Author Topic: Cussing #$%&! (Read 17787 times)

New Raven BR · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2009, 09:56:03 AM »

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this thread is provocative

Ironica · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2009, 10:31:33 AM »

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 03, 2009, 09:20:02 AM

I agree with Pol and Colin (I think I can't tell what he's saying really) thatit is of no matter and that they didn't fully understand language and that yes the prophets cursed more than Eminem...thank you for my new signature

How sad that a false generization can be accepted so quickly.

Psalm 34:12-14 (New Living Translation)

12 Does anyone want to live a life
that is long and prosperous?
13 Then keep your tongue from speaking evil
and your lips from telling lies!
14 Turn away from evil and do good.
Search for peace, and work to maintain it.
Psalm 59:12 (New Living Translation)

12 Because of the sinful things they say,
because of the evil that is on their lips,
let them be captured by their pride,
their curses, and their lies.
James 3:9-10 (New Living Translation)
9 Sometimes it praises our Lord and Father, and sometimes it curses those who have been made in the image of God. 10 And so blessing and cursing come pouring out of the same mouth. Surely, my brothers and sisters, this is not right!

redemptioncousin · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2009, 10:42:25 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 03, 2009, 05:42:34 AM

There is a trove of scientific archeological evidence that strongly points to an old earth. There are also even stronger anthropological evidences that point to an earth ~8000 years old (such as tracing genomes and language patterns). These sets of evidences are seemingly irreconcilable with the Genesis account of creation. How can the earth be millions of years old, but humanity be thousands of years old if it came to be six days after the creation of the earth?

The answer is that time is not a constant, and that the universe is expanding. If I were to send a radio signal from the centre of the universe at creation, and then send a second one a second later, they would reach a given point on the outer expansion far more than a second apart. Therefore, a logical explaination that allows for both a literal interpretation of Genesis and acceptance of scientific discoveries is that the days in at least some of the creation account are measured from that central point. There, only days would have passed. Elsewhere in the universe, time does not follow the same path. It is faster, because the universe is expanding.

You obviously have never taken physics... certainly the radio waves would be slightly more than a second apart when they reached the edge of the universe but no more than very slightly. In addition, how can you say that there are "days" when talking about the center of the universe. Our current concept of days (and even time, in general) is based totally on our solar system and the way the Earth reacts with it.

This leads me to believe that God inspired Moses to write about creation in a way that would make sense to us simple minded humans (in comparison to our almighty God). He made Moses explain creation in a way that showed creation took time. Since God's "time" is totally different than ours he used a term that was both familiar and simple; a "day".

Moses could've just said that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in it and then he was done, but instead he insisted upon the fact that God's creation took time to be created. This, and all the scientific data collected over the years, leads me to believe that we are living in an "Old Earth".

To be relevant to the actual subject of this topic, I would agree fully with what Prof Underwood said.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2009, 10:51:02 AM »

I think that it's more important for a Christian, or for anyone, to have a positive attitude. If one has a positive attitude and uses swear words on occasion, I can't see anything that would hinder one from eudaimonia.

drb1200 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:23:03 AM »

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 03, 2009, 09:45:48 AM

....also english curse words wyn

Caleb, Caleb, Caleb

crustpope · « **Reply #30 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:25:35 AM »

I think this whole discussion is missing something. Cussing is much more about the heart and the intent of the use of the words than the actual word themselves. When people curse in anger/fear/shock/Surprise or to "look cool" or simply to offend with no further purpose than to shock, those are sins. I believe them to be sins because they have no place in a holy life. God has called us to a life of holiness and purity and to live above the common culture of our day.

True, curse words are different from culture to culture, but you know what is appropriate or inappropriate for your culture so you know what you will be offensive to those around you and what you should be convicted of if you curse in their presence and possibly offend them.

Cursing by your self if only different in that you may not have offended someone else, but you still have to deal with the heart issue that caused you to speak in that manner. Is it Rage/anger? Pride? what was the motivation for that is the true root of the sin.

Curse words used with a valid purpose or intent I believe are not a sin because the motivation behind them was to eduate or instruct. Tony Campolo has spoken several times on social issues such as world hunger and one of his lines that he uses in his speeches is this:

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"I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a $h1t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said $h1t than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night."

I think using harsh or offensive language in this instance and similar instances where the purpose is to educat or iinstruct is appropriate use of the language. but that is just MHO

Paladin · « **Reply #31 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:43:07 AM »

I just don't cuss. It's not really a polite thing to do and it offends people. WWJD. He wouldn't offend anyone.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #32 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:51:51 AM »

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I will state my opinion, which is that cussing is not a sin, but is more of a cultural/lingual isuue. Although less so in the future, the use of swear words used to be frowned upon as something used by lower-class people. Nowadays, cussing has sort of been adopted as a christian issue, so that a lot of people think it is a sin, when really the Bible says very little about it. Because of this I believe Christians should avoid swearing because it gives bad impressions. However, when you're alone in a garage or whatever, I don't think God will care if you let out a few harmless swear words.

Korunks · « **Reply #33 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:53:06 AM »

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WWJD. He wouldn't offend anyone.

Actually Jesus offended a lot of people, especially the pharisee's and sadducee's. I think if something causes fellow Christians to stumble we should avoid it at all cost's as Paul said. I believe cussing is something we should strive not to do, I have dealt with this issue in my life so many times, I grew up cussing a lot, and it has been a real struggle to get it under control, but I have felt conviction from God to do so. Just my

soul seeker · « **Reply #34 on:** September 03, 2009, 12:11:23 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on September 03, 2009, 10:51:02 AM

I think that it's more important for a Christian, or for anyone, to have a positive attitude. If one has a positive attitude and uses swear words on occasion, I can't see anything that would hinder one from eudaimonia.

So you're calling Mike "the Mouth" Matteso a Christian because he thinks positive and can speak however he wants?

I know you have loose interpretations of the Bible, but I'm pretty sure positive thinking will NOT get you into heaven.

Just FYI for everyone, cussing is a curse word.

That's what my teachers all used to say.
Other than that, I think my reputation would give you guys a good idea about how I feel about this subject.

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #35 on:** September 03, 2009, 12:55:19 PM »

Quote from: drb1200 on September 03, 2009, 11:23:03 AM

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 03, 2009, 09:45:48 AM
....also english curse words wyn
Caleb, Caleb, Caleb

you called?

The intent of what your saying is what really matters... if your are saying something with pure hatred then yes it is wrong if you are using it in shock or anger (ie slamming your finger in the door) is it really wrong?

The Guardian · « **Reply #36 on:** September 03, 2009, 02:01:43 PM »

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So you're calling Mike "the Mouth" Matteso a Christian because he thinks positive and can speak however he wants?

It's Matusow.

Sean · « **Reply #37 on:** September 03, 2009, 02:27:20 PM »

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It's not really a polite thing to do and it offends people. WWJD. He wouldn't offend anyone.

Jesus offended many people actually. However, I do agree with your main point even though it uses an overused cliche. Jesus did not use profanity. Our goal as Christians is sanctification, the journey of becoming like Christ. Our goal is to be able to present everyone complete, mature, or perfect in Christ. (Col 1:28) Before we do that in others we must first do it within ourselves. I do not see how cussing is moving us further down the process of sanctification. I do not see how cussing makes us more like Christ.

I feel as though that Col 3:8 is being taken simply on its own without looking at the entirety of what Paul is saying. In verses 5-9 Paul is describing the actions of a non regenerate(old) person. Verse ten, he begins his transition to what a regenerate(new) person looks like with his image of taking off the old and putting on the new, and in verses 12-17 he describes the regenerate(new) person. It seems very clear to me that through this discourse Paul has clearly defined cursing or coarse language, among other things, as something a non regenerate person participates in. If then, as Col 1:28 says, we are ever striving towards becoming complete in Christ as regenerate people, cussing should not be on our lips.

Egg Timer · « **Reply #38 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:35:13 PM »

Quote from: Paladin on September 03, 2009, 11:43:07 AM

I just don't cuss. It's not really a polite thing to do and it offends people. WWJD. He wouldn't offend anyone.

Well said. I hate it when people outright swear in public. Once I heard a guy just about yell the F word, and infront of children also.

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #39 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:42:35 PM »

I'm not going to argue, just going to state my opinion on the matter.

I see cussing as okay if used appropriately and civily, and not just out of anger from the heart.

I have never, and will never cuss around the fairer sex. I have far too much respect for girls and they deserve to be treated with the upmost respect. It's sort of my "thing" that I'm known for at school. The majority of my friends are girls, I always pull their chair out for them, let them get food or anything first, and pretty much anything of the sort that relates to being a gentleman. It's not even how I was raised, it's my choice.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #40 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:46:55 PM »

Quote from: Lawfuldog on September 03, 2009, 04:42:35 PM

I see cussing as okay if used appropriately and civily, ...

I have not read anything but the last few posts, but I find this statement to be completely contradictory. If you want to speak civily and appropriately, then don't cuss.

Just my

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #41 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:49:41 PM »

You're assuming that our definiteions of civil and appropriate are the same.

I'm using the terms in the sense that if someone were to say, have their foot ran over by a car accidently and they were to let a (instert curse here) slip out, I see that as alright. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Sometimes in the heat of the moments we act without thinking, which can lead to possibly anything.

Sean · « **Reply #42 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:15:06 PM »

Bob is married to Sue. In the heat of the moment Bob hits Sue. Is that ok?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #43 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:23:22 PM »

Quote from: Lawfuldog on September 03, 2009, 04:49:41 PM

I'm using the terms in the sense that if someone were to say, have their foot ran over by a car accidently and they were to let a (instert curse here) slip out, I see that as alright.

Cussing is a matter of conditioning. If my foot got run over by a car, I would say "Ouch." I may slip and say "I'm gonna sue you for every penny you're worth," but I would never cuss.

Now, realize that I say this after years of practice. I used to cuss horribly. But, I chose to leave that behind and I have not cussed now in over 15 years. However, my unsaved brother likes to pop in his wedding video when I visit, because he has a permanent record of me drunk and cussing like an idiot. I wasn't saved at the time, but my brother still uses it against me whenever I try to witness. The first time he showed me the video after I was saved was enough incentive for me to say "Never again."

Colin Michael · « **Reply #44 on:** September 03, 2009, 07:37:24 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on September 03, 2009, 04:46:55 PM

Quote from: Lawfuldog on September 03, 2009, 04:42:35 PM
I see cussing as okay if used appropriately and civily, ...

I have not read anything but the last few posts, but I find this statement to be completely contradictory. If you want to speak civily and appropriately, then don't cuss.

Just my

I think you're forgetting the element of social linguistic context here.

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #45 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:20:48 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on September 03, 2009, 05:23:22 PM

Quote from: Lawfuldog on September 03, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
I'm using the terms in the sense that if someone were to say, have their foot ran over by a car accidently and they were to let a (instert curse here) slip out, I see that as alright.

Cussing is a matter of conditioning. If my foot got run over by a car, I would say "Ouch." I may slip and say "I'm gonna sue you for every penny you're worth," but I would never cuss.

Now, realize that I say this after years of practice. I used to cuss horribly. But, I chose to leave that behind and I have not cussed now in over 15 years. However, my unsaved brother likes to pop in his wedding video when I visit, because he has a permanent record of me drunk and cussing like an idiot. I wasn't saved at the time, but my brother still uses it against me whenever I try to witness. The first time he showed me the video after I was saved was enough incentive for me to say "Never again."

Well then there you go. You're speaking from a bias that you've set due to your past. I do not curse often, but due to the outward influence of modern culture, everyone has heard cursing, and some get to the point where they curse without knowing.

Also keep in mind the age difference between myself and you, of course our views are going to be different. You grew up in a different time where cursing was not as heavily focused in society and was viewed differently. Now-a-days, every PG-13 movie curses quite a bit to make those who watch it wonder what they were thinking when they didn't make it R.

Sean · « **Reply #46 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:36:44 PM »

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Also keep in mind the age difference between myself and you, of course our views are going to be different. You grew up in a different time where cursing was not as heavily focused in society and was viewed differently. Now-a-days, every PG-13 movie curses quite a bit to make those who watch it wonder what they were thinking when they didn't make it R.

This is what I hear you saying: Its ok because more and more people are doing it.

The fact that movies which are today rated PG-13 were once rated R is evidence of the degradation of our American culture. Your standard for what is right should not be whether or not the culture finds it acceptable, your standard should be what Scripture says is acceptable.

Lawfuldog · « **Reply #47 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:46:07 PM »

Quote from: Sean on September 03, 2009, 08:36:44 PM

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Also keep in mind the age difference between myself and you, of course our views are going to be different. You grew up in a different time where cursing was not as heavily focused in society and was viewed differently. Now-a-days, every PG-13 movie curses quite a bit to make those who watch it wonder what they were thinking when they didn't make it R.
This is what I hear you saying: Its ok because more and more people are doing it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. But you are putting words into my mouth, I myself only ever curse if I see it necessary to get across point or if I've just experienced a vast amount of pain and it slips out. But others curse because other do it, it has ALWAYS been that way. Why would anyone curse if they have never heard another do such? Most wouldn't even know what cursing is, had they of not heard someone else curse.

Another reason why I never post my opinion on these boards. You (in the general sense) are stuck in your little Christian world and can't argue reasonably without allowing your bias to show. Don't get me wrong, everyone is bias, but it should not be the basis of your argument. If you were arguing with an Atheist about this same topic and were to say "God says to guard your heart, to speak no evil". Well, do you really think an Atheist is going to care what our God says? No, which is why I wish that we could argue in a formal manner without letting the basis for a casual argument be "Well I believe...".

Colin Michael · « **Reply #48 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:50:11 PM »

Quote from: Sean on September 03, 2009, 08:36:44 PM

your standard should be what Scripture says is acceptable.

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When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her
Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #49 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:55:04 PM »

Lol...warn Colin's Girlfriends

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Author Topic: Cussing #$%&! (Read 17787 times)

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