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well personally,i believe that God did not put certain things in the Bible for a purpose.......the sub-stories and details that could have been included are not nearly as important as the story and ancestry of Jesus and the redemptive aspect of his death on the cross. If He truely wanted us to know EVERYTHING he would not have let us "fall" or, better yet, he would have made us direct incarnations of Himself. Ideas formulated on things unstated or unknown is conjecture. Also due to the many translation errors....it is almost impossible to directly understand subtleties in the original languages. Also many documetns that contain "factual information" of Biblical identities, despite possibly being accepted due to relegious concerns, contain rather absurd and peculiar accounts of the lives of the topic person/character.......read the Bible and don't worry about the tiny details of the unknown........well that's my two cents
There's nothing to suggest that "heylel" is a name or a proper noun. To use it to refer to Satan is far more ambiguous.
I obviously don't think God "put" anything in the Bible, but that's just me.
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 07, 2009, 09:37:49 PMThere's nothing to suggest that "heylel" is a name or a proper noun. To use it to refer to Satan is far more ambiguous.So you're saying it's makes more sense to say Lucifer refers to Jesus than Lucifer refers to anybody at all? How does that work?
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 07, 2009, 11:00:52 PMI obviously don't think God "put" anything in the Bible, but that's just me.would you agree that the writings included in, perhaps, a cornerstone of our faith were, at least, devinely inspired?
No, it makes more sense to say that it was an allusion to Venus.
In the same way that Phaedo was inspired by Socrates and the Matrix was inspired by Descartes, yeah.
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 07, 2009, 11:06:40 PMNo, it makes more sense to say that it was an allusion to Venus.Not in the context I laid out.
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 07, 2009, 11:06:40 PMIn the same way that Phaedo was inspired by Socrates and the Matrix was inspired by Descartes, yeah.so do you think that God had absolutely nothing to with the writting of the "WORD OF GOD"? just wondering
The word "Lucifer" isn't a name, at least, unless it's in reference to Jesus.
In fact, we don't even know what the word "heylel" means.
I personally think that abandoning your reliance on scripture opens your eyes to the reality of Christianity and the gospel.
I personally think that abandoning your reliance on scripture opens your eyes to the reality of Christianity and the gospel. Otherwise, your faith is just full of contradictions, errors, and choosing verses to reinforce what you've already been taught to believe.
Suit yourself. I'm content to trust that there are smart people in the world, who don't just make stuff up.
No, I'm going to accept centuries of scholarship on the word until you give me a better reason to shift my paradigm.
And?
Jesus has like a hundred different names in prophecy,
And I'm pointing out to you that, despite your claims, this is the only place the name appears in Scripture. So the whole notion of "other than Jesus" actually encompasses all references.
By that you mean in the English translation of scripture. In the Vulgate, the first appearance of the word in the Bible, it is left uncapitalised.
Quote from: Colin Michael on May 08, 2009, 11:16:18 AMBy that you mean in the English translation of scripture. In the Vulgate, the first appearance of the word in the Bible, it is left uncapitalised.No, I mean it's the only place the word appears in Scripture.
