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Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Souron on July 15, 2010, 05:49:39 PM
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Hi. (Sorry no smiley face today)
i live outside oberlin OH in a rural area. ihave 10 chickens. and as you can guess there are lots of ferral cats around usualy i don't mind them,(That is when their not scaling chicken wire to get into the henhouse) which is exactly what one little kitten is doing. i don't want to hurt the little guy, but i don't want his fleas and diseases spreading to my flock. any help would be great.
P.S we are going to take him to a shelter but i need suggestion for untill then.
God bless, Souron
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You're a farmer, kill the cat.
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A. welcome to the boards.
B. it's spelled Sauron.
C. + 1 Pol. of course, I hate cats, so...
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I was going to post Stephen Lynch's "Kill a Kitten" here, but after listening to it I realized there is an offensive line.
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I was going to post Stephen Lynch's "Kill a Kitten" here, but after listening to it I realized there is an offensive line.
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can't be half as offensive as your face.
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A. welcome to the boards.
B. it's spelled Sauron.
C. + 1 Pol. of course, I hate cats, so...
hey look you can be Sauron's servant now!
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You're a farmer, kill the cat.
Yeah, that's pretty much the lowdown here. Kittens might be cute, but their lives are not worth risking your livelihood.
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You're a farmer, kill the cat.
Yeah, that's pretty much the lowdown here. Kittens might be cute, but their lives are not worth risking your livelihood.
+1 and if you live in Minnesota it's probably illegal like most things are.
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You're a farmer, kill the cat.
But, but, meow...
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wow Jordan you're a lot cuter now...Don't tell your wife I said that...
~Jayden
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A. welcome to the boards.
B. it's spelled Sauron.
C. + 1 Pol. of course, I hate cats, so...
+1
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inside every kitten is a sabertooth tiger. kill it before it kills you.
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wow, I hope you guys are joking.
God's creatures are to be taken care of by us not killed, unless it really is a lion trying to kill you.
I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
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We've been given dominion over all animals, but I'm a kitten sympathizer.
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We've been given dominion over all animals, but I'm a kitten sympathizer.
That doesn't mean you should go around killing them.
That being said, killing cats is often the correct thing to do imo (I wouldn't say so in this situation)... assuming you're having trouble with those feral cats. The cat could very well kill your animals and spread disease. Feeding it will only attract more, and taking it to a shelter seems like a good idea, but 99 times out of 10 you'll be wasting your energy and resources just to have them kill it two weeks later. If you've exhausted your other options and can humanely kill it, do it.
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killing cats is perfectly normal for a farmer.
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God's creatures are to be taken care of by us not killed, unless it really is a lion trying to kill you.
Yeah, he's kind of trying to take care of his chickens.
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I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
This is a good idea. Like leave it by the back door or where it is away from the chickens.
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I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
This is a good idea. Like leave it by the back door or where it is away from the chickens.
Thanks.
We've been given dominion over all animals, but I'm a kitten sympathizer.
I am Kitten lover. I've lost two kittens, ones gone on to heaven, in the past year so, killing kittens is no joke to me.
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why do kittens go to heaven?
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I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
This is a good idea. Like leave it by the back door or where it is away from the chickens.
Thanks.
We've been given dominion over all animals, but I'm a kitten sympathizer.
I am Kitten lover. I've lost two kittens, ones gone on to heaven, in the past year so, killing kittens is no joke to me.
Its not a kitten. Its a cat. He needs to protect his chickens. He should kill the cat.
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A. welcome to the boards.
B. it's spelled Sauron.
C. + 1 Pol. of course, I hate cats, so...
hey look you can be Sauron's servant now!
I'm Saruman (too lazy to change my name). I've always been Sauron's servant. but he is NOT Sauron. Franta012 is Sauron.
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wow, I hope you guys are joking.
God's creatures are to be taken care of by us not killed, unless it really is a lion trying to kill you.
I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
Look where that ideology has gotten us
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wow, I hope you guys are joking.
God's creatures are to be taken care of by us not killed, unless it really is a lion trying to kill you.
I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
Look where that ideology has gotten us
???why do kittens go to heaven?
Well this is my logic, When God Created the earth, life was in perfect harmony. God said his creation was good. Then humanity sinned, got banned from the garden and things began to die, or were killed.
In Gods new Creation, New Jerusalem, whatever you would like to call it, when the world is no more and we all have either eternal life or death. I feel that all gods creatures will live among us as well. So when my cat die, I looked forward to the day when I would one day seem him again, and sometimes think how jealous I am that he gets to be in the presence of the almighty God.
If we look at revealation, we see the four beast that are in heaven. This may be an indication that humans and angel are not the only one that will inhabit heaven.
So that is my theology of things.
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Well this is my logic, When God Created the earth, life was in perfect harmony. God said his creation was good. Then humanity sinned, got banned from the garden and things began to die, or were killed.
In Gods new Creation, New Jerusalem, whatever you would like to call it, when the world is no more and we all have either eternal life or death. I feel that all gods creatures will live among us as well. So when my cat die, I looked forward to the day when I would one day seem him again, and sometimes think how jealous I am that he gets to be in the presence of the almighty God.
If we look at revealation, we see the four beast that are in heaven. This may be an indication that humans and angel are not the only one that will inhabit heaven.
So that is my theology of things.
A. the four beasts are quite possibly representative of things, like prophecy often is.
B. you FEEL like that all God's creatures? I would suggest not basing things off of feelings.
C. animals don't have souls.
D. That's not theology...theology is the study of God.
E. Wrath is weak.
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wow, I hope you guys are joking.
God's creatures are to be taken care of by us not killed, unless it really is a lion trying to kill you.
I suggest you give it some food and water to keep it away from you hens then bring it to the shelter.
Look where that ideology has gotten us
???
There are way more cats and dogs then there are people to care for them
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You're a farmer, kill the cat.
GREATEST IDEA EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So what would be the final say for him???
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If it truly is just a kitten, then it is still trainable. I'm sure there are ways to discourage the kitten from climbing the fence other than killing it. Find something that cats don't like (maybe vinegar?) and put it on the fence. The kitten will eventually lick his paws, taste the vinegar (or whatever you choose), and go, "Yuck!" Another possibility is to whack the fence with a bat when the cat is on it. That should scare it off. If you think about it, you will come up with plenty of ways to train the kitten rather than kill it.
Be aware, though, that I personally like vinegar..... and chicken....
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If it truly is just a kitten, then it is still trainable. I'm sure there are ways to discourage the kitten from climbing the fence other than killing it. Find something that cats don't like (maybe vinegar?) and put it on the fence. The kitten will eventually lick his paws, taste the vinegar (or whatever you choose), and go, "Yuck!" Another possibility is to whack the fence with a bat when the cat is on it. That should scare it off. If you think about it, you will come up with plenty of ways to train the kitten rather than kill it.
Be aware, though, that I personally like vinegar..... and chicken....
Thanks i'll give that a try.
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A. the four beasts are quite possibly representative of things, like prophecy often is.
B. you FEEL like that all God's creatures? I would suggest not basing things off of feelings.
C. animals don't have souls.
D. That's not theology...theology is the study of God.
E. Wrath is weak.
A. I base this answer of a graduate seminary course that I took on the Book of Revelation. I mispoke when I said beast, I meant the four living creatures, one representing domestic animals, another wild animals, I would have to go bad into my notes on that.
b. I when I said feelings I was not being literal. I base this on the fact that God will one day restore his creation to its former glory.
C. Your right on this one, but that doesn't mean they won't have a place in God's new Creation.
D. Yes theology is the study of God, but there are specific areas within theology, this topic falling under creation care, the ethics and theology of caring for the earth and its creatures.
Anyway, You all are going to just argue with me, so I am not going to respond anymore. We can just agree to disagree.
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Anyway, You all are going to just argue with me, so I am not going to respond anymore. We can just agree to disagree.
I disagree to agree to disagree.
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We can just agree to disagree.
No. I refuse!
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C. Your right on this one, but that doesn't mean they won't have a place in God's new Creation.
which would mean you'll never see your cat again. perhaps there will be cats, but not your cat.
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I'm fairly certain God has a cat.
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Yeah, a few of them, actually. We know of them as THUNDERCATS!
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I'm Lion-ooooooooooooooooooo ;D
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I'm Lion-el ;D
it's lion-o.
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i like it
(but do not like communism)
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1.) Indeed
2.) Huge
3.) Sam (http://www.samandfuzzy.com/)
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I love me some communism.
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C. Your right on this one, but that doesn't mean they won't have a place in God's new Creation.
which would mean you'll never see your cat again. perhaps there will be cats, but not your cat.
THAT IS A VERY UNCHRISTIAN THING TO SAY TO ME!!!!! YOU DONT JOKE ABOUT MY PRECIOUS CAT THAT PASSESED AWAY!
Have some respect for my life and my family!
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why do kittens go to heaven?
they don't. period. .. . ... ....... .
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He wasn't joking. If you believed that whenever we lose a toy it gets taken by little green men to a space capsule to be returned to us one day, would it be "disrespectful" for us to tell you that's not the case?
By the same token, whether or not his cat is going to be in heaven, who does it benefit for us to tell him that it doesn't? It just upsets him, and he's clearly easily upset if he's a farmer who doesn't want to kill feral cats. So just leave off it, ok?
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C. Your right on this one, but that doesn't mean they won't have a place in God's new Creation.
which would mean you'll never see your cat again. perhaps there will be cats, but not your cat.
THAT IS A VERY UNCHRISTIAN THING TO SAY TO ME!!!!! YOU DONT JOKE ABOUT MY PRECIOUS CAT THAT PASSESED AWAY!
Have some respect for my life and my family!
You agreed with him that animals have no souls. Apparently the two of you draw different conclusions from that premise. I can't make any judgments about your relationship with your cat, but all I know is that God values us much, much higher than animals:
Mat 10:31 - "Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows."
I don't believe that creatures without souls are irreplaceable, as people are. The Bible doesn't say anything about the issue of animals going to Heaven, so all this is opinion. Expressing that opinion is not un-Christian, and should not offend anyone. Just please calm down. No one was trying to disrespect you.
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Doesn't Jesus return from heaven riding a horse?
I know for sure that there will be a Lamb in heaven. ;)
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Or is it a metaphorical lamb?
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Or is it a metaphorical lamb?
Lamb or horse? Revelation says that Jesus will be riding a white horse. I was joking about the Lamb.
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back on topic.
my girlfriend grew up on a farm. she said to go ahead and let the kitten get into the henhouse. the rooster and hens will peck it to death. problem solved.
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back on topic.
my girlfriend grew up on a farm. she said to go ahead and let the kitten get into the henhouse. the rooster and hens will peck it to death. problem solved.
except the kitten/cat still dies?
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thats the point. problem solved.
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back on topic.
my girlfriend grew up on a farm. she said to go ahead and let the kitten get into the henhouse. the rooster and hens will peck it to death. problem solved.
I suppose that quite literally, curiosity DID kill the cat...... Or hunger. Or maybe the chickens.
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Blatantly Saying that I will never see my cat again, and suggesting that other cats may be there in heaven but not mine is an attack on me. (On the feelings and loss that my family suffered. That day was the worst day of our lives. A day that I would not like to live over again. You may or may not know the pain of holding a liveless being but I do and it wasn't fun.)
If my wife were to read what Ring Wraith wrote it would devastate her. If I wasn't Christian I would have some choice words to say to some of you. However being the man of faith that I am I will just say how immature some of you are. You have a lot of growing up to do. But I forgive you for your immaturity and hope if I ever meet you in the redemption world that we can have good fellowship in the game.
Back on the main topic, if the cat goes in there and gets itself kill then that is part of survival for the hens. Yes creatures kill other creatures, but as those who have dominion over the creatures we try to find less violent solutions. I look to the day when God's creation will be restores and death will be no more.
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Blatantly Saying that I will never see my cat again, and suggesting that other cats may be there in heaven but not mine is an attack on me. (On the feelings and loss that my family suffered. That day was the worst day of our lives. A day that I would not like to live over again. You may or may not know the pain of holding a liveless being but I do and it wasn't fun.)
I was not intending to attack you, but as Pol said, I was merely pointing out the error in your thinking. and my dog died this past year. I've had it since I was 4, so yes, I do know, but just because I've lost an animal doesn't mean I should irrationally hope for something that won't happen.
If my wife were to read what Ring Wraith wrote it would devastate her. If I wasn't Christian I would have some choice words to say to some of you. However being the man of faith that I am I will just say how immature some of you are. You have a lot of growing up to do. But I forgive you for your immaturity and hope if I ever meet you in the redemption world that we can have good fellowship in the game.
would there have been a better way to correct you? I do have a lot of growing up to do, yes, but I fail to see where I went wrong.
and if you'll be at nationals, I'll definitely look forward to meeting you!
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"Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?" -Ecclesiastes 3:21 NKJV
For a better understanding of the context of this verse, I recommend reading the book of Ecclesiastes (It's my favorite). However, regardless whether this verse is read in context or not (or whether alternate translations are considered), it is undeniable that it strongly suggests that people and animals have different destinations after death.
Beyond this, I don't think I have much more that I can contribute to this debate. I have a friend who would likely take the exact same stance as you, robm, on this issue. She's an animal rights kind of person, and a Christian, I might add. The emotional connection that people like you and her have to animals is something I will probably never understand, since I'm not a very emotional person in general. That aside, I highly recommend not letting emotions cloud your judgment; in no way am I suggesting that is what you are doing now, but if you believe that you would be susceptible to such an error, I would recommend that you analyze your motives whenever you feel your emotions are dictating your behavior. My reasoning for that is that there are many false beliefs and religions out there that use emotional connection to sucker people into them (Mormonism comes to mind). Just be careful.
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I think this situation falls under the "online obscurity" dilemma. Since Ring Wraith and robm were not talking face-to-face, the interpretation of the written words went awry.
I think we have to be careful about what we ssume to be true regarding animals in heaven. There is no way to truly know. We are making suppositions based on certain scripture, but I still have to wonder about Jesus returning from heaven riding a white horse. Wouldn't the horse had to have been in heaven?
I really don't have a steadfast opinion. I had a dog for 20 years. When she died, I was quite emotional. Pets can certainly express love, so there is indeed a place in heaven for that. ;D
My condolences to your family, robm. Losing a pet is always difficult. Losing my dog was particularly painful for me since I had so few human friends. My dog was always there so I would not be alone. I remember one time that I had an argument with my parents (I think I was 10). I stormed off to my room crying. A few minutes later, my dog came peeking around the door. I said, "Go away!" She backed off for a moment, then slowly walked up to me and put her head on my lap (I was sitting on my bed). She looked up at me with those... well, puppy-dog eyes. She stayed with me until I stopped crying.
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However being the man of faith that I am I will just say how immature some of you are. You have a lot of growing up to do. But I forgive you for your immaturity and hope if I ever meet you in the redemption world that we can have good fellowship in the game.
I was cool with this debate and your side of the argument (which I don't agree with entirely) until I read this. lolwut? Self righteous much.
But being the man of God that I am, I know that you just have an inflated view of self because of sin, so I will ignore your faults and forgive you so that we can fellowship.
Yeah, it sounds that bad.
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Robm does that mean you believe that all animals we eat will be in heaven?
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However being the man of faith that I am I will just say how immature some of you are. You have a lot of growing up to do. But I forgive you for your immaturity and hope if I ever meet you in the redemption world that we can have good fellowship in the game.
I was cool with this debate and your side of the argument (which I don't agree with entirely) until I read this. lolwut? Self righteous much.
But being the man of God that I am, I know that you just have an inflated view of self because of sin, so I will ignore your faults and forgive you so that we can fellowship.
Yeah, it sounds that bad.
I wasn't try to sound self righteous, I am quite the opposite of that in person. As someone pointed out communication gets misunderstood from all stand point when face to face communication isn't involved and we type out of emotion, quick response, etc. We all will continue to grow and be streched by the lord and we all have our own opinions on things. Ulitimately I leave it up to God, we cannot even imaging what it will be like, so yes we really don't know the answer either way. However we can have faith in whatever we are hoping for. I too apologies if I offended anyone and hope we can move pass this, because there are many issues in Christianity that we will all never agree on.
In Christ,
Rob M
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However being the man of faith that I am I will just say how immature some of you are. You have a lot of growing up to do. But I forgive you for your immaturity and hope if I ever meet you in the redemption world that we can have good fellowship in the game.
I was cool with this debate and your side of the argument (which I don't agree with entirely) until I read this. lolwut? Self righteous much.
But being the man of God that I am, I know that you just have an inflated view of self because of sin, so I will ignore your faults and forgive you so that we can fellowship.
Yeah, it sounds that bad.
There's quite a difference between being accountable and rude. You'd do well to understand that difference.
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Man.... Didn't we just have this debate..... Robm was probably overly harsh, Alex was probably overly sarcastic, now lets move on.
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Oh, I was definately over sarcastic. I have found that in an online setting you do well to exaggerate your tone in order to allow it to be easily understoof,
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However, there's a trade off between "easily understood" and "liked by others". Sarcasm is superbly effective at communicating one point, but the other party may be so put off by it that they miss your point entirely.
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uh, isnt that the point of sarcasm? so they dont miss the point?
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uh, isnt that the point of sarcasm? so they dont miss the point?
There are many people who do not recognize or understand sarcasm because they never use it. My wife was appalled when she first met my family because every word out of their mouths was dripping with sarcasm. It took her several years to be willing to visit my family because their words would make her break down and cry daily. It also took me several years to "detox" my own speech. I was not well received when I first start attending Liberty University in Virginia. Some wrote off my sarcasm because I was from New England. But others wanted nothing to do with me because they thought I was the most rude person they had ever met, especially for a Christian. Several of my wife's friends tried to talk her out of marrying me. Some of her other friends told me that when I had first met Rebecca, she told them she would never marry a guy like me. Thankfully she could see that I was trying to change, and after meeting my family, she also realized that most of it was habit (and defense mechanism).
In the end, although people may "know what you meant," some still walk away viewing you as rude and unChristlike when you use sarcasm. There are different levels of sarcasm, too. Some of it is just playful banter. But there is some sarcasm that cuts deep and intends to hurt. I have noticed that the latter is more prevalent on these boards, which is not a good report considering the nature and audience of this forum.
FWIW, I am speaking globally here, not just about this thread in particular. Sarcasm was brought up, so I thought I would throw in my :2cents: about that specifically.
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Sarcasm is saying the opposite of what you mean. It basically combines insulting someone with making fun of their failing. Even if you take it to the extreme to make your point clear, it would still be better to just say what you mean to begin with. That way your point is clear, and you don't offend people as much.
As for the pets thing, I don't believe that pets will go to heaven. However, I have felt the pain that comes with the loss of a close family pet, and therefore I tread lightly when talking about the subject with others who have gone through that. I don't think that the posts in this thread have been treading lightly. I also won't be shocked if I get to heaven and find out I was wrong, and my dog is there.
I disagree to agree to disagree.
On a more positive note, that statement (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=12349.msg349669#msg349669) was really funny!
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Robm does that mean you believe that all animals we eat will be in heaven?
This wasn' a sarcastic question btw.
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I would guess that if animals do go to heaven, it would only be "clean animals." So the animals that we eat now that were forbidden for the Israelites in the OT will not be in heaven, I would guess. But who knows? :)
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Entirely not serious:
http://www.pete.com/media/785/Battle_Of_The_Church_Signs/ (http://www.pete.com/media/785/Battle_Of_The_Church_Signs/)
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One of my favorite pictures of all times!