Author Topic: How many people left in 2014? (Read 19506 times)

Sadness · « **on:** August 16, 2014, 11:16:30 PM »

Something that popped in my head. How many ppl quit Redemption in 2014 or retired for awhile? Or left because of the Scripture change? I'm curious.

Chris · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2014, 11:22:13 PM »

I can't imagine anyone actually left because of the Scripture change. Redemption has enough theological issues (Falling Away, Saint Patrick, playable demons, etc.) that I would think that anyone who was going to quit over something like that would have already done so.

Daniel · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2014, 11:25:33 PM »

I think Sadness is the only person who had a legitimate problem with the scripture change

Noah · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2014, 11:26:04 PM »

Quote from: Chris on August 16, 2014, 11:22:13 PM

I can't imagine anyone actually left because of the Scripture change. Redemption has enough theological issues (Falling Away, Saint Patrick, playable demons, etc.) that I would think that anyone who was going to quit over something like that would have already done so.

And now with the new wording on Coming of the Spirit you will be able to put The Holy Spirit on a converted Judas.

"Search deck or discard pile for The Holy Spirit. Place it on your disciple: It gains clay brigade. Cannot be negated."

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2014, 12:10:39 AM »

Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on August 16, 2014, 11:26:04 PM

Quote from: Chris on August 16, 2014, 11:22:13 PM
I can't imagine anyone actually left because of the Scripture change. Redemption has enough theological issues (Falling Away, Saint Patrick, playable demons, etc.) that I would think that anyone who was going to quit over something like that would have already done so.

And now with the new wording on Coming of the Spirit you will be able to put The Holy Spirit on a converted Judas.

"Search deck or discard pile for The Holy Spirit. Place it on your disciple: It gains clay brigade. Cannot be negated."

You cannot gain the brigade of an opposite alignment.

I took an accidental hiatus in 2014 due to money.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2014, 12:18:43 AM »

I took a somewhat intentional hiatus because nothing happened and I couldn't go to any tournaments.

The Guardian · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2014, 01:07:48 AM »

Many people come and go as happens every year. Kirk is the only one that I know for sure retired from the game, and that was for personal reasons.

Many others have become less involved, but personally I don't know of anyone who left the game due to the change in scripture.

Red · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2014, 04:16:44 PM »

I personally wasn't big on the change but it's no reason to quit.

CJSports · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2014, 09:10:57 PM »

What it this scripture change that I missed? As for 2014 I'm currently in the process of selling because funds are getting short with college and stuff.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2014, 09:37:38 PM »

Redemption is losing more people than it's gaining it seems, and that's been happening for quite some time. Scripture change had nothing to do with it. I was really optimistic last year with the starter decks. Design improved, the metagame was probably the best it's ever been, and we finally had a new starter deck to teach other people to play. There was no follow up though. A great leap for the game that just didn't go as far as it could have.

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2014, 10:31:51 AM »

I admit I've been less active mostly because both of the primary hosts in SE WI are no longer hosting (Ken moved to AZ, and wasn't hosting for awhile even before that, and Kirk has left the game). I'm in a tiny barely-1-bedroom apartment now so I don't really have space to even host locals anymore, and while I try to make it to MN for the big tournaments (like the T2-only this past Feb which was super fun) it's a 6-hour-ish drive each way so I can't make the commitment just for a local or even a district really.

I know someone recently started hosting tournaments in the Chicago area so I'm hoping to check that out and maybe start attending some of those. Or else if I can find a cheap-ish space to rent I can start hosting WI tournaments again.

I don't know if the players up in the Green Bay area are still having tournies or not, only a couple would usually attend ours down south so I haven't heard from then in awhile.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2014, 04:34:08 PM »

im still in the game though I don't play as much but I will remain in the game unto the end, but I do hope in the near future to redownload Hamachi and return to ROOT

The Guardian · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2014, 04:49:32 PM »

Quote from: browarod on August 18, 2014, 10:31:51 AM

I admit I've been less active mostly because both of the primary hosts in SE WI are no longer hosting (Ken moved to AZ, and wasn't hosting for awhile even before that, and Kirk has left the game). I'm in a tiny barely-1-bedroom apartment now so I don't really have space to even host locals anymore, and while I try to make it to MN for the big tournaments (like the T2-only this past Feb which was super fun) it's a 6-hour-ish drive each way so I can't make the commitment just for a local or even a district really.

I know someone recently started hosting tournaments in the Chicago area so I'm hoping to check that out and maybe start attending some of those. Or else if I can find a cheap-ish space to rent I can start hosting WI tournaments again.

I don't know if the players up in the Green Bay area are still having tournies or not, only a couple would usually attend ours down south so I haven't heard from then in awhile.

Well someone needs to keep Wisconsin tournaments going...your state was well-represented at Nationals

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2014, 05:38:09 PM »

One thing we have to think about is are we only considering number on the boards? I know that TN has two play groups that are larger than they were a year ago, but there are only 3 people total from those play groups on the boards. I know that the group in KY also has a very solid playgroup (I think that is still growing) but they aren't all on the boards. I also know that I'm extremely active in the game and am continuing to teach and play every week with the kids at church, but might get on here once or twice a week unless I have a trade brewing. So if we are talking boards wise, yeah maybe it has dropped, but I would be surprised if overall numbers are on the decline. Nationals was low this year but we also had a late change, and I know of at least 2 or 3 dozen people who had the intentions to go, but ultimately could not make it.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2014, 06:14:53 PM »

It's hard to make time for card games when you're surrounded by more interesting things like girls, science, that banh mi restaurant on Washington Street (I'm sitting there right now), and also girls.

Although I suppose we could host a tournament in lab. Is anyone else trained to use radiation and animals?

Sadness · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2014, 08:18:16 PM »

Girls, huh? Pretty to look at but painful on the wallet.
On the playgroup- it's been awhile since the Texas playgroup had a tournament too.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2014, 08:29:50 PM »

Girls aren't as cute as you saucey

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2014, 10:10:59 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 18, 2014, 04:49:32 PM

Quote from: browarod on August 18, 2014, 10:31:51 AM
I admit I've been less active mostly because both of the primary hosts in SE WI are no longer hosting (Ken moved to AZ, and wasn't hosting for awhile even before that, and Kirk has left the game). I'm in a tiny barely-1-bedroom apartment now so I don't really have space to even host locals anymore, and while I try to make it to MN for the big tournaments (like the T2-only this past Feb which was super fun) it's a 6-hour-ish drive each way so I can't make the commitment just for a local or even a district really.

I know someone recently started hosting tournaments in the Chicago area so I'm hoping to check that out and maybe start attending some of those. Or else if I can find a cheap-ish space to rent I can start hosting WI tournaments again.

I don't know if the players up in the Green Bay area are still having tournies or not, only a couple would usually attend ours down south so I haven't heard from then in awhile.

Well someone needs to keep Wisconsin tournaments going...your state was well-represented at Nationals

Exactly. My brothers and I play, we got a couple other kids into Redemption, they got 4 other kids into Redemption, maybe more... None of them are on the boards. Pity we don't have a playgroup up here...

CJSports · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2014, 10:32:31 PM »

Quote from: Sadness on August 18, 2014, 08:18:16 PM

Girls, huh? Pretty to look at but painful on the wallet.

And redemption isn't? Sure maybe not as much as other card games but it still takes a solid chunk of change to be competitive.

The Guardian · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2014, 10:44:34 PM »

I could sell you the deck that won T1 2P at Nationals for $80.

I'm not saying that's chump change, but it's not crazy expensive either.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2014, 10:58:04 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on August 18, 2014, 10:32:31 PM

Quote from: Sadness on August 18, 2014, 08:18:16 PM
Girls, huh? Pretty to look at but painful on the wallet.

And redemption isn't? Sure maybe not as much as other card games but it still takes a solid chunk of change to be competitive.

Define solid chunk for me before I respond, because I'm fairly certain I disagree.

CJSports · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2014, 11:05:09 PM »

Well it depends what you are playing. Let's say you go to a nationals. You enter Booster or sealed. $15. Then you have your T1 deck so we'll say $80 for that T1 deck. Then you enter T2 that's probably a little more. Maybe $100-120 depending on the cards. Could be a lot more if you are running multiple KoT's and such. Just that alone is a little more than $200. This doesn't include the fact that their are tournament fees, lodging fees, and traveling fees, which if you are going to be competitive are expensive. Then their is the fact that people usually don't just buy decks straight up. So in the end I would say you are looking at a couple hundred bucks to play competitively. I would call that a good chunk of money. Is it anywhere near Magic, of course not, but it is nothing to sneeze at. I mean Westy, sorry to use as an example, didn't go to nationals for this reason and maybe some others, I don't really know. It's not the cheapest thing to try and stay competitive in.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2014, 11:12:10 PM »

I guess for me I don't define that as a solid chunk.

Because we don't rotate cards it's not really $80 for that deck (Which is still ridiculously cheap comparatively) It's $80 spread out over however long you've been playing the game/decided to be competitive. I bought $25 worth of packs for the new cards, and spent $100 in gas 3 different times to get to MN state, NC Regs, and Natz. I don't remember what all entry fees I've paid, but its less than $40. I've also liquidated some cards and come somewhat close to breaking even.

I'm a competitive player. I can compete in Redemption for multiple years for far less than I spent on Magic in the year I tried to be competitive in that.

For that matter, I can compete in Redemption for far cheaper than competitive Dominion, Settlers, etc.

The Guardian · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2014, 11:14:02 PM »

That's not the game being expensive though, that's traveling in general that is expensive. Considering you could stay at the church for free, get decent meals at a cheap price and not really have to drive anywhere once you're there, Nationals does not have to be a huge financial drain. In the case of Westy and I'm sure others, it was more the matter of missing time at work, but that's going to be true for any type of vacation if your job does not include PTO.

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2014, 05:23:09 AM »

It's funny since this 'solid chunk' only happens once a year for this game. That's a normal weekend for any competitive MtG player traveling to a SCG Open or GP. The average price to play a top tier deck in Standard is around $200. $3000 to $4000 for Legacy. Let's not talk about 'solid chunk's for this game just yet.

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Author Topic: How many people left in 2014? (Read 19506 times)

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