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These things have mostly been said already but this is my opinion as someone who has played the game on and off for 9 years and introduced the game to several people at different points during that time. The game has continuously and dramatically improved in almost every aspect for the entire time I have played it. The card design especially; I greatly prefer the general power level most cards are at now that they were when I started. The power creep the game has experienced has been for the good of the game overall. .That said I feel like this is a good point to stop the creep and that seems to be the plan since CoW and RoJ have pretty comparable power levels and I expect next years set will follow suit.

As for the original topic of the thread, I have never personally interacted with a player or prospective player who quit or didn't get into the game because of it being too complicated or having too many interactions to learn. One of my more recent additions to the Redemption playerbase is my cousin. He has a pretty short attention span and mostly plays high action, low strategy games. He is precisely the kind of person who would potentially give up learning Redemption because it's too much information to learn but he's been consistently learning and progressing over the past year and is even coming with me to Nats this time.

The only "problem" with Redemption is not that anything is getting worse, just that some things are getting better slower than others. The card pool and the REG are significantly better than they ever have been, but the number of new interactions is increasing faster than the definitions for those interactions. This isn't really an actual problem, merely a symptom of progress.

Going directly against a ruling because you don't like it or don't agree with it falls into the camp of cheating. Taking free mulligans at a tournament and justifying it by saying that there isn't anything written that disallows it falls into the camp of cheating. If someone did those things I'd be inclined to think they are a cheater.

Wow. Was this person disqualified, banned, or anything? I'm just curious what type of punishment is appropriate in these circumstances. I have had people cheat at my tournaments in the past and never really knew what the best course of action should have been.

I wasn't there but from the accounts I heard from 3 people it doesn't sound to me like the host/judge handled it appropriately.

I guess that's why I was asking. I'm not sure I handled my situation the best way either. It's something that we're not really trained on when we chose to become a host. It seems a bit negative to dedicate a thread to discipline procedures, but I know I would have benefited from having something in writing. 

If it happened at a tournament I'm hosting the player would receive a match loss (and warning) or be completely disqualified from the event depending on how flagrant it appeared to be.

Thank you for putting this out there, so hosts can have an idea of what experienced hosts would do. 

There's also some guidelines on how to handle these kinds of issues in the tournament guide.

For what its worth, I left Redemption because of my own theological issues with it.  It had nothing to do with complexity or inconsistency.  On the whole I think there are many positive outcomes that result from Redemption.  The main one is fellowship, which is evidenced by the fact that I am posting now even though I stopped playing over 6 years ago.

Redemption as a game actually functions very well because the base system is simple enough to be picked up easily while the many different cards and abilities give it a deep strategy pool from which to draw.  This pulls in new players easily and keeps old players interested.

Come back! They made a new falling away 

I didn't leave because of any one card.  I left because no Christian, in their right mind, would try to stop the spread of the Gospel (i.e. save a Lost Soul).  Therefore, half the cards I would never use nor do I think should be used.  Not using evil cards makes the game unbalanced and also introduces the temptation to use good cards in order to make sure I get to 5 before someone else when the reality is I should be encouraging everyone to get to 5 as quickly as possible.  I could make a deck that could do just that, but the result would be unhappy play partners because it would skew the results.  How would you feel if at a tournament I showed up with my "Oprah: Everybody gets a Redeemed Soul" deck and you end up losing because you didn't play me?

So you're another, harder RLK, big deal. You could play a deck that attempts to tie both players at five (which is possible) and that would still be an outcome your opponent want to prevent at a tournament.

How is that possible?

Tap the two liner swap it to your opponents land of bondage son of God it when you're both at four

I am positive once this game is made for mobile and all of the logic constraints and barriers are taken away hundreds of thousands of people will get it to play it constantly

I am positive once this game is made for mobile and all of the logic constraints and barriers are taken away hundreds of thousands of people will get it to play it constantly

This is going to sound unnecessarily harsh but it's delusional to think Redemption can be made into a successful mobile game. Both the mobile game market and card game market are ridiculously saturated and even if all the current confusing interactions were streamlined, perfectly defined, and programmed, it's not simple enough to have the widespread appeal required to be a successful online CCG. The only ways for an online CCG to even have a chance at success is to be extremely intuitive to the point that someone can watch a single game and understand whats going on without being taught anything (Hearthstone) or have an enormous user base in place before the online version is created (MtG). Even in the case of MtG, with its gigantic player base, (and the demand and funding that goes along with that player base) it has had many troubles and several failed attempts to recreate the game in a practical way as an online program.

All things are possible with God but it would be a straight up miracle for Redemption to ever have an actual online presence beyond table simulators like Lackey.

Quote from: kariusvega on July 25, 2017, 10:39:08 AM

I am positive once this game is made for mobile and all of the logic constraints and barriers are taken away hundreds of thousands of people will get it to play it constantly

This is going to sound unnecessarily harsh but it's delusional to think Redemption can be made into a successful mobile game.

i disagree at minimum it could serve as a teaching tutorial with i/j starter decks

Keep dreaming big and don't let the naysayers say nay! If the Lord tarries there is so much room for Redemption to become so much bigger and spread joy to the lives of countless people like it has us.