010, 02:30:28 AM

JSB (who you directly quoted) didn't insult them

Actually I think that accusing the Christians (who are volunteering to review movies to aid other Christians to make wise viewing choices) of twisting things for selfish reasons is insulting.

However, I admit that my initial response to JSB was also probably insulting, and I apologize for communicating that way.

JSB23 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:32:31 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 06, 2010, 03:16:30 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on August 06, 2010, 02:29:03 AM
Really? could have fooled me.
I understand why you may have that perspective. But just because I believe my worldview, and try to communicate it doesn't mean that I expect everyone to agree. Of course I do kinda hope for that to happen, but I recognize that I have many Christian brothers and sisters who see things differently

what about the argument you and I and YMT had a little while ago?

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #77 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:39:08 AM »

What, the debate about Christian accountability?

Just because we have a debate about something doesn't mean that anybody is going to change their particular views on the matter - YMT, Prof U, and Others will continue to post when they find content they deem objectionable, Just as you will continue to post asking them not to, it is unfortunate that it happened so closely back-to-back in this case. But I don't feel either of you are in the wrong for doing so, except perhaps, in Prof U's, and most definitely in yours; the way you come across tone wise with those comments.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #78 on:** August 06, 2010, 09:10:52 AM »

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There was an AND OTHER ANIMATED MOVIES added to that. Children are more impressionable and thus, are susceptible to influence.

Children are susceptible to more things, but if they don't understand the subtle message, than they can't be impressioned by it.

They don't understand suicide or what bad words mean/why they're bad, so what's ya point? (I'm really not trying to start a debate.)

But they do understand violence. In primitive terms, it is concievable that a 7 year old would come out of Inception saying "maybe if I hurt myself, I will get somewhere else!". The same child will never come out of Lion King and say " I should go worship animals!" or "I should save the rainforests!" or "This tree has the same life energy as I do!".

That's not true of all children, and there is always "That one kid" (

) who might put action to what they've seen. My parents exposed me to alcohol, cigarettes, and wrestling (On Tv) when I was a kid, and not once, did I attempt to put action to the violence that I witnessed. Plus, I don't think most 7 year olds have enough attention/memory span/ cognitive understanding to even follow a movie such as Inception. I think it quite fair for a 10 year old to be able to understand SOME of the concepts of The Lion King that are questionable (Such as the promotion of laziness by Timon & Pumbaa)

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BubbleBoy · « **Reply #79 on:** August 06, 2010, 09:13:34 AM »

I would love to participate in this discussion, but you guys talk too much.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #80 on:** August 06, 2010, 09:23:15 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 06, 2010, 09:13:34 AM

I would love to participate in this discussion, but you guys talk too much.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #81 on:** August 06, 2010, 09:46:27 AM »

I won't be seeing this movie because I just read a Christian website review that said:

"After watching this movie, people have immediately logged on to message boards and starting arguing and insulting each other. Other side effets include nausea, headaches, nosebleeds, sleeplessness, and back pain. In some rare cases, it has been known to cause hair loss and difficulty breathing. Consult your doctor first if you are taking antidepressants or drink a lot of prune juice."

The Schaef · « **Reply #82 on:** October 25, 2010, 10:00:19 AM »

Wow, I was all excited that I finally got to see this movie and could enter this thread without spoiling anything for myself.

Looks like I'm about two months late for anything related to the concepts portrayed in the movie, unless I just want to talk about whether Christian movie reviewers exaggerate things to suit a particular worldview.

Which is a shame, because the material in the movie is far more compelling than any of that.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #83 on:** October 25, 2010, 01:19:38 PM »

I would love to talk about this movie's concepts. Nolan is a genius of our time. In a past time, he would have been a great novelist.

The Schaef · « **Reply #84 on:** October 25, 2010, 02:49:35 PM »

I'm not sure that's the case. He tells good stories, yes, but nothing particularly revolutionary unto themselves. What makes film a medium where he shines, is that he is brilliant at using his direction as a storytelling device unto themselves.

His two earlier movies are not age-appropriate to discuss here, but as another example, The Prestige opens by explaining to you how a magic trick works. That way you understand, at the very end, that the movie itself unfolded in the three parts of a magic trick and had that big TA-DA in the final scene. Inception works in this same way; it tells a story of people moving in and out of dreams and struggling to keep the difference straight between reality and varying levels of dreaming, and it does this in a way that simulates their description of a dream state. You start a lot of sequences in the middle, not knowing how you got there; you accept some things as they are explained to you, and realize only later that it's actually inconsistent and your mind revolts against it; you wind up having a really hard time discerning how much of what's taking place is "real" and how much of it is merely "dreamed".

That to me is what makes it so brilliant; it is a movie about dreams, presented to the viewer very much like a dream.

crustpope · « **Reply #85 on:** October 26, 2010, 04:01:06 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 06, 2010, 12:02:20 AM

When why did his kids look the same as he had remembered, many years prior >:c.

Same clothes and everything >:c.

>:c

I agree, I think that the whole movie was a dream. I think the sequel will bring that to light....if there is a seqel

As far as whether it is appropriate for christians or not, I think it is a bit ridiculous to say that this movie promotes suicide. Any intelligent and critical thinking person can easily deduce that suicide is only a medium used in this movie to "wake" up from dreams. I think it is a bit shameful for organizations like focus on the family to get caught up in that and become harbingers of fear than to correctly interpret the movie.

This is, of course, one of the reasons I detest Focus on the Family to begin with so I guess it is not surprising that they would take and argue that position.

Ironica · « **Reply #86 on:** October 26, 2010, 04:33:34 PM »

Please read the entire review before bashing it. If you have read the entire review, you would know that they were not bashing the film because of it but mearly giving parents a caution about it and nothing more.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #87 on:** October 26, 2010, 04:56:55 PM »

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As far as whether it is appropriate for christians or not, I think it is a bit ridiculous to say that a movie has questionable elements to it. Any intelligent and critical thinking person can easily deduce that the overall movie is fine. I think it is a bit shameful for organizations like focus on the family to get caught up in that and become harbingers of fear than to correctly interpret the movie.

This is how comments like this sound to me. How dare a Christian organization try to even warn other Christians ahead of time so that they can make an informed choice as to whether they want to watch a certain movie? We should just detest organizations like this and just go watch whatever movies Hollywood puts out. After all, why be any different from the World, right?

The Schaef · « **Reply #88 on:** October 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM »

So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #89 on:** October 26, 2010, 10:57:41 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on October 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM

So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?

Exercise discernment, sure. But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really? That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with. Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with. But "shameful"....really?

crustpope · « **Reply #90 on:** October 26, 2010, 11:11:30 PM »

If you are arguing the value of biblically related movie reviews then I have no objection.

I have objection when those reviews suggest to me what I should and should not do. Just give me the facts, dont give me your opinion laced with your own adgenda

Quote from: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: The Schaef on October 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM
So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Exercise discernment, sure. But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really? That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with. Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with. But "shameful"....really?

Shameful that Focus on the family would set aside their biblical call to preach christ crucified and spend an excessive amount of their time and resources pushing a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.

Shameful that they choose to engage in the idolatrous worship of "Christianity ....AND Political Power"...as if Jesus alone is not enough.

I have had my fill of Focus on the Family. You can have your own opinions but if you want to impress your views upon me, I will warn you that while I dont discount all of what Dobson says, I dont listen to much of it.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #91 on:** October 26, 2010, 11:18:42 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on October 26, 2010, 11:11:30 PM

Shameful that Focus on the family would set aside their biblical call to preach christ crucified and spend an excessive amount of their time and resources pushing a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.

This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #92 on:** October 26, 2010, 11:23:21 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on October 26, 2010, 11:11:30 PM

I have had my fill of Focus on the Family. You can have your own opinions but if you want to impress your views upon me, I will warn you that while I dont discount all of what Dobson says, I dont listen to much of it.

I'm not forcing my views on you any more than you are on me. We're both simply stating our perspectives for the other person to read and do with what they will.

As for Dobson, he's not even with Focus on the Family anymore, so perhaps your information is a bit out of date. It also seems to me that you have kept your focus on the parts of Focus that you disagree with/don't like. I would encourage you to recognize that there is also a lot of good stuff that has come from that organization over the years.

I know that my parents really appreciated several books about raising a strong-willed child back when they had to parent me full-time. I also know that as a teenager, I really gained a lot from the magazine called BreakAway that came from that organization. I also know that there have been several people on this forum who have stated that they really appreciate the movie reviews at PluggedIn (although I personally use the one's at ChristianSpotlight). My point is that there is good stuff, too.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 26, 2010, 11:18:42 PM

This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.

And so often these days, liberals can become anti-Christians instead of anti-conservatives. Debate the conservative/liberal issue, don't attack Christian organizations who are trying to do what they believe God is calling them too (unless they are promoting something anti-Biblical).

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #93 on:** October 26, 2010, 11:30:46 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 11:23:21 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 26, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
This right here is HUGE. So often these days, we can become anti-democrats instead of Christians.
And so often these days, liberals can become anti-Christians instead of anti-conservatives. Debate the conservative/liberal issue, don't attack Christian organizations who are trying to do what they believe God is calling them too (unless they are promoting something anti-Biblical).

That doesn't avoid the issue that Christian media is just out to get the liberals at times.

JSB23 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 26, 2010, 11:32:47 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 10:57:41 PM

Quote from: The Schaef on October 26, 2010, 06:38:48 PM
So we should exercise discernment about the movies we watch, but we should not exercise discernment about the reviews we read?
Exercise discernment, sure. But "detesting" Focus on the Family....really? That organization may be more conservative than some Christians identify with. Or they may be more outspoken or political than some Christians are comfortable with. But "shameful"....really?

I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #95 on:** October 27, 2010, 12:00:13 AM »

Quote from: JSB23 on October 26, 2010, 11:32:47 PM

I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion

You'll need to cite some references for such a claim, otherwise you just sound like a rebellious teenager.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #96 on:** October 27, 2010, 12:59:52 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 27, 2010, 12:00:13 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on October 26, 2010, 11:32:47 PM
I don't know why you're defending Focus on the Family because they say parents should "coach" their teenagers and we all know that leads to teenage rebellion

You'll need to cite some references for such a claim, otherwise you just sound like a rebellious teenager.

Maybe the one rebellious teenager that his parents "Coached"? lol

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #97 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:52:36 AM »

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a conservative political even when it conflicts with the gospel.

Proof or it didn't happen. No tenant of conservative theory contradicts the Bible.

Ironica · « **Reply #98 on:** October 27, 2010, 02:53:04 AM »

Pluggin is like a sandwich. It starts out with the critic opening the movie in their own words (the top piece of bread), then they list the facts of the movies in different catagories (the meat/cheese) and then a conclusion with their opinion of the movie (the bottom bread).

So if you don't like their opinions, instead of bashing them, skip the bread and go straight to the meat.

The Schaef · « **Reply #99 on:** October 27, 2010, 07:44:59 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on October 26, 2010, 11:23:21 PM

I'm not forcing my views on you any more than you are on me. We're both simply stating our perspectives for the other person to read and do with what they will.

Yes, but the thrust of your perspective seems to be that having a strong opinion against an organization of people is equivalent to rebellion against God. That would be the kind of exaggeration that is prompting their backlash against the organization in the first place.

And bear in mind that I listened to Dobson's radio program for a number of years and have several of his books in the house. So I am not approaching this from the standpoint of being the "hater".

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Author Topic: Inception (Potential Spoilers) (Read 18768 times)

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