Author Topic: gift ideas: part 2 (Read 15260 times)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #75 on:** September 06, 2010, 01:11:38 AM »

That's Christianity. Fundamentalism, in most instances, is used as a negative qualifier of Christianity. So I am not sure what you are trying to say (other than attempting to spin fundamentalism as a positive, which opposes how most Americans use it).

You are looking from it at a Christian point of view though. I am stating that, from a worldy point of view, yeah, the Bible is sexist. However, that is irrelevant to the truth of the Bible because culture is subject to Truth, but Truth is not subject to culture.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #76 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:29:31 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 06, 2010, 01:11:02 AM

Agreed, but source is missing.

The source was wikipedia. However, considering that on most forums, people disparage that so much, it seemed like having no source at all might actually be more respected

Of course, I actually find wikipedia to be pretty reliable, and studies have shown it to be as accurate or more accurate than more respected sources like Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 06, 2010, 01:11:38 AM

That's Christianity. Fundamentalism, in most instances, is used as a negative qualifier of Christianity. So I am not sure what you are trying to say (other than attempting to spin fundamentalism as a positive, which opposes how most Americans use it).

#1 - I'm not spinning anything. I got that definition from a secular (read: NOT biased towards fundamentalism) source.
#2 - The majority of people in America today who call themselves Christians actually would NOT agree with the 3 keys of fundamentalism, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "That's Christianity." unless you agree that fundamentalism is correct, and that modern American Christianity is mistaken.

P.S. on topic, I also pick B

The M · « **Reply #77 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:35:06 AM »

and now back to the original topic i pick B

The Warrior · « **Reply #78 on:** September 06, 2010, 11:36:51 AM »

Quote from: The M on September 06, 2010, 10:35:06 AM

and now back to the original topic i pick B

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #79 on:** September 06, 2010, 12:18:18 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on September 06, 2010, 10:29:31 AM

and studies have shown it to be as accurate or more accurate than more respected sources like Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Did you read that on Wikipedia?

Good Samaritan · « **Reply #80 on:** September 06, 2010, 12:39:34 PM »

This is off topic,but why is just about every thread a fight?

JSB23 · « **Reply #81 on:** September 06, 2010, 12:42:10 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on September 06, 2010, 12:52:51 AM

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. " (1 Cor. 14:33b-35 NIV).

I don't see how having a christian viewpoint makes this any less sexist......

TheJaylor · « **Reply #82 on:** September 06, 2010, 01:19:35 PM »

Quote from: Good Samaritan on September 06, 2010, 12:39:34 PM

This is off topic,but why is just about every thread a fight?

because people are like that.

Good Samaritan · « **Reply #83 on:** September 06, 2010, 01:39:26 PM »

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on September 06, 2010, 01:19:35 PM

Quote from: Good Samaritan on September 06, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
This is off topic,but why is just about every thread a fight?
because people are like that.

The one thing that I have noticed is that everyone thinks they know everything.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #84 on:** September 06, 2010, 02:55:58 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on September 06, 2010, 12:18:18 PM

Did you read that on Wikipedia?

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 09, 2009, 02:12:36 PM

Wikipedia gets a bad rap due to the fact that users have the ability to edit most postings there. However, according to arguably the most prestigious scientific journal, Nature, “Wikipedia comes close to Britannica in terms of the accuracy of its science entries” (1). In my own experience, I have also found Wikipedia to be very accurate when it comes to any subject that is not popularly controversial. And I have found Wikipedia to actually be at least as objective at reporting both sides of a popularly controversial subject as the mainstream media tends to be.

If I find something there that seems incredulous, then I would check other sources to ensure its accuracy. But in general, I think that Wikipedia is worth trusting.

1 - http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html

Smokey · « **Reply #85 on:** September 06, 2010, 03:40:46 PM »

I think it's funny that people are trying to get on topic in a thread that should be locked (MKC already gave his GF the stuff).

Master KChief · « **Reply #86 on:** September 06, 2010, 03:42:19 PM »

naw, i grabbed some popcorn and im enjoying the show.

drb1200 · « **Reply #87 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:13:09 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on September 06, 2010, 12:25:41 AM

Quote from: drb1200 on September 05, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
Dating is when you kind of think a girl is kind of pretty, start going out.........and then dump her to move on to someone prettier.
Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 05, 2010, 10:05:19 PM
Fundamental=stretching the Bible further to suit your own agenda, synonym (kind of) with legalism
Both of these definitions are about equally laden with obvious bias. They are also both basically inaccurate representations of what those words mean to the majority of people who identify with them.

It may not be the actual definition (its not), but thats pretty much the way it works nowadays.

Quote from: Alex Olijar

No, that's generally seen as hooking up. Dating is going steady with one girl for an extended period of time for the presumed purpose of attempting to determine if you could marry her by entering an arrangement similar to marriage yet extremely less stressful and relaxed.

That is known as courting.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #88 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:24:57 PM »

What you described is dating for almost every decent Christian, so you just hate a word.

drb1200 · « **Reply #89 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:35:41 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 06, 2010, 05:24:57 PM

What you described is dating for almost every decent Christian, so you just hate a word.

Well, I am talking about secular dating, if you will.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #90 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:37:47 PM »

Quote

Quote from: Alex Olijar
No, that's generally seen as hooking up. Dating is going steady with one girl for an extended period of time for the presumed purpose of attempting to determine if you could marry her by entering an arrangement similar to marriage yet extremely less stressful and relaxed.
That is known as courting.

Proof that for 90% of the population are using courting and dating as different words for the same thing. Mostly its for people who see dating as just a "fun time" or status rather than a way to find a partner for life. The thing is what they are doing is the same as dating. True courting is much different. Its pretty much integrating into the family, yes there is SOME (very little comparatively to dating) alone time, but the alone time is MUCH more controlled than a normal dating environment. EG: Sitting in a room with the door open with the family only a room or maybe two over. Courting is more getting to know the family and her together rather than just her.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #91 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:39:44 PM »

You don't really seem to be talking about anything, if I may. You just get saying you hate dating, and then you describe what you want to do, which, ironically, is essentially dating with the word courting instead.

The M · « **Reply #92 on:** September 06, 2010, 05:41:50 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 06, 2010, 05:37:47 PM

Quote
Quote from: Alex Olijar
No, that's generally seen as hooking up. Dating is going steady with one girl for an extended period of time for the presumed purpose of attempting to determine if you could marry her by entering an arrangement similar to marriage yet extremely less stressful and relaxed.
That is known as courting.

Proof that for 90% of the population are using courting and dating as different words for the same thing. Mostly its for people who see dating as just a "fun time" or status rather than a way to find a partner for life. The thing is what they are doing is the same as dating. True courting is much different. Its pretty much integrating into the family, yes there is SOME (very little comparatively to dating) alone time, but the alone time is MUCH more controlled than a normal dating environment. EG: Sitting in a room with the door open with the family only a room or maybe two over. Courting is more getting to know the family and her together rather than just her.

courting is pretty much hanging out with a person you might marry at their house your house at school.
also very family oriented.
dating is going to see a movie and go to dinner afterwards together but really no adults.

Master KChief · « **Reply #93 on:** September 06, 2010, 06:09:45 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 06, 2010, 05:37:47 PM

Proof that for 90% of the population are using courting and dating as different words for the same thing. Mostly its for people who see dating as just a "fun time" or status rather than a way to find a partner for life. The thing is what they are doing is the same as dating. True courting is much different. Its pretty much integrating into the family, yes there is SOME (very little comparatively to dating) alone time, but the alone time is MUCH more controlled than a normal dating environment. EG: Sitting in a room with the door open with the family only a room or maybe two over. Courting is more getting to know the family and her together rather than just her.

yeah, it would drive me and my girlfriend nuts if we were around her family or my family that much. im an adult. shes an adult. we dont need a family babysitting us. im in a relationship with my girlfriend, not her family. 'courting' ftl.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #94 on:** September 06, 2010, 06:51:09 PM »

Wow, I go to college for two days and this?

A brief definition for me of said two words:
Courting: intent to marry
Dating: intent to enjoy said other person.

Sure, Christians can "date" and secular people can "court", when they're just doing the other and calling it that.
This current argument is really all about semantics, and if you want to follow biblical principles and call it dating, I've got no problem with it. However, if one is to follow worldly principles in such a relationship (or any one for that matter), I would remind them that we are not of this world, and not to conform to its values.

I personally subscribe to a fairly legalistic type of courting/Christian dating, but won't be offended if you don't. As to Prof's post, that's courtship/Christian dating.

And MKC, you may want to check out the definition of "In-law"

Master KChief · « **Reply #95 on:** September 06, 2010, 06:53:53 PM »

yes, i would have family by law if i married my girlfriend. that doesnt mean we will be around them 24/7.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #96 on:** September 06, 2010, 09:33:15 PM »

Courting is not intent to marry. That's what you want it to mean in order to attempt to claim you are not dating and instead courting. Courting is dating to get to know each other and decide if there will be an engagement. Usually courtship is a public affair, done in public and with family approval. Dating is a form of courtship, and may include any social activity undertaken by, typically, two persons with the aim of each assessing the other's suitability as a partner in an intimate relationship or as a spouse. The word refers to the act of meeting and engaging in some mutually agreed upon social activity. Traditional dating activities include entertainment or a meal.

They are pretty much the same thing.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #97 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:40:33 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on September 06, 2010, 09:33:15 PM

That's what you want it to mean in order to attempt to claim you are not dating and instead courting.

Glad to see you know exactly how I think. Now I know I can safely leave my non-existent side of this one-sided "debate" to you.

lightningninja · « **Reply #98 on:** September 07, 2010, 12:38:12 AM »

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/courtship -- Definitions of Courtship

to make a date with; go out on dates with -- definitions of "date"

Bottom line: It drives me crazy, as a debater, to see 4 pages of threads about definitions with everyone simply saying that they're correct without ever providing definitions. Sheesh. Look at the above definitions, neither actually say "with the end goal of marriage," you're simply arguing petty semantics.

It's about your actions, not the words you use.

Master KChief · « **Reply #99 on:** September 07, 2010, 02:55:47 AM »

your definition of courtship returned 'wooing' as a definition. thats just wussy.

it also returned 'solicitation of favors'. that just sounds illegal.

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