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Colin bores me.

If you were arguing with an Atheist about this same topic and were to say "God says to guard your heart, to speak no evil". Well, do you really think an Atheist is going to care what our God says? No, which is why I wish that we could argue in a formal manner without letting the basis for a casual argument be "Well I believe...".

When I was teaching in the Virginia Beach Public Schools, I had a student who was swearing in class. I reported him and we eventually had a parent conference. The student's mother was an atheist who told us that she encourages swearing in her home, so she felt we had no right to stop him in school. My principal, who was an atheist homosexual, told the mother that the school's Code of Conduct specifically states that swearing is not allowed in school.

If your argument is that swearing is becoming more socially acceptable, then the Virginia Beach City Public Schools disagree with you, and I guarantee that they are not religiously motivated.

Now YMT's argument is completely off subject that was a matter of bucking authority set by the board of counsel's conscience....it is irrelevant in my opinion to this argument.

Show me a kid under four who hasn't heard the H word or the D
 word its inevitable they will hear it because society as a majorit accepts it now

How is that biased?

I said in my opinion because I don't have any credibility to force it so yeah its bias...but I wasn't trying to put up a debate against it I was merely stating my opinion...Sean seemed to be debating...correct me if I'm wrong

Caleb your amking an epic fail of an argument. Please quit repsonding as you are making people who have no problem with cussing look ridiculous. Your bias is having the bias that everyone else has a bias. You are presdisposed to think YMT has a bias, and thus are bias, and therefore you are no more legitimate to answer any questions than YMT.

As for your point, "God says" is not a terrible thing to use in the context of a debate with Christians if Scripture follows the use of "God says". It is, however, a terrible idea to claim that invoking God's mandate among Christians is bad argument. It is great argument within context. Obviously invoking biblical mandate among athiests is bad, but are we athiests?

As foir the main point, I personally have no problems with Christian cussers so to speak. I personally attempt not to use the words (and I would be a fool if I said I succeed), but I don't find a biblical mandate. In my opinion, the passages used to support a no cuss position have much more to do with things such as That's what she said jokes and other jokes of a sexual manner.

Quote from: Lawfuldog on September 03, 2009, 09:15:41 PM

YMT: That is a school system. I go to a Private Christian academy, and cursing is obviously not accepted in the least sense. By socially accepted I meant in the average "day out at the mall" setting. Everytime I walk around my mall, I hear random people cursing as if it's nothing. I can't stand it, it's not used appropriately.

Also, if you walk down the beach in Virginia Beach, you will see signs posted that have the title of this thread with a big red circle and slash through the middle. The city decided that swearing was inappropriate in a public setting and that it was a deterrent to tourism. Why would they decide that if swearing was viewed as okay by the public?

Clearly even the general public views swearing as inappropriate...

Because swearing is not okay to the general public.

I find it funny how you think just because of a sign that says no cursing, that people aren't going to curse.

Stealing is against the law, yet it still happens.
Murder is against the law, yet it still happens.
You get my point.

Just because you stick a little red line through something and say it's bad doesn't mean people aren't going to do it anymore. In fact, to teenagers that is all the more reason to do it. Saying that the general public views swearing as inappropriate because of a sign and view of a certain state is illogical. It would be like me saying murder is not okay to the general public, which is FAR more serious than cursing (law enforcement wise, not as a sin), yet it still happens and will continue to happen everyday.

Swearing increases your level of pain tolerance.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20090902/New-research-reveals-that-swearing-can-increase-pain-tolerance.aspx

Only superficially related to the topic, but an interesting factoid.

Swearing increases your level of pain tolerance.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20090902/New-research-reveals-that-swearing-can-increase-pain-tolerance.aspx

Only superficially related to the topic, but an interesting factoid.

Are you telling me if I constantly repeat X during my running for soccer tommorow, my pulled back muscle won't hurt as much? That's amazing.

I'm saying that it is generally accepted by today's society that cursing is okay.

Maybe that's because more people are hurting today and they need to increase their pain threshold.

Are you telling me if I constantly repeat X during my running for soccer tommorow, my pulled back muscle won't hurt as much? That's amazing.

That would appear to be the claim made in the study.

I'm saying it's alright when used appropriately

You said it would be ok in "the heat of the moment".  I gave you another "heat of the moment" situation.  If the situation I put forth is not ok, then neither is any other "heat of the moment" situation.  You're basing your argument on what the world around us says.  I'm basing mine on what God says in Scripture.  Tell me which of us stands on rock and which of us stands on sand?

I'm saying that it is generally accepted by today's society that cursing is okay. Do you not agree that more and more people are cursing? Is that not proof that it is becoming more acceptable?

Just because something is acceptable by today's society doesn't mean it is right.  The original post asked if cussing was right.  God says it isn't.  As a Christian, what more proof do you need that we shouldn't cuss?

Whenever you say "God says" or "I believe" you are showing your emotions are interfering with your judgment and you are therefor biased and discrediting yourself.

I disagree.  My emotions have nothing to do with how I'm arguing.  The fact that I am using God's standard as my own doesn't interfere with my own judgment, it shows that I am attempting to have my judgment be the same as God's on this issue.  If agreeing with God discredits me then I will gladly be discredited.

Do you not agree that more and more people are cursing? Is that not proof that it is becoming more acceptable?

More and more people are kidnapping children, molesting them, and killing them.
More and more people are registered sex offenders.
More and more people are viewing child pornography.
More and more people are going on killing sprees before committing suicide.
More and more people are committing adultery.
More and more married teachers are having sex with their students.

The "more and more people" mentality is probably what got Sodom and Gomorrah into trouble.

Cussing is unnecessary. By not cussing I have set myself apart from others I work around and it is noticed. I have said my share of cuss words in the past, but decided it was unnecessary and contradictory to being a good witness. I enjoy holding my tongue to a higher standard and having it be noticed. There are plenty of descriptive words in the English language to use instead of cussing. I have read the entire thread and see alot of posts attempting to justify cussing as socially acceptable and situationally useful, but those just come across as a cop-out rather than a legitimate reason to cuss. Many things that are socially acceptable (cussing) and situationally useful (condoms) do not line up with being a child of God. We are people set apart from the world and we are to be different and it is supposed to be noticed. Draw a line in the sand, get a backbone and start saying this is where I stand.....deal with it. Quit arguing/debating, whatever you want to call it,  about whether cussing is a sin because is it simply a dog chasing its tail mentality at this point. Those who want to cuss will find justification for it and those who do not cuss are justified. I will agree to disagree with those who want to justify cussing and mine will always be the sounder position because I choose to bridle my tongue NOT find justification to loose it. Draw a line in the sand and be set apart from the world as a child of God. I will not argue this and I will not debate this. I am simply showing where I have drawn the line in the sand and have said "No more will I do this, I am different."

Godspeed,
Mike

 

1. Would you cuss in front of your parents?

Curse words frequent casual conversations with my father.

Would you cuss in front of a girl/guy you are interested in?

I'm only interested in girls, but typically a girl who would have a problem with me cursing I wouldn't date. It's a sign of immaturity, in my eyes.

Would you cuss during an interview or a business transaction?

Depends on whether or not they curse first. After they curse first, not-overdone swearing on the same level of "badness wordiness" is actually a good strategy.


To the scriptural arguments, I say that you're making scripture say what you want it to say. There were not words that were considered "bad" and "unusable" at that time.

I'm also guessing none of you guys have spent much time in England or Ireland. Cursing is just the way of talking there.

Colossians 3:8
"But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."

Ephesians 5:3-5
"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

People give words meanings. Words also have many different meanings. If you are using a curse word in a non-dirty context, you are not using filthy language. If you use a curse word in a filthy context, then you are going against this, not because you cursed, but because you used filthy language. The F-bomb only has a sexual meaning when used to denote sex, in itself it is just an casually used adjective similar to "uber".

Ephesians 4:29
"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

Once again, it is not the words themselves that build people up but the "use" of the words. Curse words can be used to bring people up, for sure. I don't see any problem with saying "I _ love that song" and don't see why saying "I _ hate you" is any worse than saying "I hate you".


I definitely don't think there is a problem with cutting back on cursing. I personally cursed quite often in casual conversation by senior year of high school (just because everyone I hung around did, I even accidentally dropped one in a casual conversation with my principal, who I don't think noticed). When I came to Trevecca, I stopped cursing (because uber-conservative Freshman would giggle, which shows how sheltered that school is). There have been a few words that have stuck in my vocabulary as the word I go to first for a specific meaning. A lot of these are British words. Since I've transferred from Trevecca to a much better and bigger college (one where dancing isn't considered a sin), I can imagine that my use of swear words will unintentionally increase, depending on who I'm around.