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I think PBS is only for Minnesota. (I think) It's Called something else in other places.
Quote from: Lozo777 on November 19, 2008, 04:05:49 PMI think PBS is only for Minnesota. (I think) It's Called something else in other places.Its PBS here in NV
I had to laugh at the 'scholars' who didn't back up their statements about J and E.
...this scholarship poses absolutely NO PROBLEMS for orthodox Christian belief...This scholarship simply attempts to treat things like the presence of disjointed accounts which stop and start abruptly, Aramaic words in texts supposedly written 1000+ years before Aramaic, and a bizarre preoccupation with landmarks that would have only been important after the fall of the southern kingdom more seriously...
and parts cannot (ie. the flood covered the whole world, Adam was a real person, the world was created in 6 days, etc.)
...I still believe there was a Moses, Solomon, David, and that the things they did were just about what the Bible says they did...not one of us believes in Mosaic authorship of the Torah but our biblical beliefs are probobly similar to yours)...
I'm curious. Do seminaries even teach anything from Proverbs? Or do they believe that Solomon wasn't real so there is no need to?
The church's exegetical issues are frequently obscured by a question of need. For most people, even today, the verdict of Church vs. Galileo is unimportant. For the vast majority of people, it poses no obstacle to believe that Moses wrote the Torah, so if it becomes a stumbling block to your faith, don't worry about it. For Serious OT scholars, this stuff is what enables them to chart the dates in your study bibles, line the stories up with archeology, and get a clearer picture of how the story relates to the activity of God's people in the world. I'm not neo-orthodox or tensive enough to believe that the bible and Christian doctrine must be accepted completely blind, with no attempt to support it's claims or show it's truth through other mediums. Some people, perhaps like Underwood, could continue to be Christians if the body of Christ was found moldering away in a tomb in Jerusalem. I can't, because my faith is based on truth, not a "leap of faith," so I continue to find the scholarship valuable (FYI, the first time I heard about this theory was from an Orthodox Rabbi in college, not at Seminary). -Ross
The problem is that this is a very unstable foundation for the authority of scripture. And given enough time and secular input, too many of these Christian scholars get sucked into false teachings.
Again, I don't think opinion is enough to say this, but only when something is clearly an exaduration (the 1.8mil killed) or clearly a perspectival view (Sun standing still). Otherwise, it should be considered at face value if at all possible.
You see it is a short trip from where you are already, to being at a place where even the fundamental truths about Christianity become suspect, and subject to the knowledge of man.
If the Holy Spirit is not at work, being able to recite the entire text in the original Greek and Hebrew is worthless.
I'm determined to take the bible at it's word: if it claims something as a miracle...My thought is...
...because of the Galileo incident, and the witness of the Church fathers and reformation theologians, I simply cannot hold that the bible is without error in its literal reading. It's not a matter of what I think; it's a matter of what is testable as a fact...
I still believe that God's miraculous power can overturn natural order, but if the passage at hand indicates the biases or limited perspective of a person living on earth 3,000 years go, then it is right to gloss its literal meaning for something else.
As an aside, what do you think of the book The Case for Christ, or of apologetics in general. Do you think that people should try and confirm with logic and science the things of scripture, or that this is an affront tothe trust we're supposed to have in scripture?