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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: CJSports on May 19, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
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How many people have heard about this minister make this prediction for 5/21? I so what are your thoughts on it?
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/is-anybody-here-followingbelieving-this-may-21-judgment-day-stuff/ (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/is-anybody-here-followingbelieving-this-may-21-judgment-day-stuff/)
Three posts below this one.
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Thanks!
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i thought this was funny:
http://www.shopecko.com/home/index.jsp (http://www.shopecko.com/home/index.jsp)
they're having a 'judgement day sale', everything 35% off sitewide until tomorrow. :)
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If my pet dinosaur is left behind tomorrow I guess you could say......
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It wasn't a velocirapture
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If my pet dinosaur is left behind tomorrow I guess you could say......
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It wasn't a velocirapture
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
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i thought this was funny:
http://www.shopecko.com/home/index.jsp (http://www.shopecko.com/home/index.jsp)
they're having a 'judgement day sale', everything 35% off sitewide until tomorrow. :)
lol #vanity
4 minutes till the rapture starts in australia! If anyone sees any floating kangaroos let me know,
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9 Minutes till it starts here ;)
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9 Minutes till it starts here ;)
Not 6AM, 6PM. It will start this evening. Geez.
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well i think its all just speculation, i mean the rapture could happen in 2 days, 2 seconds, or 2000 years! we just dont know.
my suggestion is whether it is tonight or not be ready all the time. :)
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looking at this guys math again... where is the number 12?
If ANY number from the Bible had major significance, it would be 12.
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well its 6:04 pm here in new york and I don't see anyone floating away, there is no earthquake, and i see no zombies. GG morons.
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It wasn't all bad. There doesn't seem to be any mass suicides going on, which I was mildly worried about, and on the other hand, I got to save 15% on a "Jesus Saves and So Can You!" sale.
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It wasn't all bad. There doesn't seem to be any mass suicides going on, which I was mildly worried about, and on the other hand, I got to save 15% on a "Jesus Saves and So Can You!" sale.
there were a lot of doomsday and rapture related sales, i didnt take advantage of any but enjoyed the thought. i just wanna know how this guys plans to return the millions he conned out of people for this crap or buy all their stuff back for them.
Also why is it that whenever someone predicts the end of the world the people who believe it sell all their stuff? You can't take the money or the stuff with you....
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It actually happened. But so few were taken no one has noticed yet.
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It actually happened. But so few were taken no one has noticed yet.
and what about the earthquakes that were supposed to happen too? lol
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He was being figurative.
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He was being figurative.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.chan4chan.com%2Fimg%2F2009-04-21%2F1240265992468.jpg&hash=fbf0addba5017076acdbde9c703617d99459e4a4)
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Also, I guess people on the International Space Station would have been pretty lucky if he was right, no earthquakes in space!
Oh and, get this. He said the entire earth was going to be destroyed on October 21, 2011.
Hey dude, What happened to that part in the bible where it says there would be 1000 years BEFORE everything is destroyed?
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Also, I saw this and laughed quite a bit.
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Well that worked out well.
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hehehehe we're still here... lol ;p
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man! i was really hoping this would cause a meta shift!
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Nope, Thad is still good.
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I'm praying that no one with this group kills themselves,but turns back to the Bible to discover where they messed up.
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I couldn't care less about doomsday predictions, but one thing that concerns me is that people who don't really know about the bible see billboards everywhere saying "The World Ends May 21! The Bible guarantees it!" and when nothing happens, they think the bible is completely false.
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There is also one sad story of a christian family that the parents sold all of their possesions, marketed their jobs and moved to New York when their own teenage children didn't even believe that it would happen.
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I couldn't care less about doomsday predictions, but one thing that concerns me is that people who don't really know about the bible see billboards everywhere saying "The World Ends May 21! The Bible guarantees it!" and when nothing happens, they think the bible is completely false.
Agreed. This man did nothing but further hurt all of the honest Christians, because now people who saw those billboards might think ALL Christians are nutcases.
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Agreed. This man did nothing but further hurt all of the honest Christians, because now people who saw those billboards might think ALL Christians are nutcases.
I hate to break it to you but Westboro Baptist beat him to it :P
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yeah it was all so dumb! if they really read the bible they would know, "no one knows the day or the hour when christ will return." and odviously he proved that to be true! lol ;)
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Poor guy... probably feels quite, how to put it nicely, misled. Imagine the ridicule he might be receiving now :/.
Now... on to 2012...
Carry On,
-C_S
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I actually don't see much harm coming from this. People have been predicting that Jesus would come back since the original apostle's time. Most recently there were famous predictions (that a lot of people talked about at the time) in 1980, 1988, 2000, 2008, and this year. Meanwhile there's already a famous prediction that even got a movie made about it (2012). People are used to this sort of nonsense.
Most people know that this isn't mainstream Christianity making these claims, but just wacky preachers here and there. It's not like the Pope claimed that Jesus was coming back on a certain day. Therefore the only people who will respond to this with more skepticism towards Christianity are the people who are already militantly opposed to Christianity and are just looking for another excuse to attack it.
On the flip side, it is possible that someone got suckered into thinking that Jesus was coming back, and examined themselves, and found that they were not ready. Perhaps some people even got saved this weekend who wouldn't have otherwise. And surely most of them won't stick with that kind of a conversion long-term. But a few of them might. So in the long run, I actually think that more good than bad could come out of this experience. At least I hope so :)
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I agree. This is a perfect wake-up call for some folks. While I am saddened that some were falsely misled,I also believe that God used this crazy prediction to His advantage. Image what would have happened if Christ had returned in Feb,before this got all the media attention. How many would have been left behind? Even with this guy being wrong-many probably turned to Christ because they didn't want to be left behind. Even though we don't know when,we should always be ready!
God Bless Y'all!
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I actually don't see much harm coming from this. People have been predicting that Jesus would come back since the original apostle's time. Most recently there were famous predictions (that a lot of people talked about at the time) in 1980, 1988, 2000, 2008, and this year. Meanwhile there's already a famous prediction that even got a movie made about it (2012). People are used to this sort of nonsense.
Most people know that this isn't mainstream Christianity making these claims, but just wacky preachers here and there. It's not like the Pope claimed that Jesus was coming back on a certain day. Therefore the only people who will respond to this with more skepticism towards Christianity are the people who are already militantly opposed to Christianity and are just looking for another excuse to attack it.
On the flip side, it is possible that someone got suckered into thinking that Jesus was coming back, and examined themselves, and found that they were not ready. Perhaps some people even got saved this weekend who wouldn't have otherwise. And surely most of them won't stick with that kind of a conversion long-term. But a few of them might. So in the long run, I actually think that more good than bad could come out of this experience. At least I hope so :)
It just bothers me that (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkingdomexclusion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FFamily-Radio-Judgment-Day-May-21-12-e1304536542513.jpg&hash=590a8f8dd813d099e54dfbfbcc9c1c8bbb78d623) "THE BIBLE GUARANTEES IT!" That's totally bogus and I hope people who may have become Christians think the Bible was is still true aside from the false claims about it and that it predicted the apocalypse wrong. :P
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The harm that comes from this isn't so much on the public opinion of christianity, its the people who spent there life savings on billboards or donated to this moron. There was a guy that spent his entire life savings and fell behind on his mortgage so he could see the sites before the rapture. and theres hundreds if not thousands like him
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"THE BIBLE GUARANTEES IT!"
This is exactly what bugs me. People will see the false signs claiming the Bible guaranteed it was on the 21st, and then think "well, if the Bible did say that, then obviously it's false and Christianity can't be true!"
I have a feeling those billboards will have that tragic effect on a lot of people.
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Also: Here's a list of a few more dates you should be aware of:
70 AD: the fall and desecration of Jerusalem ended the world, according to the Preterists. Whoops.
500: Hippolytus of Rime worked out the Biblical ’6,000 year rule’ to apply to this year. For more fun with that same figure, keep reading.
989: Halley’s Comet always brings impending doom. Just ask Mark Twain.
1000: very little of an apocalyptic nature happened this year, aside from a bunch of Christians getting worked up about the rather flexible millennium date.
1874: the Jehovah’s Witnesses begin a long and lucrative career of predicting Armageddon, starting with this year. BTW: it didn’t happen.
1878: It didn’t happen this year, either.
1881: no, really…the JW’s were on a roll.
1910: again? Well, if you Witnesses say so.
1914: people are probably starting to wonder about Jehovah’s Witnesses.
1918: we like the four-year cycle, but could the Jehovah’s Witnesses maybe split it up into a summer apocalypse and a winter apocalypse?
1925: about this time, people may be forgiven for hoping that the world ends just to shut the Jehovah’s Witnesses up about it.
1975: they gave us a 50-year break (which included WWII, which was chock full of apocalyptic signs) but those scrappy Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t done yet.
1982: “The Christ is Now Here”, according to the Tara Center, who later state that He’s not ready to reveal himself after all.
1984: Orwell buffs and Jehovah’s Witnesses alike considered this to be a significant year. Unless Van Halen is the antichrist (not unproven), they were probably all wrong.
1994: Nostradamus tries posthumously to beat the Jehovah’s Witnesses record for most failed predictions. Luckily, he’s much more vague and obscure, so he’s never really wrong…
1997: No, really, the Christ is Now Here, according to Share International (a.k.a. the Tara Center). Interestingly enough, The Christ (a.k.a. Maitreya) tops the list of several groups who believe him to be the Antichrist instead. Either way is okay with us — we still get apocalypse!
1998: This is the year, says Nostradamus and others (and maybe not even him). For example, Eli Eshoh proved that the Rapture was going to happen, and by golly, it did (didn’t you notice?). We’re still not sure who were raptured, but those of us Left Behind should watch out for 2028. Two ends of the world for the price of one? Good deal!
2000: the change of the millennium makes a great date for the End Times. However, even the Y2K Bug turned out to be little more than a minor inconvenience.
2003: Ah, those wacky Zetas. They seemed so sure, and now Nancy and the rest of the earthworm-eaters simply claim that the Pole Shift of May 15th, 2003 was some sort of smokescreen or conspiracy, and the real day is still coming. But they won’t say when.
2008 2009 2010 2011: The Lord’s Witnesses (absolutely NOT Jehovah’s Witnesses, despite strikingly obvious similarities) are pretty sure that it’s all over one of these years. Well, as long as there’s still a World War I veteran alive, we’ve got nothing to worry about…so at least a year or two. Additionally, Harold Camping of Family Radio is pretty sure it’s all over in May. Or maybe October. Either way, he’s 100% sure.
2012: a very popular choice lately (and will probably remain so, up until the end of December). The basis for this date is Mayan calendars, Nostradamus, and sunspot predictions — and possibly a savvy marketing campaign by the Cults and Survival Gear coalition.
2014: Hey, this one comes from a Pope, so it must be true. In 1514 Leo IX gave us 500 years. You’d think that would be long enough to get our act together, but noooooooo…
2017: and then there’s the “Sword of God Brotherhood” (great name) who will be the only ones surviving this year, tasked with repopulating the planet. Hopefully there’s a Sisterhood as well. Or not…
2028: Eli Eshoe again. Anybody left after the great Rapture of 2008 (remember that?) and the ensuing tribulation (i.e., now) has until 2028 to prove themselves. Get to work.
2240: the Talmud says that the world as we know it will only last 6,000 years, starting with the creation of Adam (which apparently happened about 5770 years ago…sorry, Lucy). The Talmud is pretty discouraging about how much fun our final two centuries are going to be, but the world after Armageddon should be very nice.
2280: the Qur’an gives us 40 more years than the Talmud, according to Dr. Rashad Khalifa and a computer-assisted numerical analysis of the holy text.
3797: this one comes from Nostradamus, but so have quite a few other dates (past and future). Just in case this was the year that he really meant, clear your schedule.
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Oh good news guys! We didn't miss it yet, Camping rescheduled the apocalypse for October.
Also, HAHAHAHA... I love it:
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Apparently, he didn't reschedule it, but it really did happen (http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/24/harold-camping-judgment-day-did-actually-happen-saturday/), it was just a spiritual as opposed to a physical event. The end of the world will still go on as scheduled on October 21st.
Yikes. This guy needs prayer.
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I agree. This is a perfect wake-up call for some folks. While I am saddened that some were falsely misled,I also believe that God used this crazy prediction to His advantage. Image what would have happened if Christ had returned in Feb,before this got all the media attention. How many would have been left behind? Even with this guy being wrong-many probably turned to Christ because they didn't want to be left behind. Even though we don't know when,we should always be ready!
God Bless Y'all!
I respectfully disagree.
Even if some WERE converted because of this (and I doubt there were very many), having the prediction fail would only hurt their new faith.
Plus the "left behind" concept isn't biblical.
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Theory: If I always say the end is tommorow, it will eventually be right. If I live forever.
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Even if you die today, you were right yesterday.
Daniel, I certainly agree. Jesus said to "make Disciples" (Cactus seems to be doing that very well), not make converts through threat of the world ending.
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yeah, it is true that it is somewhat of a wake up call, on a personal level my cuzin (who really isnt walking with God at all... i mean at all) posted on face book that, "this whole end of the world thing got me alittle creaped out, i almost called grandma to ask her about it." so it has gotten people thinking, but the bible also says that weddings and social events will be going on during it, or in other words, its not going to be on a special day, its going to be on just a random day, like... today! ;)
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Poor guy... probably feels quite, how to put it nicely, misled. Imagine the ridicule he might be receiving now :/.
Now... on to 2012...
Carry On,
-C_S
Making a doomsday prediction and spending your entire fortune plus millions of dollars of donations to advertise it kind of makes you fair game for "ridicule".
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Poor guy... probably feels quite, how to put it nicely, misled. Imagine the ridicule he might be receiving now :/.
Now... on to 2012...
Carry On,
-C_S
Making a doomsday prediction and spending your entire fortune plus millions of dollars of donations to advertise it kind of makes you fair game for "ridicule".
hahaha yeah..... it kinda does tho.... lol
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Moral of the story
Don't believe a person who claims they:
(a) have divine power
(b) know the date of the end of the world
(c) have predicted it wrong already
(d) do all of the above against the bible
1 Corinthians 2:4-5 "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power."
Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jeremiah 23:16 "This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD."
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But at this point I think we should give the guy some grace, he is like 90 years old.
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I think this guy could almost be clinically proved as crazy. He may not know right from wrong and almost certainly doesn't know the consequences of his actions.
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I would just like to say that a young couple accepted Christ because of all the Rapture talk. Is it embarrassing? yeah. Did some people get misled and likely hurt by it? Probably. Was it all bad? I don't think so, especially if it got some people (namely lukewarm Christians or those on the fence) to think about their beliefs and make a decision.
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So in the long run, I actually think that more good than bad could come out of this experience.
So, let's assume that millions of people were truly saved. Would you say this experience was "good" overall? That's what it seems like you're indicating to me. I'm probably reading your message incorrectly, but if I'm not that doesn't seem to fall in line with what you've said in the past.
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I think this guy could almost be clinically proved as crazy. He may not know right from wrong and almost certainly doesn't know the consequences of his actions.
The consequences were several million in his account.
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Moral of the story
Don't believe a person who claims they:
(a) have divine power
(b) know the date of the end of the world
(c) have predicted it wrong already
(d) do all of the above against the bible
1 Corinthians 2:4-5 "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirits power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on Gods power."
Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Jeremiah 23:16 "This is what the LORD Almighty says: Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD."
hahaha ya
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Can't find the link right now but the guy is now saying that the 21st was a spiritual judgement day and that it was the day God decided who would be saved or not and that his station is no longer doing broadcasts because he believes everyones fate has been set and nothing they do from now on can change that. So if anyone listens to him they are less likely to bother with chrisitianity since they "can no longer be saved"
However the up side is that you can't darn yourself anymore! Premarital sex, cursing, and taking the lords name in vain for everyone! *this was heavily laced with sarcasm. do not actually do any of these things, i repeat, do not do.*
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I think this guy could almost be clinically proved as crazy. He may not know right from wrong and almost certainly doesn't know the consequences of his actions.
The consequences were several million in his account.
The definition of insane is snot able to tell right from wrong and not able to tell the consequences of his actions, what I'm saying is that HE probably didn't know the consequences.
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true, who knows wheather he was in his right mind or not. :/
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SK is saying that Camping knew exactly what was going on. Think of Camping as Hamlet. He's faking madness for personal gain. Think of the of his followers as Ophelia, they seem <33333 him and are the victims of this.
Now imagine that it is actually a lot more boring, a lot less popular, and has fewer puns.
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ok then... but what did he gain from it??? it sounds like he lost more than he has gained!
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ok then... but what did he gain from it??? it sounds like he lost more than he has gained!
Publicity, Followers, Pride, and if he IS aware he is lying, the satisfaction of knowing how many he fooled.
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Ring Wraith and I decided to be Rosencrantz and Guildenstern beings they rock.
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It just bothers me that (https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkingdomexclusion.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FFamily-Radio-Judgment-Day-May-21-12-e1304536542513.jpg&hash=590a8f8dd813d099e54dfbfbcc9c1c8bbb78d623) "THE BIBLE GUARANTEES IT!" That's totally bogus and I hope people who may have become Christians think the Bible was is still true aside from the false claims about it and that it predicted the apocalypse wrong. :P
What bothers me is not the "THE BIBLE GUARANTEES IT!" part, but that they put it on a gold sticky star.... o_O
I think this guy could almost be clinically proved as crazy. He may not know right from wrong and almost certainly doesn't know the consequences of his actions.
Or senile... :scratch:
Godspeed,
Mike
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ok then... but what did he gain from it??? it sounds like he lost more than he has gained!
Publicity, Followers, Pride, and if he IS aware he is lying, the satisfaction of knowing how many he fooled.
i gues thats true, but still... loosing millions is a big los!
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Millions of other peoples money.
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sFNSL1wLP08/TdvTxDVx9cI/AAAAAAAAAdw/RU4d4U4is8w/s1600/CampingAwkward.jpg
Just copy and paste in URL. Couldn't get the link from my messed up computer.
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sFNSL1wLP08/TdvTxDVx9cI/AAAAAAAAAdw/RU4d4U4is8w/s1600/CampingAwkward.jpg
Just copy and paste in URL. Couldn't get the link from my messed up computer.
I already posted that like 2 pages back. :P
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sFNSL1wLP08/TdvTxDVx9cI/AAAAAAAAAdw/RU4d4U4is8w/s1600/CampingAwkward.jpg
Just copy and paste in URL. Couldn't get the link from my messed up computer.
I already posted that like 2 pages back. :P
Really? Oops. I must have missed that.
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yeah but he also spent millions of his own money on bilboards and all that.
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Ring Wraith and I decided to be Rosencrantz and Guildenstern beings they rock.
...but are dead!
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Ring Wraith and I decided to be Rosencrantz and Guildenstern beings they rock.
...but are dead!
They probably listened to a lot of death metal.
Yeah, I did it.