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It's more like:

People realized drawing cards wins game.

People try to win games.

Pol claims that balanced decks are good

Speed wins nats and every other major tournament

Repeat every year.

speed will always dominate any CCG it's just common sense. your deck is full of really awesome cards, too bad they are on the bottom and you'll loose before you draw them. of course you could draw more cards...





..........that is not trolling.........

speed has strategy. you still have to decide when to use your cards and when to save them for later. it's just fast paced.

caps lock..ugh

WRONG SPEED HAS HI LETS PLAY 123 SOG/NJ GG CYA NEXT WEEK THATS ALL SPEED IS AND ALL THE GAME CAN EVER BE UNTIL IT IS FIXED GAMES WILL NEVER SEE MORE THEN 5 TURNS

WRONG SPEED HAS HI LETS PLAY 123 SOG/NJ GG CYA NEXT WEEK THATS ALL SPEED IS AND ALL THE GAME CAN EVER BE UNTIL IT IS FIXED GAMES WILL NEVER SEE MORE THEN 5 TURNS

I personally don't like speed decks either, I like balanced decks, but the game has evolved and personally I don't think completely for the best, but it is what it is. If you don't like the game, maybe check out pokemon??

I played a disciples speed once for a half and hour. just block the draw ability

I agree and Matt that's what I told you last night... don't know what else to tell you bro!

speed is a 123 sog/nj i win ive only taken my 3 turns and you have had 2 in which you can do absolutley not enough therefore game over in 5 turns cya next time

In the end only you really get to decide whether you can play at a top level or not so don't worry about what others think. But if you don't think you are there yet don't complain about it get just there, yet know that it is just a game.

FWIW Matt is right about speed dominating type 1 and needing some hard counters. That is why I play type 2 now.

AND SO A 5 TURN GAME BETWEEN BOTH PLAYERS IS FAIR 123 SOG/NJ IS TRULY A FAIR GAME THATS WHAT TOP LVL IS AND YOUR SAYING YOUR OK IN ACCEPTING THAT IF THATS THE CASE THEN T1 ONLY NEEDS 10 MINUTE ROUND LIMITS CAUSE THATS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO WIN

I say try a Defense laden Job deck

how when you only get 2 turns and every single play they make is cbn how does that help me huh

then can you please get on skype or something mark cause i really need to talk and hamachi aint gonna do it

I don't have skype installed on this computer.  If you really need to talk, then Hamachi should work fine.

Quote from: christiangamer25 on December 02, 2011, 12:25:04 AM

WRONG SPEED HAS HI LETS PLAY 123 SOG/NJ GG CYA NEXT WEEK THATS ALL SPEED IS AND ALL THE GAME CAN EVER BE UNTIL IT IS FIXED GAMES WILL NEVER SEE MORE THEN 5 TURNS

I personally don't like speed decks either, I like balanced decks, but the game has evolved and personally I don't think completely for the best, but it is what it is. If you don't like the game, maybe check out pokemon??

You can speed pokemon, trust me. I can get a stage 3 evoluton by turn 4 (The first turn you can get it) most games.

AND SO A 5 TURN GAME BETWEEN BOTH PLAYERS IS FAIR 123 SOG/NJ IS TRULY A FAIR GAME THATS WHAT TOP LVL IS AND YOUR SAYING YOUR OK IN ACCEPTING THAT IF THATS THE CASE THEN T1 ONLY NEEDS 10 MINUTE ROUND LIMITS CAUSE THATS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO WIN

Matthew, your idea of what top level is isn't true, as I'm sure most everyone has told you on numerous occasions, it isn't all speed and speed isn't required to be a top player. I don't think many would argue Pol is a top player and he doesn't use speed. Top level is a skill level, not what deck you used. If it was I'd never ever win....Ever.

If I may interject....

I see a more fundamental issue than issues related to the meta or mechanics of the game.  I see a player who has often expressed himself in a self-deprecating way when he has become frustrated about the game, or his interactions with people on this forum.  Matt, I have read multiple posts from others who have tried to dissuade you from this perspective, and remind you of your worth to this community, and more importantly, your worth to God.  Unfortunately, I see you having a great deal of difficulty accepting this.

I have been a counselor for a number of years, and want to offer my perspective without trying to sound uncaring.  I think you would benefit from some personal counseling, preferably from a Christian, to help you change this.  I am worried that as others try to "prop you up" when you put yourself down they will continue to be frustrated and pull away, causing you to feel even less valued.  The problem is that everybody's well-meaning attempts to prop you up are actually causing the problem to root itself in you, as you now know that you receive validation from others by continuing to put yourself down....this is not emotionally healthy.  Please understand, I am not saying that people should stop encouraging you...but I see people trying to do this repeatedly, and in great earnest, as if they are trying to convince you.  Some temperance of this may be more helpful. 

Matt, if you cannot see your worth in God and appreciate the fellowship and efforts of those around you to express this, please consider getting some help from a professional, as I suspect there may be an issue or issues deeper than those expressed here, that you may or may not be aware of.  Consider carefully whether continuing to play Redemption will further your personal growth or be a hindrance to it.  I will pray that you have courage to ask God to show you where He wants you to be and how to get there.   

Yeah bro, besides, there is a player in South Florida that wins every single game with a lost soul manipulation deck. He never loses. Ever. He plays 3-4 different opponents, different decks, speed decks, and still wins. Every Time. It's definitely possible to beat speed decks 10/10 times. You just gotta find the secret recipe, and know how to use it.