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I guess I stand corrected then lol... I just have never met someone who was home schooled K-12 and has taken advantage of these programs.

Almost everyone I know who has been home schooled end up doing K-8 and go to a public school their last four years before college.

I have a huge bias against homeschooling and this thread hasn't helped

Why? What's wrong with parents teaching their children? Some kids learn at a different pace. When I was 8 years old I had alapatia where you start getting bald spots due to the stress of school about half way into my first year of home school I had a full head of hair and no stress one of my best friends was home schooled their hole life and loved it every kid I've ever talked to has " your home schooled wow I wish I was " IMO homeschool is an amazing way to teach people.

My experiences at a Catholic Middle School are a large part of what led me to become agnostic and I'm just going to leave it at that.

I'm very sorry to hear that (that you had horrible school experiences, not that you're agnostic; I am as well)

What's wrong with parents teaching their children? Some kids learn at a different pace. When I was 8 years old I had alapatia where you start getting bald spots due to the stress of school about half way into my first year of home school I had a full head of hair and no stress one of my best friends was home schooled their hole life and loved it every kid I've ever talked to has " your home schooled wow I wish I was " IMO homeschool is an amazing way to teach people.

one of my best friends was home schooled their hole life and loved it every kid I've ever talked to has " your home schooled wow I wish I was " IMO homeschool is an amazing way to teach people.

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IMO homeschool is an amazing way to teach people.

Pro tip: if you're going to advocate for homeschooling (or anything else), check your grammar and spelling first.

As for Olijar's apprehensions, it's probably because he knows me. I'm basically the worst.

Time to get real though.

The main issue is once you get to a certain level, parents can only do so much, and you end up teaching yourself most of the information. While this is a useful tool in life, there are a lot of problems with it. I was very fortunate to have a sister who was willing to help me with my math, for example, because my mom didn't understand things like Geometry. Now I'm really good at math, but if I didn't have my sister as a tutor, I would have been screwed. I scored much lower on my ACT scores than my friends did, even though we're intellectually on a similar level, primarily because schools are focused on those sort of things. That's pretty crucial for getting scholarships and getting into college.

Speaking of scholarships, I'm pretty sure you're more likely to get them if you're not homeschooled.

Homeschooling can also seriously inhibit social interactions. I'm sure I wouldn't be as introverted as I am if I wasn't homeschooled. Being an introvert isn't a bad thing, but not knowing how to handle yourself is social situations is. I'm certainly not the worst homeschooler at it, but I do feel out of place in many social settings. Sometimes I wish I had the desire to go to college events, but I would simply prefer to stay in my room, watch movies that you probably wouldn't, and play Pokemon. I've never been on a real date, and at this point I really don't know how to get one. The blame certainly can't rest solely on Homeschooling, but I'm sure had I been schooled differently things would have been different, and I have regrets about that. Sure, I can change, but at this point I'm past that part of my development in life and would rather not. Sure, I have friends (most of whom live in other states from me), and I can conduct myself like any other person, but there's a level of comfortability that just isn't there.

Homeschoolers are generally arrogant too. Stereotyping, yes, but often true (hence my first post regarding ego). They think they're the hottest stuff around because statistically they're smarter, and blah blah blah. Hate that.

They're also completely ignorant about other things. There's no question that being taught that evolution is wrong will create a bias against it.  Closing yourself off to an idea before researching it is going to effect your conclusions for obvious reasons, and homeschooling can foster that sort of thought more so than public school, which is a mixture of all sorts of cultures and tends to promote openness. Sure, they're also more open to sinful things as well, but I'm talking about disadvantages right now, so I'm not going to expound on that.

I'm also bad at evangelizing. I haven't had much practice in that area, other than a mission's trip to Denver, but that's not the same kind of evangelizing.

Don't get me wrong. I'm happy with my life and wouldn't change it, but I definitely see some things in my life that would be different for the better had I not been homeschooled.

Now I'm going to college at a Christian institution and hear more F-bombs daily than I hear in any movie. I've even had teachers drop some language. A friend of mine told me how he was going to smoke weed on his drive home to visit his girlfriend, and they're probably sleeping together based on some of his word choice.
That's the real world, and I'm just now beginning to understand it.

Gentlemen, please be gentle and don't correct errors. It comes off as very arrogant and rude, and some of the people on the boards may be dyslexic or younger teenagers - please remember this.

That being said, your story is exactly why I'm more against homeschooling than I am for it.

Marti I am with you however when some is making statements like "homeschooling is the best" and stating how it can benefit your education and they have punctuation errors as well as spelling errors it seems reasonable to comment on it. I personally considered it a couple of times but refrained. Mostly I chose to refrain because I do a lot of posting via my phone and that tends to create a lot of errors in my own posts.

Quote from: Westy on March 06, 2014, 01:22:54 PM

Homeschooling can also seriously inhibit social interactions. I'm sure I wouldn't be as introverted as I am if I wasn't homeschooled. Being an introvert isn't a bad thing, but not knowing how to handle yourself is social situations is. I'm certainly not the worst homeschooler at it, but I do feel out of place in many social settings. Sometimes I wish I had the desire to go to college events, but I would simply prefer to stay in my room, watch movies that you probably wouldn't, and play Pokemon. I've never been on a real date, and at this point I really don't know how to get one.

From experience, Westy, you can attend a public school your whole life, be on sports teams, play in the orchestra, etc. and still always feel out of place at any social event.

I'm not saying; I just saying.

Fair enough. I was among the more social homeschoolers in our little group, but I want something to blame.

Gentlemen, please be gentle and don't correct errors. It comes off as very arrogant and rude...

Then my point is made, even if it includes myself.

I went to Christian school and I feel like that kid still to this day.

I'm not saying this to advocate throwing your children headlong into the real world right away, but I feel like public school provides a better dynamic for comparison than Christian schooling or homeschooling do. They go to school, they see people doing this or that, they come home and you can explain to them what it is, why they're doing it, and whether or not it's something they should be doing, too. Whereas when you home school them or send them to Christian school, they might have some exposure to that but it's warped or shielded from the way it should be displayed so they are likely to not recognize the same thing when they see it out in the real world and be unprepared for facing it.

There are, of course, exceptions from each schooling environment, but I feel from my personal experience as well as the experiences of people I've dealt with in my adult life, that generally the ones more prepared for adulthood and the challenges, and temptations, it brings and who are more likely to stay strong in their faith are people that were educated with those things around them and whose parents taught them the differences between what they see and what the Bible teaches as right.

I went to public schools, and they were the worst years of my life. I was physically and emotionally abused (even by a couple of teachers) from elementary school all the way through graduation from high school. I was quite frankly suicidal, but thankfully God had different plans for me, albeit not until I was in my 20's.

This thread can continue with all the stories of which type of schooling worked (or didn't work) for us individually. But what is best for any individual child is solely the discretion of the parent. I would never send my kids to public school, not only because of my own personal experiences, but because I've been teaching in public schools for over 10 years so I know that the "social" aspects of public school do not outweigh the rest of the educational experience. The other key factor, of course, is the quality of the schools that children would be zoned for. So another parent's choice to put their kids in public school may be the best option for them, where they are.

My son may need to learn some social skills that he is not getting from homeschooling, but his strengths in other areas will make up the difference in the long term. He scored in the 90th percentile on the PSAT, so I think he will be just fine. My biggest problem has actually been trying to keep the college-aged girls at our church from asking my son out on dates. I told him that 15-year-olds should probably start dating other 15-year-olds to start with. It just doesn't help that he looks like he is 18 already. 

I think the main point is that no one way is perfect. Each system has its pros and cons.

Also that high school stinks.

Amen, and Amen. Middle and high school are hard, no matter where you come from and what you're doing.