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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on January 30, 2009, 09:46:18 AMPtolemy was wrong.He may have been wrong about predicting the number of meteors hitting the Earth, but he wasn't wrong that the sun revolves around the Earth.
Ptolemy was wrong.
And since the Bible doesn't say anything about meteors hitting the Earth, that part of Ptolemy's thinking is irrelevant to this discussion.
Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 30, 2009, 11:23:53 AMQuote from: EmJayBee83 on January 30, 2009, 09:46:18 AMPtolemy was wrong.He may have been wrong about predicting the number of meteors hitting the Earth, but he wasn't wrong that the sun revolves around the Earth.The one is a mathematical consequence of the other. If Ptolemy's theory of celestial mechanics were correct, the rate of meteor fall would be constant. The fact that it is not constant disproves Ptolemy's theory, in a scientific sense.QuoteAnd since the Bible doesn't say anything about meteors hitting the Earth, that part of Ptolemy's thinking is irrelevant to this discussion.So, just to be clear, your argument is that the Bible does say that the Earth is the fixed center of the universe with the Sun revolving around it. And in at least some of those places Scripture is making a specific statement of scientific fact. Can you point out those passages that you feel argue the strongest for your geo-stationary theory?
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 02:06:13 PMSo you're going to call into question the validity of the original Hebrew to defend the English? That's pretty elitist. God must love the English and hate the Ethiopian orthodox, Catholic, and every Bible in any other language besides English because they have different books and/or translations.On the contrary, I believe that God has protected the accuracy of His Word as it has been translated into their languages as well.
So you're going to call into question the validity of the original Hebrew to defend the English? That's pretty elitist. God must love the English and hate the Ethiopian orthodox, Catholic, and every Bible in any other language besides English because they have different books and/or translations.
But God's is not a perspective, it is the truth. All perspectives are based off that truth in varying degrees.
The one is a mathematical consequence of the other. If Ptolemy's theory of celestial mechanics were correct, the rate of meteor fall would be constant. The fact that it is not constant disproves Ptolemy's theory, in a scientific sense.
So, just to be clear, your argument is that the Bible does say that the Earth is the fixed center of the universe with the Sun revolving around it. And in at least some of those places Scripture is making a specific statement of scientific fact. Can you point out those passages that you feel argue the strongest for your geo-stationary theory?
QuoteBut God's is not a perspective, it is the truth. All perspectives are based off that truth in varying degrees.QuoteThen morality and religion are are not subject to perspectives. There is a true religion and a true morality. Your person view of those things may be subject to your biases and perspectives, but that doesn't mean that morality as a whole is subject to them.Please prove your logos, as I said, belief is irrelevant.
Then morality and religion are are not subject to perspectives. There is a true religion and a true morality. Your person view of those things may be subject to your biases and perspectives, but that doesn't mean that morality as a whole is subject to them.
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 02:06:13 PMQuoteBut God's is not a perspective, it is the truth. All perspectives are based off that truth in varying degrees.QuoteThen morality and religion are are not subject to perspectives. There is a true religion and a true morality. Your person view of those things may be subject to your biases and perspectives, but that doesn't mean that morality as a whole is subject to them.Please prove your logos, as I said, belief is irrelevant.I don't have to prove any logos, I quoted you. You said that God's "perspective" was the truth. I agreed with you. Nothing to prove.
I was more asking for any kind of defense of the Bible being, not only infallible, but incorruptible.
Quote from: Colin Michael on January 30, 2009, 05:20:51 PMI was more asking for any kind of defense of the Bible being, not only infallible, but incorruptible.I've told you this before. My belief that the Bible has not been corrupted is based on the character of the Author.God gave the Bible to people so that they could get to know him. God is powerful enough and smart enough to figure out a way to keep the Bible accurate despite the natural tendency of copying and translating to mess things up. And He loves us enough and wants us to be able to know Him enough to do what was necessary.
Quote from: EmJayBee83 on January 30, 2009, 04:17:54 PMThe one is a mathematical consequence of the other. If Ptolemy's theory of celestial mechanics were correct, the rate of meteor fall would be constant. The fact that it is not constant disproves Ptolemy's theory, in a scientific sense.I would have to look into this more to be able to speak with authority on the subject. However, my gut says that this is wrong. It doesn't even make sense that the Earth is hit by more meteors in the morning. Morning here in America is evening on the other side of the world.
I am not necessarily arguing that the Bible says that the Sun revolves around the Earth. I am saying that people interpreted it that way for hundreds of years, and that scientifically there is support for that perspective.
Then why did it take God 1800 years after the writing of the Bible for us to figure this out?
It's pretty easy to see if you draw the diagram. The only real trick is noting that the direction of Earth's rotation is parallel to the Earth's orbit about the Sun. You'll see that as you move from midnight to dawn your forward velocity is greater than average slamming you into more space "gunk". Just like running forward in a rain storm makes your front wetter than your back.
Since people, including the human authors of Scripture, believed that the Earth was flat and interpreted Scripture to say the same, do you also hold to that theory as well?
