Author Topic: Feedback on the Ratings System (Read 10479 times)

Chronic Apathy · « **on:** October 31, 2011, 12:22:59 PM »

How do people feel about the +1/-1 system here on the forums? Do you think it's a good idea? I'm, obviously, not asking in any kind of official capacity, I'm just curious about what people think. Personally, I think it's very hit and miss. I like the functionality of the +1's. It helps keep the ruling threads a little smaller, since sometimes people can just +1 a correct answer instead of the "I agree" smiley in a separate post. Additionally, it's just a nice little bonus for a witty or otherwise insightful post, and allows people to support a viewpoint without necessarily having to make a post to state the same thing somebody else did. If I could make one change to this portion of the system, I would allow people to see the screen names of those who have given a +1 to a post (and only a +1, not a -1). Conversely, I think I would remove -1 altogether. I've seen a few isolated incidents where it's been abused, and I've never seen it be used in a manner where I thought, "boy, I'm glad we have that!" I think it risks offending people, and in general just doesn't contribute anything to the site.

Thoughts?

STAMP · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2011, 12:53:19 PM »

Personally, I don't use the '-1' and only use the '+ 1' for players that admit to playing ANB.

Red · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2011, 12:59:26 PM »

I play ANB. _{And don't like the ratings...}

SomeKittens · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2011, 01:08:36 PM »

It's a decent system. I'd rather have this one than nothing at all. Plus ones are nice to give out to someone who says something particularly profound or funny. (Sometimes both). I only minus one to someone being particularly offensive or arrogant.

katedid · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2011, 11:07:42 PM »

1. ^ I agree
2. I dont understand why people dont use ANB

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2011, 12:19:56 AM »

Honestly I liked encouragement better.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:26:30 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on November 01, 2011, 12:19:56 AM

Honestly I liked encouragement better.

Yeah, then no one got angry about -1's.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2011, 10:03:40 AM »

The only reason I could see for removing -1 is that it makes it easy to see how many people mad when you're going for the lulz. I've seen some posts with like -5 where I know for the fact the poster is quite proud of that fact. Other than that the system works.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #8 on:** November 03, 2011, 11:46:59 AM »

I'm totally arbitrary in my +-'s to confuse people.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2011, 11:48:12 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on November 03, 2011, 11:46:59 AM

I'm totally arbitrary in my +-'s to confuse people.

In accordance with that, I both +'d and -'d that post AT THE SAME TIME.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2011, 12:09:05 PM »

If we are truly supposed to be encouraging one another, then I don't see why -1 exists at all. It is discouraging when it happens and you have no idea what you've done wrong, said wrong, said that was offensive, etc. You simply have no idea, and the person adding the -1 is totally anonymous and does not have to explain their actions (even to a built in admin system). It's like people being able to flag your Craigslist ad and take it down for no reason, and with no repurcussions. I furthermore think -1 is a cowardly way to say that you don't agree with what is being said, but you're not brave enough to engage in the conversation yourself and let your own ideas be open to debate/scrutiny.

Finally, the whole

/-1 system can create situations where weaker people "pile on" to whichever side seems to be winning the +/- war, like voting for or against a candidate just because everyone else is.

But these are just my thoughts. FYI that I'm also a member of two other sites/forums, one for board games and one for an MMO, and I don't believe that either of those sites for SECULAR games have the ability to -1 a post. But I'll research this further and confirm.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2011, 12:41:26 PM »

I'm bumping this up with an additional thought. A few weeks ago, there was a conversation over in the shout box, with Gabe not realizing that regular members couldn't see who had posted

/-1, and could only see the numbers. Do people think this system is more likely to not be abused or overly used if the system wasn't largely anonymous?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2011, 01:24:11 PM »

I think there are enough mods that are consistently active to see if the system is being abused (at least to a great extent). If some members are able to see that others -1 them on a regular basis, they might get mad and hate on the voter, even if the -1's are legitimate.

In fact, that has already happened at least once with a mod

.

The Warrior · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2011, 03:31:21 PM »

Is it possible to see which users +/- 1 to another, if so, i would like it activated. ( it can also be used to see who is abusing the +/-)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2011, 03:32:51 PM »

Quote from: The Warrior on December 20, 2011, 03:31:21 PM

Is it possible to see which users +/- 1 to another, if so, i would like it activated. ( it can also be used to see who is abusing the +/-)

While it is possible, currently only mods can do it. Like Sauce said, if there's an abuse, we'll see it. (and if you think we missed it, PM one of us, and we can check it out)

stefferweffer · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2011, 04:40:28 PM »

I believe that if we keep -1 (which I hope that we don't), each of us should be able to see who added a minus 1. Do the same for + 1 if you like. Right now only certain people can see who puts a -1 on their posts, and some have a tendency to use that information in an unhealthy way. -1 is a mistake, in my opinion, to have in a forum of Christians that should be encouraging each other, and frankly while it exists it is too tempting for me (and others) to use it on a post I disagree with rather than take the time to issue a response. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. I post at two other sites, one for board games, and one for an MMO, and NEITHER of those sites have the option to -1 a person's posts. It has always seemed very strange that we insist on having it here of all places.

soul seeker · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2011, 09:00:34 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on December 20, 2011, 04:40:28 PM

I believe that if we keep -1 (which I hope that we don't), each of us should be able to see who added a minus 1. Do the same for + 1 if you like. Right now only certain people can see who puts a -1 on their posts, and some have a tendency to use that information in an unhealthy way. -1 is a mistake, in my opinion, to have in a forum of Christians that should be encouraging each other, and frankly while it exists it is too tempting for me (and others) to use it on a post I disagree with rather than take the time to issue a response. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. I post at two other sites, one for board games, and one for an MMO, and NEITHER of those sites have the option to -1 a person's posts. It has always seemed very strange that we insist on having it here of all places.

People do have the right to disagree with someone without getting into a long and involved debate that leads nowhere with no changed minds. A -1 allows for this right in such instances. It is not a slight on anyone. I use it all the time...it is not a personal attack, but my way of disagreeing without getting involved either emotionally or in a time-consuming way. Additionally, as a mod, I keep track of who - or + if the number is more than 2 either way. It is not abused for the most part nor is it some unholy/unChristian attack either. Now I have posted in response to your "2nd" disagreement but wasted 15 minutes of my time when a -1 could have done just as well. Why? Because you have not changed your mind about them despite my logical response. It's a preference and not that big of a deal.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:31:02 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on December 20, 2011, 09:00:34 PM

Quote from: stefferweffer on December 20, 2011, 04:40:28 PM
I believe that if we keep -1 (which I hope that we don't), each of us should be able to see who added a minus 1. Do the same for + 1 if you like. Right now only certain people can see who puts a -1 on their posts, and some have a tendency to use that information in an unhealthy way. -1 is a mistake, in my opinion, to have in a forum of Christians that should be encouraging each other, and frankly while it exists it is too tempting for me (and others) to use it on a post I disagree with rather than take the time to issue a response. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. I post at two other sites, one for board games, and one for an MMO, and NEITHER of those sites have the option to -1 a person's posts. It has always seemed very strange that we insist on having it here of all places.
People do have the right to disagree with someone without getting into a long and involved debate that leads nowhere with no changed minds. A -1 allows for this right in such instances. It is not a slight on anyone. I use it all the time...it is not a personal attack, but my way of disagreeing without getting involved either emotionally or in a time-consuming way. Additionally, as a mod, I keep track of who - or + if the number is more than 2 either way. It is not abused for the most part nor is it some unholy/unChristian attack either. Now I have posted in response to your "2nd" disagreement but wasted 15 minutes of my time when a -1 could have done just as well. Why? Because you have not changed your mind about them despite my logical response. It's a preference and not that big of a deal.

The thing is though, this is a discussion forum. It's made for discussion. There are indeed some instances where I can see a -1 without anything else being necessary, however, the majority of the time, if you're not willing to put forth the effort to explain why you disagree, I'd argue you should just keep your opinion to yourself, even if that opinion is only expressed in that number.

I am a part of the 99% who can't see who -1/+1'd my posts, and I am going to occupy this topic.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:32:42 PM »

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 22, 2011, 11:31:02 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on December 20, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: stefferweffer on December 20, 2011, 04:40:28 PM
I believe that if we keep -1 (which I hope that we don't), each of us should be able to see who added a minus 1. Do the same for + 1 if you like. Right now only certain people can see who puts a -1 on their posts, and some have a tendency to use that information in an unhealthy way. -1 is a mistake, in my opinion, to have in a forum of Christians that should be encouraging each other, and frankly while it exists it is too tempting for me (and others) to use it on a post I disagree with rather than take the time to issue a response. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. I post at two other sites, one for board games, and one for an MMO, and NEITHER of those sites have the option to -1 a person's posts. It has always seemed very strange that we insist on having it here of all places.
People do have the right to disagree with someone without getting into a long and involved debate that leads nowhere with no changed minds. A -1 allows for this right in such instances. It is not a slight on anyone. I use it all the time...it is not a personal attack, but my way of disagreeing without getting involved either emotionally or in a time-consuming way. Additionally, as a mod, I keep track of who - or + if the number is more than 2 either way. It is not abused for the most part nor is it some unholy/unChristian attack either. Now I have posted in response to your "2nd" disagreement but wasted 15 minutes of my time when a -1 could have done just as well. Why? Because you have not changed your mind about them despite my logical response. It's a preference and not that big of a deal.

The thing is though, this is a discussion forum. It's made for discussion. There are indeed some instances where I can see a -1 without anything else being necessary, however, the majority of the time, if you're not willing to put forth the effort to explain why you disagree, I'd argue you should just keep your opinion to yourself, even if that opinion is only expressed in that number.

I am a part of the 99% who can't see who -1/+1'd my posts, and I am going to occupy this topic.

I'm part of the 1%, and I think you should get off my lawn.

lp670sv · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:55:08 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on December 22, 2011, 11:49:47 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on December 22, 2011, 11:31:02 PM
Quote from: soul seeker on December 20, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: stefferweffer on December 20, 2011, 04:40:28 PM
I believe that if we keep -1 (which I hope that we don't), each of us should be able to see who added a minus 1. Do the same for + 1 if you like. Right now only certain people can see who puts a -1 on their posts, and some have a tendency to use that information in an unhealthy way. -1 is a mistake, in my opinion, to have in a forum of Christians that should be encouraging each other, and frankly while it exists it is too tempting for me (and others) to use it on a post I disagree with rather than take the time to issue a response. I have said this before, but I'll say it again. I post at two other sites, one for board games, and one for an MMO, and NEITHER of those sites have the option to -1 a person's posts. It has always seemed very strange that we insist on having it here of all places.
People do have the right to disagree with someone without getting into a long and involved debate that leads nowhere with no changed minds. A -1 allows for this right in such instances. It is not a slight on anyone. I use it all the time...it is not a personal attack, but my way of disagreeing without getting involved either emotionally or in a time-consuming way. Additionally, as a mod, I keep track of who - or + if the number is more than 2 either way. It is not abused for the most part nor is it some unholy/unChristian attack either. Now I have posted in response to your "2nd" disagreement but wasted 15 minutes of my time when a -1 could have done just as well. Why? Because you have not changed your mind about them despite my logical response. It's a preference and not that big of a deal.

The thing is though, this is a discussion forum. It's made for discussion. There are indeed some instances where I can see a -1 without anything else being necessary, however, the majority of the time, if you're not willing to put forth the effort to explain why you disagree, I'd argue you should just keep your opinion to yourself, even if that opinion is only expressed in that number.

I am a part of the 99% who can't see who -1/+1'd my posts, and I am going to occupy this topic.
I'm part of the 1%, and I think you should get off my lawn.

You forgot to tell him to get a job in the economy you ruined

#continuing the joke, not trying to start a political debate.
#LET ME BACK IN OPEN DISCUSSION!!!

SomeKittens · « **Reply #21 on:** December 23, 2011, 12:06:36 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on December 22, 2011, 11:55:08 PM

#LET ME BACK IN OPEN DISCUSSION!!!

First, you have to write lots of paragraphs proving only the most obscurest points of your opponent wrong. Then, you have to establish a reputation of doing so randomly. Don't side with any particular statement of belief, only yell at people who are "wrong." Finally, limit your entire communication on this forum to that and how the forum just got updated.

At least that's how I think you become admin. What were we talking about?

[I'm not sure if this belongs on a post at all as it borders on the funny criticism of those of us who are in charge (which is OK) and the mean-spirited slander of an individual (which is NOT OK).]

lp670sv · « **Reply #22 on:** December 23, 2011, 12:17:39 AM »

also lol

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #23 on:** December 23, 2011, 01:17:43 AM »

I thought the old system was much better, even though it may have been more work. Just my experience

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2011, 05:02:43 PM »

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on December 23, 2011, 01:17:43 AM

I thought the old system was much better, even though it may have been more work. Just my experience

You thought "Encouragement" worked better as a whole? If I may ask, what are your reasons for this?

/Unless he's referring to the system that was around before me. Same question.

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Author Topic: Feedback on the Ratings System (Read 10479 times)

Chronic Apathy

TheHobbit13

Rawrlolsauce!

Chronic Apathy

Rawrlolsauce!

Chronic Apathy