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Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2009, 10:40:23 PM »

I thought of Elway and Davis as a group. Davis would have been an all time great without his knee injuries.

JDS · « **Reply #26 on:** August 20, 2009, 01:34:52 AM »

I hear the Eagles might get Michael Vick, I sure hope so.

He never really killed any dogs, IMO. He was merely consulting them on end of life issues.

STAMP · « **Reply #27 on:** August 20, 2009, 11:30:36 AM »

Quote from: JDS on August 20, 2009, 01:34:52 AM

I hear the Eagles might get Michael Vick, I sure hope so.

Frey, Walsh, Henley,...and Vick. Yeah, that will sell some records.

Quote from: JDS on August 20, 2009, 01:34:52 AM

He never really killed any dogs, IMO. He was merely consulting them on end of life issues.

Justin, you ought to get into politics, or at least TV journalism. You know how to put a good spin on things.

lightningninja · « **Reply #28 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:25:24 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on August 18, 2009, 05:53:39 PM

Don't believe me? Quick, name the QB and the RB for Denver in their two superbowl winning seasons. Who is easier to recall, Terrell Davis or John Elway? It's funny considering that Davis was the dominant RB in the league while Elway was--at best--a middle-of-the-pack QB at the time.

That's kind of funny... I disagree with two things.

1. Terrell Davis came to mind at the same time, if not first. He's one of my top RB ever. I can't speak for everyone else, but I think he was remembered.

2. Are you kidding? John Elway is probably in my top 5 QB of all time. He's amazing.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #29 on:** August 21, 2009, 10:34:15 AM »

1. Elway isn't top 5. Ain't no way. Montana, Marino, Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, and maybe Manning and Brady, are all above him.

2. Justin works for the IRS doesn't he? So, he is in government/politics.

3. I love that pun Justin. Major Props.

crustpope · « **Reply #30 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:05:01 AM »

Funny, Elway made both of these lists here and here. He also made this list

I think it is difficult based on statistics alone not to put him into the top 5 all time. Plus he has 2 rings, he also played in multiple superbowls, he has "the Drive" and some of the best scrambling stats for a quarterback. Elway played with heart that cannot be measured in statistics and he Made things happen when he had to.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #31 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:27:42 AM »

His rings were in the twilight of a career of failure. By the time he got there, he practically just had to manage the game. The fact remains he could not win super bowls in his prime when he was the star. Coupled with the poor statistics (in comparison to others), he's not top 5.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #32 on:** August 21, 2009, 04:52:38 PM »

I also wouldn't put Elway in the top 5 ever. Denver's greatness rests on their running backs, not on their quarterback. One good "drive" doesn't make someone the best ever.

Montana, Manning, Marino, Farve, and Tarkington.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 21, 2009, 05:31:27 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on August 21, 2009, 04:52:38 PM

One good "drive" doesn't make someone the best ever.

Montana, Manning, Marino, Farve, and Tarkington.

If that were the case then Roethlisberger would be one of the greatest QB's ever. He is constantly leading great game ending drives (the whole drive leading up to winning superbowl XLIII comes to mind). He also has two superbowl rings...but currently unless you are crazy he would never make a top QB of all times list. Oh he is a great scrambler too...I love the guy and he is only a little shy of elway IMO but neither make top 5. Of QB's now however...1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Brees 4. Roethlisberger 5. Rivers

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #34 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:50:55 PM »

Forgot about Tarkenton. Dumb me.

Besides, the Drive was against the Browns was it not? That's like playing a semi-pro team.

STAMP · « **Reply #35 on:** August 22, 2009, 02:44:24 PM »

If we take QB rushing stats out of the picture:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Graham
4. Brady
5. Manning

If we include rushing stats:

1. Montana
2. Young
3. Unitas
4. Graham
5. Tarkenton

crustpope · « **Reply #36 on:** August 22, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »

OK guys, keep knocking Elway if you want to but He is already in the top 5 quarterbacks of all time based on stats alone and here is a little proof. From http://www.nfl.com/history/randf

Passes attempted Carreer
8,758 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2007
8,358 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983-1999
7,250 John Elway, Denver, 1983-1998

Passes completed Career
5,377 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2007
4,967 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983-1999
4,123 John Elway, Denver, 1983-1998

Most Yards Gained, Career
61,655 Brett Favre, Atlanta, 1991; Green Bay, 1992-2007
61,361 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983-1999
51,475 John Elway, Denver, 1983-1998

Most Seasons, 3,000 or More Yards Passing
16 Brett Favre, Green Bay, 1992-2007
13 Dan Marino, Miami, 1984-1992, 1994-95, 1997-98
12 John Elway, Denver, 1985-1991, 1993-97

And couple all those stats with this one that make his body of work even more iimpressive.

Most times Sacked Career
516 John Elway, Denver, 1983-1998
494 Dave Krieg, Seattle, 1980-1991; Kansas City, 1992-93; Detroit, 1994; Arizona, 1995; Chicago, 1996; Tennessee, 1997-98
484 Randall Cunningham, Philadelphia, 1985-95; Minnesota, 1997-99; Dallas, 2000; Baltimore, 2001

This stat came from ESPN because the NFL only went down to third place. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=tdpasses

Career touchdown passes

1.BRETT FAVRE 464
2 Dan Marino 420
3 Fran Tarkenton 342
4 PEYTON MANNING 333
5 John Elway 300

While I personally think that Elway is a top 5 quarterback, I understand if other do not place him there But please. lets at least acknowledge that if he isnt top 5 in your list, he is at least a very close runner up.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #37 on:** August 22, 2009, 03:33:20 PM »

But he's not a close runner up. Considering how he played in a system that threw more than passed (out of necessity somewhat), his stats aren't that great. In my opinion, Favre isn't Top 5 either, so it's not just Elway that I drop.

Times being sacked is bad not good. He gets sacked a lot. That's terrible.

crustpope · « **Reply #38 on:** August 22, 2009, 03:41:38 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 22, 2009, 03:33:20 PM

Times being sacked is bad not good. He gets sacked a lot. That's terrible.

Well Duh! Do you really think I am that dumb? So if I am not that dumb, why would I post that Stat? hmmm. It tells me that he did all this impresive body of work behind a somewhat suspect offensive line for most of his career. (later superbowl seasons excepted of course). That stat makes his work all the more impressive

Similar to the idea that if Barry Sanders had played for almost ANY other team, we would have a different leader atop the board at Running back.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #39 on:** August 22, 2009, 03:55:53 PM »

Or if Barry Sanders wasn't a strange guy.

So he is a gunslinger who played behind poor lines? Maybe it was a average QB.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 22, 2009, 10:57:32 PM »

The fact that he got sacked that much and STILL maintained those stats is indeed impressive. I can't believe Peyton Manning is already in the top 5 QB's with the most career TD passes. That is amazing!

crustpope · « **Reply #41 on:** August 23, 2009, 02:59:22 PM »

Quote from: ejberkenpas22 on August 22, 2009, 10:57:32 PM

I can't believe Peyton Manning is already in the top 5 QB's with the most career TD passes. That is amazing!

Yeah, peyton will set the bar pretty high barring some severe injury.

lightningninja · « **Reply #42 on:** August 23, 2009, 08:59:01 PM »

Wow... I can't believe that Stamp and Alex don't put Favre in top 5... I think he's NO LESS than top 3... I would put him 1 but I'm too biased.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #43 on:** August 23, 2009, 09:40:57 PM »

Why? Sure, he was great at what he was. But what he was was a gunslinger. He reguarly threw 15+ INTs and had circa 10 fumbles. His completion percentage was a pedestrian 61.6 career avg. I just don't see that being so great. Manning has already passed him easily, Brady probably has passed him, and people like Marino, Unitas, Tarkenton, and Montana are ahead of him.

ejberkenpas22 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:27:17 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on August 23, 2009, 09:40:57 PM

Why? Sure, he was great at what he was. But what he was was a gunslinger. He reguarly threw 15+ INTs and had circa 10 fumbles. His completion percentage was a pedestrian 61.6 career avg. I just don't see that being so great. Manning has already passed him easily, Brady probably has passed him, and people like Marino, Unitas, Tarkenton, and Montana are ahead of him.

And last year and most likely this year are gonna kill him. He threw 22 INT's last year. I bet he throws 22 just against the Steelers this year!

STAMP · « **Reply #45 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:17:31 PM »

Ouch! Favre has a cracked rib?!?!

lightningninja · « **Reply #46 on:** August 31, 2009, 11:16:38 PM »

I don't know... did you see that block!?

The Guardian · « **Reply #47 on:** August 31, 2009, 11:21:24 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on August 31, 2009, 11:16:38 PM

I don't know... did you see that block!?

Not his brightest moment to be sure, but Favre is one of the toughest guys to ever play the game and never shies away from doing something to help the team. He's thrown blocks for running backs his entire career, He just needs to learn how to throw a proper backside block.

metalpsalm · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2009, 03:10:20 AM »

One two three Favre five six seven....

crustpope · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2009, 08:12:33 AM »

Quote from: STAMP on August 31, 2009, 08:17:31 PM

Ouch! Favre has a cracked rib?!?!

Couldnt tell by the way he played monday night

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