Author Topic: Galadgawan / Reyzen (Read 7780 times)

YourMathTeacher · « **on:** January 23, 2011, 08:49:54 PM »

Quote from: galadgawan

Quote from: YMT
Since this ruling appears to be official, I would recommend that this thread be locked to avoid any more negativity, whether intended or not. There is very little good that continued debate can bring, IMO.

I mostly and strongly disagree with this statement.

There is much good that can come from debate and there is Biblical support for this. I will agree that not all debate is good, that sometimes it can be negative or should be avoided or limited. Some of the things said in that thread were not good but none of us are perfect and I see it as an opportunity for mercy and forgiveness. I think that much of the thread was spent debating how other people communicate. I do think that various people can learn and grow in that area and I wish that could take place in a different thread but I would like a chance to stick to and discuss the actual topic. I do not think that simply stopping all debate or communication as a way to avoid any possible disagreement is the answer.

That statement also assumes that no one else will have any valid points or questions to contribute. I was gone for 2? days and missed 9 pages and it is locked. So are we saying that if you don't live online and constantly check this then tough luck and your thoughts don't matter? I happen to have a few thoughts that I don't think were addressed in that thread (since so much of it was off-topic). I'm hoping to get a chance to do that here.

P.S. If we don't discuss things because they appear to be official then we wouldn't discuss most things and we would ignore the many official things that have changed.

P.S.S. I started with this off-topic post in hopes of avoiding any more of that (happy to discuss it eslewhere) and to not have this locked while trying to get understanding on the topic.

To Galadgawan:

1. Nothing changed by continuing the thread.
2. More negativity was brought into the thread.

The fact that y'all enjoy the negativity and call it "debate" is getting old. Frankly, so am I. Frankly, so is this Message Board. I would say that I will just come back here for Ruling Questions, but that clearly will do no good either.

Red · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:52:40 PM »

This is goodbye? I'll miss your posts...

Ben Wilk · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:46:40 PM »

I will miss you.

crustpope · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:47:48 PM »

@YMT - if you are still posting, are you saying that his post brought more negativity into the discussion? I cant see it. His respose was respsctful and had many good points in it. Debating an issue in a respectful manner is part of who we are as americans. True there is no place for divisive debate that is merely pandering to the lowest common denominator but this does not qualify?

How is this offensive in any way?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2011, 09:54:58 PM »

I think Jonathon had one of the more respectful posts of that entire thread.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:03:27 PM »

I think you're missing the broader point here. There is a lot of negativity on these boards, and that's not conducive to a Christian community. I think that we all can learn an important lesson here. Let's all try to be less negative, look at the positive side of everyone, and make this a place that YMT would want to return to.
I think that it is absolutely repulsive that your first instinct was to tell YMT that he was wrong. This is the exact reason one of my favorite people left.

crustpope · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:06:06 PM »

Hey Somekittens. Get repulsed about something else, I never said YMT was wrong. What really frustrates me is when people put words inother peoples mouth because they simply misread what someone said.

I never said YMT was wrong, I just asked "How is this offensive in any way"

because...

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 23, 2011, 09:54:58 PM

I think Jonathon had one of the more respectful posts of that entire thread.

I would agree with this statement and find it confusing that he would choose this post to make his point.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:56:01 PM »

I was made moderator of the ruling section board, toward the end of the debacle, but before the second topic had been locked.

I find your comments a personal slight against me - As Moderator of the section, it is up to me to determine when a topic has reached a point that is no longer prompting meaningful discussion, additonally it is up to me to determine if prior conversation in the topic was disrespectful, meaningless, or inapropriate.

While I did feel that the first instance of the thread was simply going in circles, Galadgywn did have a point in that because of the speed of conversation, if you're gone for a day, you can miss things. In the second thread additional negativity was not brought in - the same negativity was carried over into it, but the second thread didn't foster the negativity, Jon (Galadgywn) was more respectful than anyone else in the entire proccess - Additionally multiple Elders posted to the thread stating that it was unlikely to change, but encouraged him to bring up his points, and while Jon didn't have a completely new point (merely a rephrasing of an old one) the thread did lead to a couple of good analogies that helped me understand the ruling, and I'm sure they helped others also. When the second thread did go negative, not only was it locked, but I did delete posts from it that did not pertain to the question of the thread.

Furthermore, let this serve as a warning to those of you who cause tension in the Ruling Questions board, I intend to be a much more hands on moderator than my predecessor. I will not hesitate to delete posts or lock threads.

Thanks,

John.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:57:47 PM »

I agree there is a lot of negativity on this board. There is a lot of negativity all over the internet. There is a lot of negativity all over the world, and sadly, a lot of it is in churches. IMHO, I don't think that justifies leaving whatever community you are seeing negativity in. In fact, the places where you see bad things going on are the places where you should stay. Don't expect God's light to shine onto you, but strive for God's light to shine through you. All Christians have moments of weakness and times of struggle, and that's why it's necessary for us to stay together. We need to share God's love with one another.

YMT, you are a very highly valued member of this board. You provide great joy to all of us. You will never find a perfect community, so please don't give up on this one. But whatever you do, please do it with God's blessing. Peace to you.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:11:49 PM »

YMT,

I'm gonna miss ya buddy, on the boards that is. I'll keep in touch (So will the De La Rosas I'm sure). I can't wait to attend another tourney with you once you're ready to host again. Hopefully I'll start helping the Bros host down here upon my return from additional Coast Guard training...

In Christ,

Joshua

**P.S. I totally understand your choice of Quote and your decision. Praying for you and your family.

lightningninja · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:24:22 PM »

Bummer. I feel the same way though. I might also leave soon... too much sarcasm for me. Haha

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:26:07 PM »

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I intend to be a much more liberal moderator than my predecessor. I will not hesitate to delete posts or lock threads.

And perhaps a more confused moderator

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:27:00 PM »

Sorry, I worded that poorly

Happy now

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2011, 11:33:19 PM »

Oh, I'm always happy. Sometimes my happiness is just so intense it appears to be a gryffin riding a unicycle into Mordor.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:58:55 AM »

I am really sad to see you leave YMT..... I will try to keep in contact via email but I will miss you. I understand where you are coming from. I wasn't part of the thread but there an be a lot of negativity. I'm with CS, I can't wait to play at another one of your tournaments. God bless, and may you and your family enjoy life.

drb1200 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2011, 12:18:54 PM »

This forum feels empty now. There will never be a YMT wyn again.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2011, 01:24:13 PM »

YMT...really? I have said it before, but it deserves being restated. We are called to be like Jesus, not like Mr. Rogers. Jesus was not always nice or positive. I think that when we ban negative comments, we remove a vital part of truly open discourse. I understand your frustration about these boards, but we can either run from the problems of the boards or we can stay and help be a part of the solution. I hope you will reconsider and put your valuable input back into this forum.

lightningninja · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2011, 03:59:59 PM »

I believe what YMT is trying to say, and what happens all too often, is that these are not debates. The word "debate" on this forum is used as a mask to cover the sarcasm and negativity.

I've been in these kinds of debates way too often. Instead of a "you're wrong" to a comment, and an explanation why, you receive a "you must be as ignorant as you are inadequate at debating." I don't even remember the last time we had a debate where no one attacked another person with sarcastic remarks.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:04:08 PM »

On the same hand, we need to be aware of when we are being offensive for no reason and tone it down a bit. I have found that no matter how many emoticons you use, you cannot convey your real meaning and emotions very clearly with black and white text. This is where most misunderstaings come from. That is why so many people end up quoting and emphasizing what they meant to say, and even then are misunderstood. I agree with Galadgawyn that we need to be able to discuss things openly and have a free flowing forum where thoughts can be exchanged. I also belive that we can beat a dead horse until it is unrecognizable. I have much love for you all on these boards, but we need to be less hypersensitive and more gracefilled and loving. You give yourself the benefit of the doubt, so why not give others the same leeway. Or maybe it would be better said that God gives you the benefit of the doubt and forgives you, so shouldn't we do the same thing and forgive others?

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:42:45 PM »

None of us are perfect [fact]
We are all sinners [fact]
Everyone is created unique [fact]
Everyone has their own opinion about everything [fact]

People love sharing their opinions. When you have so many people having a discussion on right and wrong in a ruling thread or any other matter, and everyone starts taking sides, it's a debate.

The word "debate" is interchangeable with dispute, argument, discussion, etc

In 1882, Rev. James Parker stated that "The spirit of debate is opposed to the spirit of love."

It is very fair and understandable to request that people keep discussions respectful, peaceful, and loving, but to expect perfection is also unreasonable.

-- YMT I had hoped for an opportunity to meet you one day. I was told it would completely change my opinion of you. I hear you are a person of respect, but at the same time, to me you are only a screen name. I hope you do not take us butting heads as personal, because in circumstances such as these, it is far from it.

In any event, as you have been an active member here, and for the most part added to the great atmosphere, I encourage you to overlook the drama, disrespect, arguments, etc, and re-consider sticking around.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:45:04 PM »

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Everyone has their own opinion about everything [fact]

Opinion.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:50:58 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on January 24, 2011, 04:48:05 PM

Read that a couple times and just think about it.

I did, not really seeing where you are going with the comment.

Everyone has their own opinion about everything.... because they are unique and do not think in the same way. While some people share some opinions, everyone's opinion is their own, whether they chose to accept someone else's or not.

Ironica · « **Reply #23 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:09:59 PM »

What about those who have no opinion on a subject? Is having no opinion an opinion?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:10:48 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on January 23, 2011, 10:56:01 PM

I was made moderator of the ruling section board, toward the end of the debacle, but before the second topic had been locked.

I find your comments a personal slight against me - As Moderator of the section,...

My original post, that Galadgawan quoted, was from the first thread, so do not take it as a slight.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on January 23, 2011, 10:57:47 PM

I agree there is a lot of negativity on this board. There is a lot of negativity all over the internet.

I won't be going to those sites either.

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on January 24, 2011, 01:24:13 PM

YMT...really?

Really.

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on January 24, 2011, 04:42:45 PM

-- YMT I had hoped for an opportunity to meet you one day. I was told it would completely change my opinion of you. I hear you are a person of respect,...

No, I'm just as annoying in person.

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on January 24, 2011, 04:42:45 PM

I hope you do not take us butting heads as personal, because in circumstances such as these, it is far from it.

I do not harbor any ill will toward you.

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Author Topic: Galadgawan / Reyzen (Read 7780 times)

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