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Title: Difference?
Post by: thestrongangel on March 28, 2009, 10:00:37 AM: Is the right thing always the good thing?
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: Lawfuldog on March 28, 2009, 12:31:09 PM: Depends on what your definition of "good" is. Usually the definition of "good" is associated with what is right. So I would say the answer to your question is, yes. I don't believe that anything "right" is ever bad. But that also depends on what you mean by "right".
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: Colin Michael on March 28, 2009, 02:26:29 PM: Are you talking about conflicts between deontological ethics and virtue ethics?

What "good" is depends on how we choose to define it; it's subjective, not a universal.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 28, 2009, 02:52:17 PM: Quote from: ~Elessar Arnatuilë Li Rrulez~ on March 28, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
Is the right thing always the good thing?
Was Robin Hood good in your opinion?

If Yes
Spoiler (hover to show)
You need to redefine good. Even though Robin Hood was helping the poor, he was a robber.

If No
Spoiler (hover to show)
You are right on track. Robbing is wrong regardless of why you are doing it.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: TimMierz on March 28, 2009, 07:29:48 PM: Man, I thought RR was starting a Choose Your Own Adventure thread. I'm slightly disappointed.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 28, 2009, 07:51:32 PM: Quote from: TimMierz on March 28, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
Man, I thought RR was starting a Choose Your Own Adventure thread. I'm slightly disappointed.
I used to love those books.

We could do that. One player could start and then end with something like, "Do you choose to trust the robot and follow it into the tunnel? If yes, read MJB's post below. If no, read TimM<insert-20-or-so-random-letters-here>'s post.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: Colin Michael on March 28, 2009, 08:26:15 PM: Quote from: littlenumberedmusicians on March 28, 2009, 08:18:37 PM
Quote from: ~Elessar Arnatuilë Li Rrulez~ on March 28, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
Is the right thing always the good thing?

good question! i have to say no because think of it this way.

say your a person who is trying to turn everyone to God. ok? well if you keep buging them about it and telling them about God when they dont wanna and ther telling you to stop and your not then what your trying to do is "good" but its not the "right" thing to do. cause then you just turn into a sadducee.

:) get my point?
No.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: VenomFan on March 28, 2009, 09:18:49 PM: Quote from: ~Elessar Arnatuilë Li Rrulez~ on March 28, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
Is the right thing always the good thing?
I would say no. I mean, the Dark Knight is a great example of this- the right thing cost the lives of many people, but in the end saved everyone. :o
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: Arch Angel on March 28, 2009, 10:31:26 PM: Using grammar is a good thing as well.

I would have to say that doing the right thing will always be a good thing, because if it's not good then it's not right.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 29, 2009, 05:05:26 AM: I would hope not. O_o; seriously if someone asks how they look, and you tell them a lie, not only will you be lowering yourself, you will be hurting them (What if they asked cuz they wanted to put on makeup?)
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 29, 2009, 08:10:14 AM: Quote
you could lie to someone
and tell them that they looked good when they really didnt
which would be wrong because you lied
but good because it made them feel good

...until the next person tells them the "truth" and then they feel really bad, and are mad at you for lying.

In this scenario, the real issue is how we define "looks good." By the world's standards, it is difficult for 80% of the world's population to "look good." If we could see people as more than what is on the outside, then Christians would look better and better.

Back to the original topic, the world's standard for "good" and "right" are skewed, so any answer will fall short. If we could see the world through God's eyes, there would be no question.
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 29, 2009, 08:31:13 AM: Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 29, 2009, 08:10:14 AM

Quote
you could lie to someone
and tell them that they looked good when they really didnt
which would be wrong because you lied
but good because it made them feel good

...until the next person tells them the "truth" and then they feel really bad, and are mad at you for lying.

In this scenario, the real issue is how we define "looks good." By the world's standards, it is difficult for 80% of the world's population to "look good." If we could see people as more than what is on the outside, then Christians would look better and better.

Back to the original topic, the world's standard for "good" and "right" are skewed, so any answer will fall short. If we could see the world through God's eyes, there would be no question.
Sadly they haven't made a GodCrafters yet ;)
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: golgotha on March 29, 2009, 09:16:36 AM: to kinda restate something thats already been said, all Superheroes do good. SAve peoples lives, defeat the bad guys, etc, there is no doubt about that.However in doing good, the break the law by first not letting the cops do their job and taking things into their own hands, and secondly not obeying the laws of the land. If Superman saves a little old lady from being shot, he's a hero. In real life, If I showed up in spandex and underwear and claimed I had superpowers, to save someone from being shot, I'd prolly be halled off to a luney bin, granted I didn't get shot myself.
Now that I'm done with that sidebar, I think whats good is determined not by society, but by a personal basis. I think Wrestling is good, where as some of you prolly don't agree with that. A triple layer chocolate cake is good for me, but not my friend who has diabetis. Is there anything inherently evil bout Wrestling or cake? No, its just a personal choice on what I enjoy or view as good. However, I think whats right is determined by God and His commandments. Like the big 10. We don't get to choose what is right, God does. And as long as what we think is good doesn't break any of His laws, we should be able to choose that for ourselves. Know what I'm saying?
Title: Re: Difference?
Post by: Prof Underwood on March 29, 2009, 09:49:13 AM: Quote from: TimMierz on March 28, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
Man, I thought RR was starting a Choose Your Own Adventure thread. I'm slightly disappointed.
#1 I also think a CYOA thread could be a lot of fun.

#2 I think that a CYOA movie would be an AWESOME idea at this point. It could be either straight to DVD where people could decide which track to follow using their remote, or could even work in a theater where the people at the showing would vote at each juncture. That way, each time you saw the movie, it could be different!