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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2009, 02:44:30 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).

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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2009, 02:47:34 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2009, 02:55:19 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2009, 03:06:21 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2009, 03:08:18 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.

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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 03:08:59 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.
Yeah.


Did you know that some scholars believe that Pricillia could have written Hebrews?
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Re: Books
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 03:12:56 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.
Yeah.


Did you know that some scholars believe that Pricillia could have written Hebrews?

yeah that is a lot of quoting. oh and colin :offtopic:

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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2009, 03:20:43 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.
Yeah.


Did you know that some scholars believe that Pricillia could have written Hebrews?

yeah that is a lot of quoting. oh and colin :offtopic:
It's about the Bible.
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2009, 09:33:24 PM »
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It's hard to name a favorite. I think Romans and Ephesians have the most highlighted verses in my Bible. I also love Acts and Revelation. As for the Old Testament, Psalms, Proverbs, and Esther are probably my favorites.

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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2009, 09:55:14 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.
Yeah.


Did you know that some scholars believe that Pricillia could have written Hebrews?

yeah that is a lot of quoting. oh and colin :offtopic:
It's about the Bible.
To add to the quoting... This is about ur favorite Bible book.

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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2009, 11:04:02 PM »
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The gospel of Judas is somewhat interesting.
Yes, in the same sense that watching a snake shed it's skin is interesting.  They are both all twisted up and leave you with something hollow, lifeless, and useless :)
My thoughts the gospel of Judas

That doesn't mean it isn't a gospel, it just means it isn't a Biblical gospel.
How about if you let those of us who actually believe that the Bible is God's Word decide what is a Gospel :)
It's a gospel because it's a historical text narrating the life of Jesus.

It's not a historical text. First, the Gospel of Judas was not written by Judas (making it pseudonymous -- and to be clear, even though the author of Hebrews is unknown, it does not make a false claim as to its authorship) -- which right away disqualifies it from being the inspired Word of God, and second it was written in the 2nd century, after Judas died (meaning that, again, it wasn't written by Judas and, unlike the four canonical gospels, it is not an eyewitness account of the life and ministry of Jesus).
However, it still is a "gospel" (whether it is a true or false gospel) and, like the other gospels, it provides a perspective on how Jesus was viewed in the second century. It is a historical text, it just cannot all be verified to be true.

I also stand by the archeological method (a.k.a. the genealogical method) as the best hermeneutic for scripture (or an other topic).

Stop Picking Fights Colin
Naw.

This is way too much quoting.
Yeah.


Did you know that some scholars believe that Pricillia could have written Hebrews?

yeah that is a lot of quoting. oh and colin :offtopic:
It's about the Bible.
To add to the quoting... This is about ur favorite Bible book.

Wall of text crits you for over 9000 dammage, Daniel is my favorite book  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2009, 11:05:08 PM »
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Exodus or Revelation. I really like Revelation because there are so many things in there that will be signs of Christs second return. Exodus, because God is always there for, well, His people. No matter how many people need help, He is always there for them.
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2009, 09:20:39 AM »
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Stop all the huge quoting or will lock this topic : its spam
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yeah that is a lot of quoting. oh and colin :offtopic:
[/quote] It's about the Bible.
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2009, 08:13:30 PM »
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I can't really pick a favorite book, but I'm reading II Timothy right now.

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2009, 10:29:00 AM »
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 :P i like reading O.T. more than N.T...... except the gospels they rock! ;D
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2009, 11:05:51 AM »
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colin the gnostic books are false and my favrite book is judges.
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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2009, 11:07:53 AM »
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colin the gnostic books are false and my favrite book is judges.
that argument is over
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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2009, 01:20:47 PM »
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colin the gnostic books are false
Prove it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2009, 01:42:00 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2009, 01:51:14 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2009, 01:56:39 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2009, 02:02:23 PM »
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Colin is right, logically. The burden of proof is on you to prove something is. You can't really prove a negative.

In this case, however, asking for proof is just silly as well. I can't PROVE to you that George Washington really lived or that Herman Melville really wrote Moby dork. I wasn't there. Even if I was, perhaps my senses deceived me.

Christianity is a matter of faith. It requires certain presuppositions. While there are no contradictions between faith and reality, neither can reality PROVE faith beyond any doubt.

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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2009, 02:15:20 PM »
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Actually Colin is not right in the broader sense.  The burden of proof could be on Korunks to prove that the Gospel of Judas was not authentically a gospel.  Or the burden of proof could be on Colin to prove that it is authentic.  Considering that the vast majority of scholars and Christians have decided that it is not authentic, then Colin would be trying to buck the status quo and therefore would have the greater burden of proof.

However, considering that Colin has already admitted that the Gospel of Judas has been proven false, I don't think he'll be trying to prove otherwise :)

Although it can be historically proven false...

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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2009, 02:40:49 PM »
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And the winner is...

Mark Underwood.

Thanks for playing, everyone!
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