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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Felix on May 19, 2009, 09:36:38 PM
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How old do you think Daniel the prophet was? When he was thrown in the lions' den, he was only fifteen or sixteen! :o Amazing huh?
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I would love to see your scripture to back that up. I always thought of him in his early 20s by that time. he MIGHT have been a teen when he was interpreting Neb's dreams...
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Think about it. Babylon went through lots of kings for many years, but Daniel was there with them all. Look at when he was captured by Babylonians and then look at when the Israelites got their land back. That was a LONG time. If he was old when he was in the lions den, he wouldn't have survived until the Israelites went to the remains of Jerusalem. ;)
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Noah was to over 900 years. Nuff' said. ;D
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Yeah, how do you know how old Danny was? He could have lived to be 200 for all we know.
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In the Bible, Daniel was part of the "young men", which back then were trained to become wise men. It was basically school.
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He was at least in his 60s, probably. He had lived through all of Nebuchadnezzar, (insert unnamed king here), and Belshazzar (who was only a regent) and was tossed in during Persian Rule. He was old.
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Are you saying he died old? It was a tad unclear...
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Nobody could live to be 200 in that time.
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Expand on the relevance while I say anything is possible with God.
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When Daniel was initially taken captive by the Babylonians he was probably in his early teens. Young enough to not yet be a military threat but also old enough to demonstrate worth to the Babylonians. By the time he was thrown into the Lions Den I would guess him to be in his 60's. He does die an old man but not 200 yrs old. I know that God can do anything but God makes it pretty clear that after the flood mankind would not have that same extended length in life any more.
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Remember when that one king (I don't know his name) issued that law that said you only can worship the king? Daniel was a teen at that time. Some time after that Daniel was discovered praying to God. He was a teen when he was in the lions' den.
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I would be interested to know which of these statements are based on evidence and which are...not so much. :-\
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They can be proven. My pastor was speechless when he heard too.
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Remember when that one king (I don't know his name) issued that law that said you only can worship the king? Daniel was a teen at that time. Some time after that Daniel was discovered praying to God. He was a teen when he was in the lions' den.
They can be proven. My pastor was speechless when he heard too.
Just because your pastor was speechless doesn't mean your viewpoint is true.
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They can be proven. My pastor was speechless when he heard too.
What do you mean, "too?" I don't see any speechless posts here. ;)
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I didn't want to do this, but now I am forced to. In the book of Daniel, Daniel was selected for special training as a wise man. In the book of Daniel, he was "among the young men", saying he was pretty young. The Bible is accurate, so young man must have been from either 10 to 14 or so. If he really was an old man when he was thrown in the den, he wouldn't have survived when that Persian dude took over.
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I didn't want to do this, but now I am forced to. In the book of Daniel, Daniel was selected for special training as a wise man. In the book of Daniel, he was "among the young men", saying he was pretty young. The Bible is accurate, so young man must have been from either 10 to 14 or so. If he really was an old man when he was thrown in the den, he wouldn't have survived when that Persian dude took over.
That isn't proof.
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Think it through really carefully and check the other posts on here. If that's not enough pm me.
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Think it through really carefully and check the other posts on here. If that's not enough pm me.
PM Sent. :P
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Think it through really carefully and check the other posts on here. If that's not enough pm me.
PM Sent. :P
PM received. ;)
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Unlike most people here, I embarass people who are wrong. If your pastor was educated in a seminary, that seminary needs to be shut down.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%201&version=31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%201&version=31)
Daniel 1 establishes he was a young man, taken 3rd year of King Jehoiakim, which is 606 BC, according the wiki dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Dynasty#Neo-Babylonian_dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Dynasty#Neo-Babylonian_dynasty)
This link has dates of Babylonian (chaldean) kings. Notice that there is no "Belshazzar" who is mentioned as the last king in Daniel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar#Contemporary_Babylonian_sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar#Contemporary_Babylonian_sources)
This link explains his significance, as well as the reason Bel only promised Daniel 1/3 of the kingdom for his dream interpretation. Since Bel really only had 1/2, that was his best offer.
Now, next event is the Fall of Babylon in Daniel 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=34&chapter=5&version=31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=34&chapter=5&version=31)
This occured in 539 BC. That makes Daniel (606(teen years)-539) around 80.
Finally, in Daniel 8/9 it is established that Darius is ruling (Darius the Mede is a local official). This is when Daniel is thrown in. Therefore, he is at least 80, probably older.
Moral of story: Gandalf the White. Fail.
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Unlike most people here, I embarass people who are wrong. If your pastor was educated in a seminary, that seminary needs to be shut down.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%201&version=31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%201&version=31)
Daniel 1 establishes he was a young man, taken 3rd year of King Jehoiakim, which is 606 BC, according the wiki dates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Dynasty#Neo-Babylonian_dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Dynasty#Neo-Babylonian_dynasty)
This link has dates of Babylonian (chaldean) kings. Notice that there is no "Belshazzar" who is mentioned as the last king in Daniel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar#Contemporary_Babylonian_sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belshazzar#Contemporary_Babylonian_sources)
This link explains his significance, as well as the reason Bel only promised Daniel 1/3 of the kingdom for his dream interpretation. Since Bel really only had 1/2, that was his best offer.
Now, next event is the Fall of Babylon in Daniel 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=34&chapter=5&version=31 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=34&chapter=5&version=31)
This occured in 539 BC. That makes Daniel (606(teen years)-539) around 80.
Finally, in Daniel 8/9 it is established that Darius is ruling (Darius the Mede is a local official). This is when Daniel is thrown in. Therefore, he is at least 80, probably older.
Moral of story: Gandalf the White. Fail.
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PG please RRulez.
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PG please RRulez.
What?? Pale-Green?
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I have the best evidence yet. A pastor on TV named David Jeremiah did research on Daniel and found that out. Can you out-do that? ;)
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I have the best evidence yet. A pastor on TV named David Jeremiah did research on Daniel and found that out. Can you out-do that? ;)
You're joking, right? :P
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Um, no, because none of us have seen any of this research. That's like saying "I dare you to one-up my imaginary friend in a staring contest."
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I have the best evidence yet. A pastor on TV named David Jeremiah did research on Daniel and found that out. Can you out-do that? ;)
You're joking, right? :P
Look on his website at Turning Point (ftp://Turning Point)Maybe it will mention something about it. If you check and find no evidence, I will find more info.
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I have the best evidence yet. A pastor on TV named David Jeremiah did research on Daniel and found that out. Can you out-do that? ;)
You're joking, right? :P
Look on his website at Turning Point (ftp://Turning Point)Maybe it will mention something about it. If you check and find no evidence, I will find more info.
Umm, bad link.
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We're not gonna do your research for you. Post your arguments, we're not gonna find them for you. ;)
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We're not gonna do your research for you. Post your arguments, we're not gonna find them for you. ;)
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Please post a full theory about this.
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That's not what Jesus told Thomas... ::)
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You obviously won't take my word for it, so I'm trying a different strategy. After all, seeing is believing.
We aren't taking your word for it because all you're saying is:
Think about it: He could have been a teen in the Lion's den! Think about it! My pastor was speechless! Believe me!
Not trying to be mean, but you're going to have to do better than that.
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I'd like to humbly apologize. This has turned ugly, and I never meant it to. I'm sorry for the link being bad. I honestly don't know how to post a link. I was just trying to tell where the info came from. My mom is the one who told me, but I got it mixed up. She said he was fifteen or sixteen when he requested to deny eating the king's food. She heard it on a Bible radio program called "Turning Point" hosted by Dr. David Jeremiah, a Baptist Bible preacher. I think he was older when he got thrown in the lions' den. My apologies! Sincerely Gandalf the Ding-Dong. :-[ :-[
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I'd like to humbly apologize. This has turned ugly, and I never meant it to. I'm sorry for the link being bad. I honestly don't know how to post a link. I was just trying to tell where the info came from. My mom is the one who told me, but I got it mixed up. She said he was fifteen or sixteen when he requested to deny eating the king's food. She heard it on a Bible radio program called "Turning Point" hosted by Dr. David Jeremiah, a Baptist Bible preacher. I think he was older when he got thrown in the lions' den. My apologies! Sincerely Gandalf the Ding-Dong. :-[ :-[
You don't need to apologize, only present stable evidence of your theory.
PS. to post a link, put the website name in between the [url] brackets. Example:[url]www.website.com/index.html[/url]
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You are young, and some of these "young men" should have been more patient with you. It's an honest mistake, if you see my post I totally neglected that Daniel lived through multiple kings before Darius. Just be careful next time when you state an "absolute" unless you have biblical or historical reference to back in up. Interesting discussion though :P!
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You are young, and some of these "young men" should have been more patient with you.
I'm sorry. If I was being rude I wasn't trying to. Sorry. :)
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Thanks for showing me how to post a link, Rrulez. After all, I am a country bumpkin (and a Ding-Dong!) :D
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Should I lock this topic, or should I throw it away?
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Should I lock this topic, or should I throw it away?
Why do you want to do either?
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What would you do? (I don't mean it snotty, either)
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What would you do? (I don't mean it snotty, either)
Leave it.
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I got it.