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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2018, 10:37:54 AM »
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Unless I missed it I’ve yet to see any compelling evidence from those who feel the Nephilim can be considered a hero as to what proof you can provide to support that position, other than the one word in that verse that says “hero,” which in other translations says “mighty men.”
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2018, 11:09:22 AM »
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The Nephilim are always spoken of as evil. Should be an evil character.
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2018, 12:09:32 PM »
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The card feels like there was a great idea for a card, then you found a translation that refers to them as heroes to justify him being duel alignment.  This is a lot like if we tried to make Judas a duel alignment card because he was a disciple chosen by Jesus, therefore he can be at least part hero because it would make for a cool card.  I don't mean for this to be harsh or trying to lay blame, this is just what the situation feels like to me.  I know there is a lot of room for interpretation on this guy and some considerations need to be made for game play reasons, but this guy shouldn't be a hero
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2018, 12:32:17 PM »
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Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on March 30, 2018, 12:09:32 PM
This feels a lot like if we tried to make Judas a duel alignment card because he was a disciple chosen by Jesus, therefore he can be at least part hero.

I don't feel these two characters can be compared as the hero premise of Nephilim is based solely upon one questionably translated word that has been only recently translated as "hero," while other versions (including the original Hebrew) have it as "mighty men."  Judas was always the son of perdition.  He stole from the money box while he was a disciple.  There's nothing to say that he was ever a "good guy" but was picked by Jesus, from the very beginning, knowing that he was a thief and would betray Him.  That was Judas' purpose and role based upon his choices.  Judas is rightly aligned to be an EC in Redemption.  Nephilim is obviously considered evil because if they were "hero good guys" then why would God only save Noah and his family and not the Nephilim?  This simple fact is evidence by itself that they were evil beings (not to mention that the very next verse after the Nephilim being introduced into the world dealt with the evil that was in the world and why the world needed to be washed cleaned and needed a fresh start).  All association with them throughout history has been that they were evil beings.  There has been zero evidence showing the contrary.
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2018, 01:10:34 PM »
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That's my point, just because nephilim was called a hero in some translation and Judas was called a disciple doesn't make them a hero
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2018, 03:47:55 PM »
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Gee, can't wait for more spoilers so we can criticize those too!  ::) :thumbup:
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2018, 03:55:54 PM »
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Quote from: TheHobbit on March 30, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
Gee, can't wait for more spoilers so we can criticize those too!  ::) :thumbup:

Yeah because no constructive criticism from the community should ever be considered.  :thumbup:
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2018, 03:56:53 PM »
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Please view an announcement regarding Nephilim here.

Quote from: TheHobbit on March 30, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
Gee, can't wait for more spoilers so we can criticize those too!  ::) :thumbup:

Apparently you saw the new ANB Dominant I recently spoiled in the deck building section, eh?
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2018, 04:04:16 PM »
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Quote from: Watchman492 on March 30, 2018, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: TheHobbit on March 30, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
Gee, can't wait for more spoilers so we can criticize those too!  ::) :thumbup:

Yeah because no constructive criticism from the community should ever be considered.  :thumbup:

Saying the same thing over and over again ceases to be constructive after, like, one page.
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2018, 04:11:45 PM »
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Re: Heroic Nephilim
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2018, 04:12:50 PM »
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+1 with Hobbit so if we continue to have posts unrelated to the discussion of the Nephilim I will lock this thread. The decision on the card has been made, so no further discussion is needed on that topic.  However, I'm totally fine with further discussion and/or research being shared.  8)

#CryingNephilim  ;D
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