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Beliefs
« on: March 17, 2009, 07:10:46 PM »
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WARNING: This is not a debate! Just a poll about what you believe.

Denomination?
Main Day of Worship?
Can Satan Repent?
What is the Trinity?
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
Is Jesus the same as God?
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
What happens when you die?
Who is the chosen people?

To name a few.... ;)

PS. Mods, please don't delete this. This is just a poll  :)


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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 08:48:11 PM »
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I like to say simply that my denomination is "Christian."

I am a Sunday churchgoer.

Satan can repent, but the Bible says he will not.

I think the trinity is something that very few people fully understand.

Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
...What?

Again with the trinity...yes, I do believe that Jesus and God are the same being.

I think Jesus is "Yahweh."

When you die, you are judged by god for your faith and for your repentance; if you have believed in God and have repented for your sins, you will go to heaven, and if not, you will i love you.

Who is the chosen people?
I don't think I fully understand what you are asking.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 09:33:23 PM »
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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
...What?
Who is the chosen people?
I don't think I fully understand what you are asking.
1. Is it wrong to make a statue? (commandment 2)

2. Is Israel the chosen people? Or the church?

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 09:37:53 PM »
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Is Israel the chosen people? Or the church?
Yes.

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Denomination?
I am a member at a Presbyterian church.

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Main Day of Worship?
Sunday is the Lord's Day

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Can Satan Repent?
God does not offer the gift of grace to angels.

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What is the Trinity?
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit

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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
If you break the covenant, you sin.

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Is Jesus the same as God?
See John chapter 1.

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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
YHWH refers to God.  See John chapter 1.

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What happens when you die?
One of two things, you are put into a wooden box and buried in the ground or you are put into a big fire and your ashes are put into a metal container which is then put into a bigger container which is often times made of concrete or metal.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 10:27:16 PM »
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Denomination?
Church of Christ (non-instrumental)

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Main Day of Worship?
Every day of the week but Sunday is probably what you are looking for...

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Can Satan Repent?
Sure he could, but scripture says he won't

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What is the Trinity?
The three fold manifestation of God

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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
Sure because all things are permissible but not all things are beneficial...

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Is Jesus the same as God?
Father, Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit make up who God is, so yes

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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
In as much as Jesus is God, and YHWH is how God revealed himself, yes

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What happens when you die?
Your body goes into the ground and your soul awaits its "spiritual body" or "pneumatica soma" as Paul refers to it to live in heaven forever.

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Who is the chosen people?
God's chosen people are the sons of Abraham (a.k.a. Israel) into which gentiles have been granted entrance into through Jesus


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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 10:35:53 PM »
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Denomination?  United Brethren in Christ
Main Day of Worship? Everyday.
Can Satan Repent? He won't.
What is the Trinity? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? I physically can't. But is it allowed? Yes.
Is Jesus the same as God? John 1
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? Jesus = God
What happens when you die? Long story to tell you what exactly I think.
Who is the chosen people? The Children of God, which was initially the Israelites, but Jesus gave Gentiles the ability to become Children of God as well.

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 11:05:35 PM »
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WARNING: This is not a debate! Just a poll about what you believe.

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First Bapticostal freestyle church of "insert your name here" ministries natural unity and Amway Worship Centre
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Main Day of Worship?
I worship God two times; Day and Night
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Can Satan Repent?
He won't. He may, he can (I think), but he won't
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What is the Trinity?
A wonderful, eternal mystery. Also, a cute little girl in my church
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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
Yes. I eat an entire white chocolate statue of Rob Anderson every year. But, my faith is in vain. No Natz in Elkhart, again... just the President and Huckabee... :[
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Is Jesus the same as God?
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all God. Add the two remaining archangels and you have a competitive bowling team!
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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
Yes, and No. It's complex
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What happens when you die?
You suddenly realize that metalpsalm was right and that you should have listened to him.... Oh, that's only if you are Colin...
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Who are the chosen people?
The Jews, but then also the non-jews that are grafted into the covenant of Abraham by faith in Christ


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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 02:48:07 AM »
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Denomination? Foursquare (sorta ironic if you follow the ideas I debate :p )
Main Day of Worship? Sunday.
Can Satan Repent? No.  It's already been written that he won't.
What is the Trinity? God in three persons: Father, Son, Spirit.
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? As long as it's [ not intended to be / will not become ] an idol.
Is Jesus the same as God? John 1 -- this passage makes it clear that Jesus is God.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?  Yes -- John 8:28.
What happens when you die? Eternal life in Heaven with God if you repent & trust; Eternal torment in Hell if you have not.
Who is the chosen people? Israel + Repentant Gentiles.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 07:53:55 AM »
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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
...What?
Is it wrong to make a statue? (commandment 2)
As long as you don't worship it (and it doesn't cause you to sin in any other way), then go ahead.

Who is the chosen people?
I don't think I fully understand what you are asking.
Is Israel the chosen people? Or the church?
I agree with everyone else that both the Jews and those that have repented are considered God's people.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 08:27:56 AM »
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Denomination: Presbyterian Church (USA)
Main Day of Worship: Sunday
Can Satan Repent: Repentance is only effective as a model of Christ's submission to God. Because God never assumed angelic "flesh" there is nothing for the repenter to turn to in the act of turning that repentance signifies.
What is the Trinity? The source, savior and sustainer of all things.
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? Of course, as long as you're not going to worship it.
Is Jesus the same as God? If you mean God the Father, that's modalism, but Jesus is divine and human without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? The two are related, but YHWH is more often associated with God the Father. A more correct way to phrase this would be to say that the Logos was with YHWH, however, a Jewish pesant did not assist in the creation, or the Exodus, the pre-incarnate 2nd person of the Trinity did.
What happens when you die? It's difficult to parse out, traditionally, Presbyterians believe that your soul goes to heaven, and your body rests until the resurrection. However, many theologians have pointed out that in the Jewish mind, there is no distinction between body and soul, so its possible that you might remain "fallen asleep" until the end of time, when you will wake in the day of the Lord.
Who is the chosen people? Here's a challenge: Read Romans 9-11 and see if you can figure it out. Based on Paul's writings, its not at all clear.

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 03:20:11 PM »
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Exactly where is it written that Satan won't repent?? Not saying that he will, but I've never read that.

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 03:31:36 PM »
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Exactly where is it written that Satan won't repent?? Not saying that he will, but I've never read that.
I think we have to take that a read since from Genesis to Revelation he's the bad guy, and we're told he ends up captured and thrown into the lake of fire forever. Also, there's somethings mentioned in the book of Hebrews "it's not angels He helps, but Abraham's descendants" where is that?
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 07:01:48 PM »
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Denomination?
Christian  :D
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Main Day of Worship?
Sunday
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Can Satan Repent?
I'd say no... I don't think it's in his nature.
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What is the Trinity?
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
Not if you worship it...
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Is Jesus the same as God?
Please rephrase your question. The trinity is one BEING in three distinct PERSONS. So he's the same being... but a different person within that being.
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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
I would say so.
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What happens when you die?
Your body goes into the ground or is burned. Oh... you mean AFTER you die...  ;) You are judged and God decides if you are going to heaven or hell.
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Who is the chosen people?
Who ARE the choses people? Isrealites.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2009, 09:11:00 AM »
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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? whats a "Yahweh"?
"Yahweh" is the holy name for the father.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2009, 01:21:52 PM »
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Denomination? Son of Y'srael
Main Day of Worship? Saturday
Can Satan Repent? No
What is the Trinity? The Father, The Son, And the Spirit of YHWH
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? Yes, but not to worship it.
Is Jesus the same as God? No
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? Yes, its complex, but yes
What happens when you die? You rest and await judgment from God.
Who is the chosen people? Israel

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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2009, 07:24:06 PM »
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Word of Faith
Sunday
He Won't
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
If you do not worship it or show any sign of love of it (i.e., bowing down to it when you pray)
Jesus is part of the Trinity, and therefore is part of God.  Jesus is not the same as God the Father.
I do not understand the question
If you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you go to Heaven.  If not, you i love you.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2009, 07:58:03 PM »
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Denomination? Bible-Believer
Main Day of Worship? The Sabbath ("Friday" evening to "Saturday" evening)
Can Satan Repent? I suppose it might be possible, but the accuser has a different role to play.
What is the Trinity? A concept made by man to try and explain an endless god.
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? A statue? Yes. An idol? No.
Is Jesus the same as God? Yes. He is either one and the same, or a liar and a charlatan.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? Yes. He's one and the same as Yahweh, or a liar. I'm going with the former.
What happens when you die? You go to "sleep" until the time of judgment, when all who believe and follow Yahweh's commands will rise to meet him.
Who is the chosen people? Israel. Those who believe and follow Yahweh's commands are considered as natural born Israelites and are heirs accordingly.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 01:59:22 AM »
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Denomination?
I'm not really in a particular denomination; although I go to a Presbyterian Church I'm not exactly on-board with everything in the Westminister Catechism. Leaning towards Roman Catholicism, but I haven't studied into the Catechism enough to be ready for that kind of decision.

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Main Day of Worship?
Every Sunday or so. I'm also into Zen/Hebraic meditation.

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Can Satan Repent?
Don't really care; if Satan exists, his existence has no meaningful effect on my life. Probably not.

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Can Satan Repent: Repentance is only effective as a model of Christ's submission to God. Because God never assumed angelic "flesh" there is nothing for the repenter to turn to in the act of turning that repentance signifies.
I thought of this post hoc and meant to go back and write it.

There's a pretty cool conspiracy theory about the embodiment of the Nephalim as a means for Satan to receive the redemption of Christ.
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What is the Trinity?
The triune relationship of the individual to the collective consciousness and the sublimation of Geist.
[translation: the triune relationship of man to eternity through the spirit].
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Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
With the proper tools and some time, probably.
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Is Jesus the same as God?
No, though they share similarities.
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Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
I'd also have to say no.
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What happens when you die?
One's life is complete and one becomes part of the eternal collective-consciousness. There isn't any "consciousness" or "existence"; one simply "is". As for salvation, It's probably universal. As for resurrection/reincarnation, I suppose I'll find out, yeah?
As for the other place, I rather love this description of hell in Jean-Paul Sartre's "No Exit", although I believe it to be more metaphorical.

http://www.csun.edu/~vcoao087/342/NoExit.htm

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Who is the chosen people?
The Russians, though my love for German and French girls almost had me reconsider. (More seriously, those who choose to live authentically).
« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 07:41:31 AM by Colin Michael »
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 07:18:59 AM »
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What happens when you die?
One's life is complete and one becomes part of the eternal collective-consciousness. There isn't any "consciousness" or "existence"; one simply "is". As for salvation, It's probably universal. As for resurrection/reincarnation, I suppose I'll find out, yeah?
I can't tell you how scared this makes me for you, but I don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 07:23:49 AM »
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What happens when you die?
One's life is complete and one becomes part of the eternal collective-consciousness. There isn't any "consciousness" or "existence"; one simply "is". As for salvation, It's probably universal. As for resurrection/reincarnation, I suppose I'll find out, yeah?
I can't tell you how scared this makes me for you, but I don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
I'm pretty stoked, actually (and to ease everyone else's fears, that's just Christianity in 19th Century continental terms). What makes me scared is that you don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible. Also, the use of the word "scared" makes me wonder if you'd know what to say if there was no hell.

I wonder if adherence to a conventionalist Biblical perspective and a belief in universal salvation would have saved the world from millions of wars. After all, Jesus told the people to "preach the good news of salvation" not to "force people to believe or they'll i love you".
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2009, 07:32:29 AM »
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What happens when you die?
One's life is complete and one becomes part of the eternal collective-consciousness. There isn't any "consciousness" or "existence"; one simply "is". As for salvation, It's probably universal. As for resurrection/reincarnation, I suppose I'll find out, yeah?
I can't tell you how scared this makes me for you, but I don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
What makes me scared is that you don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
I know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible and knows he isn't a Christian, but you are a case I have never read about or been informed of.
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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2009, 07:35:08 AM »
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What happens when you die?
One's life is complete and one becomes part of the eternal collective-consciousness. There isn't any "consciousness" or "existence"; one simply "is". As for salvation, It's probably universal. As for resurrection/reincarnation, I suppose I'll find out, yeah?
I can't tell you how scared this makes me for you, but I don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
What makes me scared is that you don't know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible.
I know what to say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible and knows he isn't a Christian, but you are a case I have never read about or been informed of.
Well, let me tell you how I'd argue against me if I were in your position.
In the book of Hebrews, the writer argues for Christianity by comparing it to Judaism and arguing that it is a "better" perspective pragmatically (of course both Christianity and Judaism were the same religion at this time, thus adding to the similarity of our situation). You could try something similar.

Of course (as someone will pop up and say soon, I'm sure), I've only picked this because I believe it to be an argument which I believe I can win.




Out of pure curiosity, what would you say to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible and isn't a Christian?
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »
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"Son, you'd better start believing the bible or you'll end up like this guy."
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2009, 03:02:35 PM »
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Denomination? Bible-Believer
Main Day of Worship? The Sabbath ("Friday" evening to "Saturday" evening)
Can Satan Repent? I suppose it might be possible, but the accuser has a different role to play.
What is the Trinity? A concept made by man to try and explain an endless god.
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)? A statue? Yes. An idol? No.
Is Jesus the same as God? Yes. He is either one and the same, or a liar and a charlatan.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? Yes. He's one and the same as Yahweh, or a liar. I'm going with the former.
What happens when you die? You go to "sleep" until the time of judgment, when all who believe and follow Yahweh's commands will rise to meet him.
Who is the chosen people? Israel. Those who believe and follow Yahweh's commands are considered as natural born Israelites and are heirs accordingly.

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2009, 08:37:41 PM »
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"Son, you'd better start believing the bible or you'll end up like this guy."

 :thumbup: (am I the only one that thinks Colin is trying to just confuse us all to prove hes superior?)
Denomination? non denominational
Main Day of Worship? Sunday
Can Satan Repent? Well repentance means to ask forgiveness of which Satan vowed he'll never do therefor it is impossible.
What is the Trinity? The Father, The Son, And the Spirit
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue) not unless you have mad carving skills :)
Is Jesus the same as God? Not technically but in the sense of the trinity is all the same being yes.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? No unless as said before you believe the trinity is all the same being.
What happens when you die? You get a bunch of people in black probably on a sunny day so that they're all sweating and hot to sit and be bored while your probably having fun in heaven and laughing your butt off at them....most people will also have some old sad song sung at they're funeral I on the other hand shall have A Day To Remember - You should have killed me when you had the chance and Sky Eats Airplane- Numbers.
Who is the chosen people? Israelites The hard thing about that question is if the mix breeds of the israelites (i.e. some israelite marries a American) are also chosen people
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