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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2010, 11:32:55 AM »
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It is but most people know God as God. Not Yahweh.(I prefer Elohim)
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2010, 11:34:10 AM »
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Where does this doctine come from?   NOWHERE in the bible does it say God could sin.
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where does it say he can't?
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Re: God
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2010, 11:36:53 AM »
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Where does this doctine come from?   NOWHERE in the bible does it say God could sin.
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where does it say he can't?
Where does it say He can? If one is capable of sin he will sin. If on is capable of talking he will talk sooner or later. So if He can sin he would sin and no longer be God would he?
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Re: God
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2010, 11:43:47 AM »
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Where does it say He can? If one is capable of sin he will sin. If on is capable of talking he will talk sooner or later. So if He can sin he would sin and no longer be God would he?
I am capable of doing a lot of things that I have never and will never do.  I have the ability to cuss in this post for instance.  I have a keyboard with those letters on it.  I know how to spell the words.  My fingers are working.  But I'm not going to do it.

Also, the Bible says that Jesus was tempted just like we are tempted (but did not give in to that temptation).  If it was truly IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to sin, then there really wouldn't have been any temptation.  It is the fact that Jesus COULD have sinned, and yet chose NOT to, that is so amazing.

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Re: God
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2010, 11:44:33 AM »
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where does it say he can't?
Where does it say He can?
You seem a little confused. Where does the Bible say that God can turn you into a frog? I'm pretty sure nowhere. But does that mean he cannot? No. Because he is God. We naturally assume that he can do anything unless the Bible says that he cannot. In this case then, we do not need to find a passage that says God can sin. We need to find a passage that says he cannot or else we must infer that he can. Not the other way around.
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Re: God
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 11:52:38 AM »
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Anyways what was the purpose of this thread? Quit trying to understand God it makes my head hurt just thinking abhout it.
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Re: God
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »
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If we don't ask questions and explore possibilities we remain ignorant and stop learning :) thats a bad thing by the way.
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Re: God
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2010, 12:13:37 PM »
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Quit trying to understand God
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Re: God
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2010, 01:04:42 PM »
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Also, the Bible says that Jesus was tempted just like we are tempted (but did not give in to that temptation).  If it was truly IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to sin, then there really wouldn't have been any temptation.  It is the fact that Jesus COULD have sinned, and yet chose NOT to, that is so amazing.
I love this argument, but it seems so ridiculous at times. the fact that Jesus was human and could have sinned but didn't is almost incomprehendable.

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Re: God
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2010, 01:54:38 PM »
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James 1:13-15
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
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Re: God
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2010, 02:24:38 PM »
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Hebrews 4:14-15
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

I admit that it is somewhat difficult to align these apparently contradictory passages in the Bible, but here is my attempt.

The author of Hebrews and James must be using the word "tempted" in slightly different ways in the two passages of scripture above.  Based on the context, the author of Hebrews is using it in the standard way that we use it today.  In other words, it is talking about a pleasing presentation of the option to sin.  He clearly says that Jesus experienced this, but did not succumb to that presentation, but instead avoided the sin.

The context of James on the other hand, seems to indicate that he is using temptation as something that necessarily leads to sin.  Since Jesus did not end up sinning, then James is saying that He therefore must not have experienced this type of temptation.
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Re: God
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2010, 02:48:58 PM »
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Hm... I must say that this has become much more interesting than the opening topic.

I have always believed that it was contrary to God's very nature, and God's very essence, to sin, and therefore he could not do it.

And I believe the reason this debate will never end is that we are simply using the word "God." That doesn't solve anything. God the Father, I believe, cannot sin. God the Holy Spirit, likewise, is infinitely holy. God the Son, however, who is both 100% God and 100% man, can sin and as Prof pointed out, was tempted thus.

Therefore, I believe it comes down to a matter of your understanding of the Trinity. All three distinct persons of God are the same, yet they are unique. It is difficult to comprehend yet I believe Biblically confirmed. So therefore God the Son was tempted; God the Father was not. And I believe the verses you are taking about are talking about different persons of God. Now although I have absolutely no understand of the Trinity, like any human, the overly simplistic way I always viewed the Trinity was that they are the same entity, yet three distinct persons.

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Re: God
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 03:07:45 PM »
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It [the Trinity] is difficult to comprehend yet I believe Biblically confirmed.
Actually I don't find the Trinity hard to understand really.  I explain how I see it here.

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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2010, 03:54:19 PM »
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I wonder, what is the exact definition of sin?
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2010, 03:56:53 PM »
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Prof, I couldn't access that link.  :)
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2010, 04:04:31 PM »
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Re: God
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2010, 04:05:58 PM »
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I can't either...
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Re: God
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2010, 04:12:49 PM »
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Prof, I couldn't access that link.  :)
No problem, I'll copy and paste it below:

Many people have asked me over the years about how to understand the idea of the Trinity of God. With my background in science, I have found the best example to be one of the most common molecules on Earth...H2O!

Everyone is familiar with H2O, it can be a solid (ice), a liquid (water), or a gas (steam). They all three have different properties, but are still the same molecule. For instance, some forms are easier to see or touch than others.

They also have different primary purposes, but are still all the same molecule. Ice keeps things cold, Water quenches our thirst, and Steam can power an engine. Similarly, the Father determines the will of the entire Trinity, Jesus restores our relationship with God, and the Holy Spirit guides and comforts us in our daily lives.

Finally, they can all be in the same place at the same time. In science there is a phenomenon called the "triple point". At a certain temperature and pressure, a pure substance can be in all three forms at the same time.

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Re: God
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2010, 04:15:36 PM »
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My question is THIS, Why would he WANT or NEED to? God does nothing without reason.
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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2010, 04:24:56 PM »
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My question is THIS, Why would he WANT or NEED to? God does nothing without reason.
NO ONE does anything without a reason. That's called an accident, and God does not make accidents. :)
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« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2010, 05:05:03 PM »
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This question does not accomplish anything other than idle chatter that doesn't matter.
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Re: God
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2010, 05:10:11 PM »
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Where does this doctine come from?   NOWHERE in the bible does it say God could sin.
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where does it say he can't?
Where does it say He can? If one is capable of sin he will sin. If on is capable of talking he will talk sooner or later. So if He can sin he would sin and no longer be God would he?
Ok time for my  :2cents:. This is completely erelivent eather way god is perfect so why would this matter. If you really care then ask him when you die.

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« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2010, 05:17:21 PM »
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ask him when you die.
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