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The playgroup in Arcadia, California hereby enacts the STAMP Act, which requires all players who live in the west coast colonies to participate in our tournaments by videoconferencing.

And in those tournaments, ANB shall be played as printed.

If somebody started a Nashville area playgroup, I would try to attend.  I don't have the time to organize it at this point though.

The playgroup in Arcadia, California hereby enacts the STAMP Act, which requires all players who live in the west coast colonies to participate in our tournaments by videoconferencing.

And in those tournaments, ANB shall be played as printed.

(Note to self: set up luncheon with Oregon state and local lawmakers.  Either that or commute down to Hilt, CA.)

I'm interviewing for an internship at Genentech soon, so with any luck I'll be in California over the summer .

Now, I haven't played in several years...

Which corporate location?  If it's Vacaville it's near where I visit family.  We could have some locals. 

(...now if I could just get TJ to explain to me how Twitch works...spreadin' the Gospel, one media at a time...)

I think I disappeared in 2012... was it some world disaster gone awry or something?  I don't remember... Anyway, I MIGHT be re-entering the game now that the rules and such have been mostly sorted out, and there are new starter decks for me to force re-learn the game.  Probably will be quite some time before I participate in a tournament though...  Seeing as the U.S./Canada border and 10+ hours distance stands in my way lol .  Who knows, maybe I will start a Canadian division   

-C_S

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on September 08, 2014, 03:14:48 PM

I think I disappeared in 2012... was it some world disaster gone awry or something?  I don't remember... Anyway, I MIGHT be re-entering the game now that the rules and such have been mostly sorted out, and there are new starter decks for me to force re-learn the game.  Probably will be quite some time before I participate in a tournament though...  Seeing as the U.S./Canada border and 10+ hours distance stands in my way lol .  Who knows, maybe I will start a Canadian division   

Welcome Back! 

Will you be working your way back to Florida anytime soon?

Only for family emergencies... but I hope to get to a point in the near future where I can visit regularly.  For now, the frozen north is my home haha.

There's a few players in Winnipeg who have come down to Minneapolis on occasion for tournaments. If you ever feel so bold (and depending on where in The Great White North you are) you would be more than welcome.

He is in Edmonton.

It's thrilling to hear about playgroups like Iowa and Oakdale that are thriving, and I'm hoping that people like Mark, Bryan, and Gabe can give detailed explanations as to how they've managed to foster that. The Hanover, PA playgroup has continued to do as well, but we don't see the kind of growth that other playgroups do.

I agree. We have a large number of talented players, but we lack in beginners that we can help learn the basics of the game.

If only 2 people still enjoy playing a game of redemption with each other, the game will not die.

From a business standpoint, it will be dead.  That's what this is all boiling down to. Is there enough interest for the PTB to continue investing time into playtesting? Is there enough for Rob (and others) to keep throwing money into?

Does Redemption even make a notable profit anymore in sales? I thought it has been said elsewhere Redemption barely breaks even. From a business standpoint, the game died years ago.

From what I understand Redemption's smaller but passionate demographic is more like a cult following. I Bet, even if the whole game went entirely out of print, there would still be groups of diehard players that would make their own unofficial expansions or continue playing with what cards they had and gathering people until there was enough of a following to be worthy of printing new cards. haha, i can imagine a group of young people here playing a redemption tournament as elder geezers in a bunker while the apocalypse rages outside. 

Does Redemption even make a notable profit anymore in sales? I thought it has been said elsewhere Redemption barely breaks even. From a business standpoint, the game died years ago.

It's not profitable, but it's breaking even.  For Rob, that means it's worth it to continue. He's not losing money, and people are enjoying it. That's what's important to him.  However, when that number of people begins to drop off, and Rob starts losing money, I could see him, with a heavy heart, let Redemption die.

Quote from: Master KChief on October 20, 2014, 05:55:17 AM

Does Redemption even make a notable profit anymore in sales? I thought it has been said elsewhere Redemption barely breaks even. From a business standpoint, the game died years ago.

From what I understand Redemption's smaller but passionate demographic is more like a cult following. I Bet, even if the whole game went entirely out of print, there would still be groups of diehard players that would make their own unofficial expansions or continue playing with what cards they had and gathering people until there was enough of a following to be worthy of printing new cards.

There would be less than 20 people who would do that.  It's amazing that we still to Nationals when it's not possible to make money off it, even if you win every category.  People lose hundreds of dollars paying for flights, hotels, and cards, and all they get back is fun. Yay. While I am one of those people who have invested a considerable amount of money into the game, I have to admit that part of the reason I love Pokemon is that I can actually make money off a tournament.  Obviously the point of tournaments is to find out who the best is, but it's been an integral part from the beginning to then reward them for their hard effort.  Redemption doesn't really do that.

The best it could do is exist in an online platform, with a subgroup of players releasing unofficial expansions for it, as you mentioned. Realistically, it should have migrated online a long time ago.  I don't think it would revive the game though.  If we had the will (and money to back it) to do that, it'd be done already.

Less than 20 people? I think it would be more, but I could be wrong.

I know of probably 5 just from my church that would continue to play, though not probably with connection to everyone else. We have tournaments (unnoficial) every 2-3 weeks, and none of us have many TEC cards, but it still is really exciting to see what new combos are made, and how people can effectively use old cards.

I think that there could be closer to 50 players who continued.

Gotcha.

I don't know if cactus is the issue, it has partially to blame, but I think that it is also us players too, and then just the fact that whatever we say, there are less people interested in card games these days
I wonder how many people, Christians too, that I have met that would love this game that I did not tell about it simply because I would be seen as a nerd and an nonathletic person, I am not saying those things are bad, I would just not like to have those labels from others.
Also, if redemption wasn't christian I wouldn't play it, simply because it is not as appealing as Pokemon or Magic.
Not saying it is worse, but would be if not for the spiritual element that adds somthing else to the game that is more appealing than pokemon or magic; and also if someone else doesn't have that like of spiritual things, then they might like magic or pokemon better

We should promote this game as uncool, because then we would attract a ton of hipsters.

wow lol