Author Topic: Feedback on the Ratings System (Read 10381 times)

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2011, 06:56:33 PM »

For one thing nobody abused it.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #26 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:36:36 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 27, 2011, 05:02:43 PM

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on December 23, 2011, 01:17:43 AM
I thought the old system was much better, even though it may have been more work. Just my experience
You thought "Encouragement" worked better as a whole? If I may ask, what are your reasons for this?

/Unless he's referring to the system that was around before me. Same question.

Sorry, I relinquish my opinion from this thread for no reason beyond- I'm not around enough to weigh in on these types of topics anymore. You, active members, should be the ones posting your thoughts here

lp670sv · « **Reply #27 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:37:44 AM »

I just -1 any post that isn't funny or specifically praising me. That makes it all fair.

STAMP · « **Reply #28 on:** December 28, 2011, 11:53:09 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 28, 2011, 02:37:44 AM

I just -1 any post that isn't funny or specifically praising me. That makes it all fair.

Works for me!

And to think, in all those letters above if you had just included a 'b' I would have plus-1'd it.

lp670sv · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2011, 12:05:43 PM »

come on now who -1's a blatant joke?

STAMP · « **Reply #30 on:** December 28, 2011, 12:33:42 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 28, 2011, 12:05:43 PM

come on now who -1's a blatant joke?

One man's good humor is another man's popsicle. Guess which one gets licked in a contest?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** December 28, 2011, 12:59:48 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 28, 2011, 12:05:43 PM

come on now who -1's a blatant joke?

It wasn't funny or specifically praising you, I was just following instructions.

lp670sv · « **Reply #32 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:08:11 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 28, 2011, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on December 28, 2011, 12:05:43 PM
come on now who -1's a blatant joke?

It wasn't funny or specifically praising you, I was just following instructions.

*sigh* plus one

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #33 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:28:22 PM »

I don't mind the -1's in this system at all. As said, we're allowed to disagree with things people say, and this is just a way of doing that without posting.

I'm also fine either way with people being able to see who voted or not, though if I had to pick, I think it'd be nice if everyone could see who is voting their posts.

The Warrior · « **Reply #34 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on December 28, 2011, 01:28:22 PM

I don't mind the -1's in this system at all. As said, we're allowed to disagree with things people say, and this is just a way of doing that without posting.

I'm also fine either way with people being able to see who voted or not, though if I had to pick, I think it'd be nice if everyone could see who is voting their posts.

-1 is does Not in any way add to a accepting/Happy Environment, But neither does restricting someones ability to disagree.
Being able to Disagree with anonymity allows for more bold and Ab- Use and may to lead the allusion that since a large number of -1's was received that everyone Hates Him/Her/His Ideas/Her Ideas, then again If you are Old enough to be part of this forum you are probably wise enough to know otherwise.

My Opinion: Do Not Remove the -1 option, but Activate that ability to See who -/+'d You. It's the best option.

lp670sv · « **Reply #35 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:39:08 PM »

terrible idea to let people know who -1. eliminates the point of -1, to disagree without causing an argument all the time

The Warrior · « **Reply #36 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:51:46 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 28, 2011, 02:39:08 PM

terrible idea to let people know who -1. eliminates the point of -1, to disagree without causing an argument all the time

How? If You Disagree, Wish to Reveal Yourself, (by -/+)you should have a Reason and Should state it. If You Don't have a reason to disagree(which the current system allows),Don't. and who said the Resulting Conversations would be arguments? People on here can hold a Civil,Polite Debate which is more than I can say for some Boards

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #37 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:54:54 PM »

My argument is simple: If mods are allowed to see who uses the

/-1 option, regular members should be able to as well. There are a few mods like Wraith or RTSmaniac who have boards that don't ever require moderation but are still granted the ability to see who can

/-1 a post. That seems pretty unfair, in my opinion. I'd be more okay with this if they could only see that in their own forums.

I also agree that if someone wants to disagree with what someone has said, they should have to own up to that. If people are being petty about it, then that's another issue altogether. In the meantime though, -1 without explanation doesn't encourage discussion, it just encourages anger and it encourages people not to post anything that isn't "JESUS IS AWESOME" or some other widely-held belief here on the forums.

The Warrior · « **Reply #38 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:57:36 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 28, 2011, 02:54:54 PM

My argument is simple: If mods are allowed to see who uses the /-1 option, regular members should be able to as well. There are a few mods like Wraith or RTSmaniac who have boards that don't ever require moderation but are still granted the ability to see who can /-1 a post. That seems pretty unfair, in my opinion. I'd be more okay with this if they could only see that in their own forums.

I also agree that if someone wants to disagree with what someone has said, they should have to own up to that. If people are being petty about it, then that's another issue altogether. In the meantime though, -1 without explanation doesn't encourage discussion, it just encourages anger and it encourages people not to post anything that isn't "JESUS IS AWESOME" or some other widely-held belief here on the forums.

1+(The Warrior)

lp670sv · « **Reply #39 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:03:36 PM »

Quote from: The Warrior on December 28, 2011, 02:51:46 PM

How? If You Disagree, Wish to Reveal Yourself, (by -/+)you should have a Reason and Should state it. If You Don't have a reason to disagree(which the current system allows),Don't. and who said the Resulting Conversations would be arguments? SOME People on here can hold a Civil,Polite Debate which is more than I can say for some Boards

FTFY

Just because some member can handle polite distention doesn't mean they all can. I don't know what boards you frequent but this is one of the most confrontation message boards I visit on a regular basis.

Does anyone arguing against the minus one for reasons of abuse actually have any proof that it's being abused? I've never seen a post with more then a -5 and that was in a thread with about 30 separate people commenting so that's 1/6th of the thread disagreeing, that's hardly abuse.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #40 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:08:21 PM »

A strict definition of "abuse" would need to be clarified. I define abuse of the -1 as using it without any kind of follow-up comment, assuming nobody else has already posted what you would say, verbatim. Being able to see the ratings would clear up a lot of confusion there, because if I see that X member has disliked my post, but liked a post that was in direct contest to mine, I'm going to understand what that person meant. If I just see five random -5 on my post, especially if nobody bothers to clarify why that is, I'm going to be confused, unless I made a bad pun or something.

lp670sv · « **Reply #41 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:12:10 PM »

The bad pun was the one -5 I say

I don't think it was yours though.

That works fine until people disagree consistently. If you disagree with a lot of my opinions, that;s fine with me and as someone who doesn't really care about that kind of thing that won't affect me, but we know there are people on these boards that take things personally, and if you just happen to disagree with 3 of there posts in a row (which is extremely likely in a ruling thread where people are often unwilling to give up their position) suddenly it goes from "I disagree" to that guy is minus 1ing everything I post! Overreact, fight, game, set match.

The mods are responsible for making sure the system isn't abused. They do their jobs just fine.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #42 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:15:35 PM »

To be fair though, that sounds a lot more like a symptom of a bigger problem, which it is. I simply see no reason that say, SomeKittens can see who has liked or disliked his post here on Off-Topic, when it has nothing to do with his moderation abilities.

lp670sv · « **Reply #43 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:16:48 PM »

Part of being a mod is keeping order on the boards. People abusing the +/- system is disrupting order. Kittens will handle it, we can all move on without ever causing a larger conflict.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #44 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:19:28 PM »

Kittens can't handle it, because he doesn't have any authority here in Off-Topic, only uthminister
and the global mods/administrators do.

lp670sv · « **Reply #45 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:25:28 PM »

He can PM the people involved, without making it a public thing. And maybe the system doesn't support allowing mods to only view the ratings on boards they mod? Did you ever think of that?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #46 on:** December 28, 2011, 03:28:22 PM »

I did, and if that's the case, then I'm less worried about that particular aspect of my argument. I still think the general community should be allowed to see who likes or dislikes posts, or at the very least their own posts.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #47 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:29:06 PM »

When a moderator publicly calls out another member for giving them a -1, I think we have a problem. Either moderators should not be able to see a -1 themself, or everyone should be able to see who gives them a -1, or maybe that person should just not be a moderator anymore. It's not so much that the system is flawed. It's that people (including myself of course) are flawed, and we sometimes allow our character flaws to influence our behavior.

lp670sv · « **Reply #48 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:31:18 PM »

So your solution is to give the power to call each other out and increase these instances.....

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #49 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:32:55 PM »

I've never actually seen anyone call someone else out for disliking a post, though I have once or twice angrily requested that those who did dislike my post(s) explain why (this was in one of the debate threads, though I can't recall which one right now).

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