Author Topic: Galadgawan / Reyzen (Read 7785 times)

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:15:09 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on January 24, 2011, 05:10:48 PM

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on January 24, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
I hope you do not take us butting heads as personal, because in circumstances such as these, it is far from it.

I do not harbor any ill will toward you.

Nor do I toward you

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on January 24, 2011, 05:10:48 PM

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on January 24, 2011, 04:42:45 PM
-- YMT I had hoped for an opportunity to meet you one day. I was told it would completely change my opinion of you. I hear you are a person of respect,...

No, I'm just as annoying in person.

Haha, that put a smile on my face

But in all seriousness, some of my extremely "annoying" friends are also some of the funnest to hang out with

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:18:49 PM »

Quote from: Ironica on January 24, 2011, 05:09:59 PM

What about those who have no opinion on a subject? Is having no opinion an opinion?

umm, getting off topic a little, but I am of the opinion that if you think about something or something is brought to your attention you either have an opinion or chose not to. Choosing not to is the result of another thought or opinion. Perhaps you simply do not care to have an opinion because you are preoccupied or it is not important to you or worth the energy.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #27 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:28:10 PM »

There is a difference between disagreeing and discussing something with someone and being negative. I had a co-worker/friend who is an Atheist and he and I would go back and forth all the time discussing our different points of view. Not once did either of us get upset, say anything negative about each other (Or their opinions), or have a disrespectful attitude towards the other. He was curious as to why I believe what I believe, and I was the same towards him. Probably the key was that we weren't trying to change the other person's opinion or "prove each other wrong." Yes, I think his beliefs are wrong, but what good would it do if I just told him he was wrong in his beliefs all the time?

Should we point out errors as Christians amongst our brethren? Yes, of course we should. However, we should do it with tact and respect towards one another. There is actually a process (Mentioned in the Bible) that we should go through in order to minimize the negativity and disrespect. I will include the passage later once I re-locate it, but:

First, we should always consult the Word of God.
Second, we point out the error (Why it is absolutely wrong).
Thirdly, we correct the problem.
Lastly, we determine the best way to maintain the correction so that we don't return to the same mind-set.

I encourage you to keep that in mind, give it a try sometime, and try to look at things from a different/new perspective whenever you get the chance.

In Christ,

-Joshua

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #28 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:35:35 PM »

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on January 24, 2011, 04:50:58 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 04:48:05 PM
Read that a couple times and just think about it.

I did, not really seeing where you are going with the comment.

Everyone has their own opinion about everything.... because they are unique and do not think in the same way. While some people share some opinions, everyone's opinion is their own, whether they chose to accept someone else's or not.

Your statement is your opinion of the truth, not the truth.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #29 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:40:17 PM »

I am stating that saying that is your opinion and thus not fact.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #30 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:47:50 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 06:40:17 PM

I am stating that saying that is your opinion and thus not fact.

Ok, if I say your screen name is Alex_Olijar, one could argue that is my opinion AND fact.
If I said your screen name was Bobby123, one could only make a sound argument that it is my opinion, not fact.

I stated,
"Everyone has their own opinion about everything [fact]"

I suppose you could make a case for how we define everything, but at the very least "Everyone has their own opinion". I base that on the fact that God made us each unique and with free will. Thus, what we think about things (our opinions) is our choice and also, our own.

btw- with your logic, I could say that because what you said is your opinion, it also is not true.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #31 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:54:12 PM »

I would argue that is not fact because that is not my screen name. I could give you my password and you could not log in to an account named "Alex_Olijar".

Everything is an indefineable quantity. You can not argue to everything because in every concept known to man there are exceptions.

Everyone does not have their own opinion. Have you ever looked at politics before? How many people in politics actually have their own opinions? They simply state whatever X candidate/politician/etc says is right.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #32 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:02:48 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 06:54:12 PM

Everyone does not have their own opinion. Have you ever looked at politics before? How many people in politics actually have their own opinions? They simply state whatever X candidate/politician/etc says is right.

You are jumping to wild conclusions with that example.
a. you don't know if politicians are honest
b. you don't know if what they say is their opinion at all, or if they are just saying what they need to in order to get what they want
c. I can go on with this list for a very long time, but I think see get where i'm going

Just to clarify what i said before though. Just because you agree with someone, does not mean the shared opinion is not your own. It just means two people have the same opinion. (kind of like two people owning the same type of car)

also,
the definition of opinion is:
what or how one thinks about something

^o/c that can change depending on where you look it up. I got that from the Oxford English Dictionary (it's what they refer to as "general meaning")

Since, my use of "everything" was an oversight, would you agree that...
Everyone has their own opinion about ~~everything~~ the things they think about [fact] ?

ps- sorry for getting very side-tracked. I forget who mods the Off-topic, but if you feel like splitting the thread... go for it

SomeKittens · « **Reply #33 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 06:54:12 PM

Everything is an indefineable quantity. You can not argue to everything because in every concept known to man there are exceptions.

Concept known to man: Jesus loves us.

Are you saying that there are people whom Jesus does not love?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #34 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:10:51 PM »

No, I would not agree with that statement as long as it carries the word fact, because opinions are not facts, they are interpretations of facts, and facts are not able to be opinionated about - they are either true or false.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #35 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:29:45 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 07:10:51 PM

No, I would not agree with that statement as long as it carries the word fact, because opinions are not facts, they are interpretations of facts, and facts are not able to be opinionated about - they are either true or false.

Whether my opinion is correct or not, it is a fact that I have my own opinion about the things I think about.

-C_S

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #36 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:31:12 PM »

Quote from: COUNTER_SNIPER on January 24, 2011, 07:29:45 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
No, I would not agree with that statement as long as it carries the word fact, because opinions are not facts, they are interpretations of facts, and facts are not able to be opinionated about - they are either true or false.

Whether my opinion is correct or not, it is a fact that I have my own opinion about the things I think about.

-C_S

I think what Alex is trying to say is that you only THINK you have your own opinion

I'm kidding

hehehe

The Schaef · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:35:48 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 06:54:12 PM

Everyone does not have their own opinion. Have you ever looked at politics before? How many people in politics actually have their own opinions? They simply state whatever X candidate/politician/etc says is right.

Therefore, in their opinion, what that candidate says is right.

Sadness · « **Reply #38 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:12:30 PM »

Didn't read either of the above posts,but I will miss YMT.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:33:26 PM »

I like how theres an argument in a thread where someone said they are leaving due to all the arguments on the boards.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:35:01 PM »

If I could +1000 that I would, great comment Lambo.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:36:36 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 24, 2011, 08:33:26 PM

I like how theres an argument in a thread where someone said they are leaving due to all the arguments on the boards.

Back to the drawing boards....

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #42 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:51:07 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 24, 2011, 08:33:26 PM

I like how theres an argument in a thread where someone said they are leaving due to all the arguments on the boards.

I wasn't under the impression he was leaving because of arguments. That would be unreasonable considering how many differences of opinions there are around here and everywhere for that matter. I was under the impression he was leaving because of the excessive negativity, and the attacks upon one another in the arguments. Consequently, if the "argument" me and Alex and others had was viewed as negative or disrespectful, then I really have no idea how to discuss anything without being disrespectful. I actually thought it was quite interesting and almost constructive (aside from the fact it was off-topic)

lightningninja · « **Reply #43 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:07:15 PM »

See I feel like the argument about "opinion" kind of embodies the useless argumentation that gets so old on these boards. I mean Alex, if you really thought he meant EVERY single person on earth has an opinion about EVERYTHING, then your comment was warranted. I doubt that. Obviously no person even knows close to everything and therefore probably does not hold an opinion on it.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #44 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:09:14 PM »

When eye rolling smilies get involved, it does create an air of negativity.

Quote from: lightningninja on January 24, 2011, 09:07:15 PM

See I feel like the argument about "opinion" kind of embodies the useless argumentation that gets so old on these boards. I mean Alex, if you really thought he meant EVERY single person on earth has an opinion about EVERYTHING, then your comment was warranted. I doubt that. Obviously no person even knows close to everything and therefore probably does not hold an opinion on it.

Agreed and it causes many to leave these boards. I could make a list of people close to me who have left due to it but honestly, I don't need nor want to. I understand everyone has an opinion but meaningless fights are not only a waste but also damaging, and this is coming from the TKP.

drb1200 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:32:47 PM »

There isn't anything here worth arguing about. Some of you guys seriously need another hobby. That's all.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #46 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:53:19 PM »

AN ARGUMENT IS A CONVERSATION WITH DIFFERING OPINIONS, getting past the negative connotation associated with the word argument, it isn't a bad thing.

Quote from: lightningninja on January 24, 2011, 09:07:15 PM

See I feel like the argument about "opinion" kind of embodies the useless argumentation that gets so old on these boards. I mean Alex, if you really thought he meant EVERY single person on earth has an opinion about EVERYTHING, then your comment was warranted. I doubt that. Obviously no person even knows close to everything and therefore probably does not hold an opinion on it.

True, Alex was being a little picky when he posted that, but it wasn't a big deal at all, nor did it turn into a big deal until several started raving about some terrible argument taking place, when in all honestly it was a banter of a conversation.

-- if you are really talking about mine and Alex's banter as something negative or as a fight, it is far from it. Sheeeesh. Yeah, there are some pretty ugly discourses around here, but this was neither heated, filled with attacks, nor that serious. It was was a fun amusing conversation regarding my comment, opinions and relativism between some members around here.

Stop over-dramaticizing it. Pretty soon we'll have to stop having conversations entirely because they will all be labeled negative or a fight.

I'm not saying there are not negative conversations around here, but if you go around calling them that, you make it a self-fullfilling prophecy.

STAMP · « **Reply #47 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:22:12 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 24, 2011, 08:33:26 PM

I like how theres an argument in a thread where someone said they are leaving due to all the arguments on the boards.

The only thing missing is something funny posted by me to hopefully lighten the mood.

Q: What do you get when you run over a canary with a lawn mower?
A: Shredded Tweet

(*Had to borrow that one from Ted Moseby.)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #48 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:24:04 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on January 24, 2011, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 24, 2011, 08:33:26 PM
I like how theres an argument in a thread where someone said they are leaving due to all the arguments on the boards.

The only thing missing is something funny posted by me to hopefully lighten the mood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #49 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:54:25 PM »

I'm going to stop posting here until people can realize that disagreement =/= terrible arguments.

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Author Topic: Galadgawan / Reyzen (Read 7785 times)

The Schaef

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