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I'm actually not positive that's the word I wanted to use, but I don't know the word in Latin, nor do I have a English-Latin dictionary on me, so I had to rely on google translation.

I thought this thread was going to be about FOX news.

I believe that virtuous lying is okay.

Kantian ethics are illogical and non-pragmatic.

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GO RAVENS!!!
GO TITANS!!!!
AND GO SAINTS!!!

Baltimore Ravens
Tennessee Titans
New Orleans Sants
football

Baltimore Ravens
Tennessee Titans
New Orleans Sants
football

Oh.  I'm sorry....i thought we were discussing real football teams....like the broncos and the bears.  Alright I'll give you the saints, but only cause I like Drew Brees.  haha...

Sorry Prof.  I know we are off topic, but when someone brings up football I gotta speak

cause the pats barely beat the bills

you calling my team weak?  oh wait they are  carry on 

St. Louis Rams.

Bringing this back on track, I have something to add:

With putting false information in a form like this, are you really lying to someone, or are you simply lying to the machine that holds the database of user information. It's not like a person specificially asked you in a conversation what your phone number is... I doubt that most forms like that are even READ by anyone.

So my stand is, you are simply putting "incorrect data" into a machine's database. If you were to give false info to a person who is standing right infront of you, then yes I would consider that lying.

Quote from: crustpope on October 15, 2009, 09:06:32 AM

They DONT think you are crazy and find the Jews and then arrest you as well as your family and put you all to death.

I'll trust God to handle it.  He tells me in His Word to be honest.  I'll be honest.  Either God will save us or He won't (just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego told Nebby).  I trust that He has a plan, and I'm going to follow God's commands and trust the outcome to Him.

You are still using the argument that it is ok to do something wrong to stop someone else from doing something wrong.  Do you see that?

I can see where you would THINK that, but what I am saying is that to lie to protect someone else from mortal Danger is not a sin, but a virtue.  So I am not doing something wrong to stop someone else from doing something wrong.

If you saw someone with a Gun and you believed that they were going to use it to Kill someone else, would you try to take the Gun?  wouldnt that be stealing?  yet it would be the right thing to do.  I someone came to my house and intended to kill those I have protected and I KNEW they intended harm to those I had protected and I Lie to them, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE A SIN.  I am not yelling, I am just making sure you understand what I am saying.

Lying to protect others such as those in the Holocost situation, is similar to taking a gun from someone who intends harm.  you are preventing them from Killing others and that is the virtuous act.  To stand by and let it happen when you could have stopped it is the SIN.

And your Rack Shak and benny example does not work because they were dealing with their own life.  They were not protecting other people.  When it is y our life to give away, you can trust God all you want, but when otherrs depend upon you, I believe the standing order is to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

If you saw someone with a Gun and you believed that they were going to use it to Kill someone else, would you try to take the Gun? 

The Professor would not take the gun. He would stick a flower in the barrel. 

That's very well stated Prof.

No matter how you slice it, you are rationalizing a direct command. When it says do not lie, I feel safe saying God did not mean "Don't lie, except to protect someone from harm, or when you don't like your wife's dress, or when you think you are in danger". It says don't lie. That's a pretty clear line.

Just like it doesn't say "Honor the Sabbath, except when your really tired."

Since it's already been agreed that giving information that is clearly false is lying, I figured I'd bring up what the Bible actually specifically says on the topic...


Prov 19:5
5 A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.

Rev 21:8
8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Prov 6:16-19
16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Acts 5:1-11
5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property,
2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife's full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back some of the price of the land?
4 "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God."
5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came upon all who heard of it.
6 And the young men arose and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.
7 Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened.
8 And Peter responded to her, "Tell me whether you sold the land for such and such a price?" And she said, "Yes, that was the price."
9 Then Peter said to her, "Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they shall carry you out as well."
10 And she fell immediately at his feet, and breathed her last; and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
11 And great fear came upon the whole church, and upon all who heard of these things.