Author Topic: Beliefs (Read 25102 times)

Rrulez · « **Reply #25 on:** May 25, 2009, 08:44:52 PM »

Can Satan Repent? Satan's one goal is to cause all of humanity to i love you, not save his own neck. No, I don't think its impossible for Satan to repent, but its not going to happen. His death has been prophecied.
What happens when you die? Nobody knows.
Who is the chosen people? The two branches of Gods people. Judah and Ephraim.

wk4c · « **Reply #26 on:** May 25, 2009, 08:51:23 PM »

Denomination? Baptist, but definitely not hardcore baptist. As I've said before, our church is only labeled baptist because our chain of churches is founded by a baptist orginization.
Main Day of Worship? Sunday
Can Satan Repent? Honestly doesn't matter, because he won't repent. No use wasting your time and speculating on stuff like that.
What is the Trinity? Father, Son, Spirit
Is Jesus the same as God? Yes and no.
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament? How could he not be(God)? Unless your asking whether or not the people back then knew about Jesus? 1a. Yes. 2a. I don't know, but I'd doubt it.
What happens when you die? I have no idea what happens when you die, but I absolutely know for sure that in the end your going to Heaven.
Who is the chosen people? Isrealites. The other side of this question is too deep to delve into at the moment...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #27 on:** May 25, 2009, 09:49:09 PM »

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Denomination?
Main Day of Worship?
Can Satan Repent?
What is the Trinity?
Can you carve an image of someone (ie a statue)?
Is Jesus the same as God?
Is Jesus the "Yahweh" of the Old Testament?
What happens when you die?
Who is the chosen people?

Bible-believing Monotheist
Whatever day my Church is meeting
No, that's one of his defining characteristics
What is the trinity is like asking what is God? How should I know?
I don't care go for it
No
No
I haven't died yet so I don't know
Whoever God wants them to be.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:08:35 PM »

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I don't know what happens when I die

I have an answer for you. In Romans 10:9-13, it is explained that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. Saved from what, you ask? Saved from hell. All you have to do is ask him, and you will be saved and go to heaven when you die.

I hope I didn't give off the wrong impression that I'm attempting to appear "superior" to anyone in any way. Just wanted you guys to know that.

Love you guys,
Not of this World

Rrulez · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:14:09 PM »

Quote from: NotOfThisWorld66 on May 27, 2009, 02:08:35 PM

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I don't know what happens when I die

I have an answer for you. In Romans 10:9-13, it is explained that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe with your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. Saved from what, you ask? Saved from hell. All you have to do is ask him, and you will be saved and go to heaven when you die.

I hope I didn't give off the wrong impression that I'm attempting to appear "superior" to anyone in any way. Just wanted you guys to know that.

Love you guys,
Not of this World

Right, we know that. But we don't have actual proof.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #30 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:36:32 PM »

Exactly. I don't know that the Bible is true, I jsut believe it be so. It may be, in which case what I think will be true but until I die ti can not be.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:39:19 PM »

Wouldn't the Bible be considered actual proof? Everything in it is true, and that is found in 2 Timothy 3:16 and 17, which says (paraphrased, but the gist) that everything in the Word is acceptable for reproof, doctrine, and it list several others. Don't forget, the Bible was written by God. Even if it was through men, God led other men to write the Bible. And it was His choice what to put in and what not to put in. Also don't forget, God is omnipotent and omniscient. Would he ever lie, even when speaking through men?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #32 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:40:06 PM »

You can't quote the source to prove the source.

Rrulez · « **Reply #33 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:41:29 PM »

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You can't quote the source to prove the source.

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NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:42:36 PM »

I do not wish to get in an argument over anything. I just wanted to let you know that the Bible isn't supposed to make physical sense, but to make faith. As already stated, I don't want to get into any sort of conflict fueled by anger. I just don't want you guys to not be sure of yourselves and be standing on shaky ground. Faith is required to believe the Bible. If you have no faith, you have no Christianity. It takes faith to believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, and that is the key source by which we attain salvation. Therefore without faith, no one is saved.

Rrulez · « **Reply #35 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:44:08 PM »

We aren't. We're simply saying that the bible is unprovable. It can only be accepted by faith. That's all.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #36 on:** May 27, 2009, 02:46:27 PM »

I never said I didn't believe it. I just said I don't know if it is right. And I don't. I believe it is, but that is sufficient to answer teh question given.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:12:05 PM »

Exactly. I suppose if, by "actual proof", you meant natural sources, then you are correct. Yet I posted solely for the purpose of allowing those who don't know what happens when you die have faith. The resurrection is supernatural. People have lied and said it is false. But having faith means knowing with all your heart that it is true. And I do know. And it is not a requirement to have natural proof to know something is true. I have experienced it. You still can experience God's presence today, and you can still have the Holy Spirit, which testifies saying to you (not by an honorable voice, but in your conscience, so to speak) that the Bible is true. Some have written other versions of the Bible and have changed it, but the true Bible will never change. It always was, always is, and will always be.

PS: I apologize if I'm being a little confusing. I'm still in Intermediate School, so I don't have as much ability to say it clearly as an adult would have.

PS(continued): Would God ever lie? If you know God wrote the Bible, you must know that it is all true.

Korunks · « **Reply #38 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:43:56 PM »

Just a quick thought, the bible is a collection of works. Why can't the bible confirm itself to be true? Is it wrong for any other collection of works to support evidence because they happen to be bound in the same physical book? They are called "books" of the bible after all, not chapters.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #39 on:** May 27, 2009, 03:45:36 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on May 27, 2009, 03:43:56 PM

Just a quick thought, the bible is a collection of works. Why can't the bible confirm itself to be true? Is it wrong for any other collection of works to support evidence because they happen to be bound in the same physical book? They are called "books" of the bible after all, not chapters.

Amen, brother!

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #40 on:** May 27, 2009, 04:53:56 PM »

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 02:44:08 PM

We're simply saying that the bible is unprovable. It can only be accepted by faith.

Just because you can't prove the Bible is true 100% does not mean that it has to be accepted wholly on faith. I can pretty much prove that it is more logical to believe the Bible is true, than it is to believe that the Bible is false. That's not 100%, but it means that it is the most rational choice available.

Rrulez · « **Reply #41 on:** May 27, 2009, 05:04:58 PM »

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Colin Michael · « **Reply #42 on:** May 27, 2009, 05:40:06 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 27, 2009, 04:53:56 PM

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
We're simply saying that the bible is unprovable. It can only be accepted by faith.
Just because you can't prove the Bible is true 100% does not mean that it has to be accepted wholly on faith. I can pretty much prove that it is more logical to believe the Bible is true, than it is to believe that the Bible is false. That's not 100%, but it means that it is the most rational choice available.

It's more logical to believe that the Bible is 100% than false?

What about the different genealogies of Christ, was Joseph born twice?
Did Jesus get anointed with expensive perfume three different times by different women, all with similar circumstances?
When Paul writes to the churches, why doesn't he say something like "thus sayeth the Lord?"
Heck, if you examine the history some of the churches Paul went to completely disliked him and asked him to leave.
Why does James openly refute Paul's "saved by grace doctrine?"
Why isn't there ever a mention of the Bible in the Bible (and the verse in Timothy is about the Hebrew law, written before the separation of Judaism and Christianity.)
Also, how do we know Peter's opinion on prophesy is correct? Did Peter mean just the prophesy in the current Old Testament or was he speaking more broadly?
What about the book of Revelation, of which the early church doubted its authenticity?

The most logical explanation is that the Bible was written by humans, and thus it isn't perfectly accurate.

NotOfThisWorld66 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:25:35 PM »

Logic isn't what you should rely on for your doctrine. The Bible was written by God through men, and God doesn't lie. The Bible is logical, however, in that (1) They have found Noah's Ark, (2) They have found the ruins of Jericho, and (3) people have been healed, raised from the dead, and people have seen visions by use of the Word. If that is not proof that the Bible is real, I don't know what is. And anyway, we are to accept the Bible by faith and know that it is true. Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things not seen. If part of the Word is not accurate, how do you know that any of it is accurate? Therefore it is all or nothing. If you believe part of the Word, you are standing on shaky ground. If you believe all of it, however, you are standing on the Solid Rock of Christ.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #44 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:34:54 PM »

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Logic isn't what you should rely on for your doctrine.

Logic is the law of non-contradiction. An illogical doctrine is one which contradicts itself, making it false.

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The Bible was written by God through men, and God doesn't lie.

That's what you believe, however, wouldn't the writers have said something about that?
I'm not going to worship a book.

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(1) They have found Noah's Ark,

Unless this was recent, no they haven't. Secondly, this doesn't prove anything, just that the story passed down and put into the book of Genesis during the Babylonian exile was based off fact. Don't forget that the Babylonians also have a flood myth (as well as practically every other culture).

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(2) They have found the ruins of Jericho,

Yeah, and they've also found Jerusalem and the ruins of the temple that was destroyed. And Babylon, that was a real place too. Don't forget Rome. That doesn't prove anything.

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(3) people have been healed, raised from the dead,

You may believe that, but that's not an objective fact.

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and people have seen visions by use of the Word.

And the use of LSD as well. Is LSD "God inspired"?

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If that is not proof that the Bible is real, I don't know what is.

Perhaps because it isn't what you claim?

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And anyway, we are to accept the Bible by faith and know that it is true.

Why?

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If part of the Word is not accurate, how do you know that any of it is accurate?

By studying and researching it.

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Therefore it is all or nothing.

Why?

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If you believe part of the Word, you are standing on shaky ground.

Why?

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If you believe all of it, however, you are standing on the Solid Rock of Christ.

So the Bible is equated with Christ now? That be heresy.

Rrulez · « **Reply #45 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:40:02 PM »

That isn't heresy, Colin. It's faith. Stop criticizing Christians for having faith on this message board. Go spread your doctrine on the athiest's forum. Not here. Its not welcome here.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #46 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:40:02 PM

That isn't heresy, Colin. It's faith. Stop critisizing Christians for having faith on this message board. Go spread your doctrine on the athiest's mb. Not here. Its not welcome here.

For a Christian who seems so concerned with "truth" (and so convinced that you've found it), why should there be any problem in criticising something that is true?

Also, I might add that I didn't start this particular part of the discussion, and I don't think it's fair to not allow someone to disagree in a "discussion".

Rrulez · « **Reply #47 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:47:05 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on May 27, 2009, 06:41:39 PM

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
That isn't heresy, Colin. It's faith. Stop critisizing Christians for having faith on this message board. Go spread your doctrine on the athiest's mb. Not here. Its not welcome here.
For a Christian who seems so concerned with "truth" (and so convinced that you've found it), why should there be any problem in criticising something that is true?

Because this is a christian forum. Not a doubter's forum. Believe what you will, but stop taking people down with you. I'm not going to go flame some athiests on an athiest's forum about not believing in YHWH. I wouldn't get anywhere. You obviously aren't either.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #48 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:48:40 PM »

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:47:05 PM

Quote from: Colin Michael on May 27, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
That isn't heresy, Colin. It's faith. Stop critisizing Christians for having faith on this message board. Go spread your doctrine on the athiest's mb. Not here. Its not welcome here.
For a Christian who seems so concerned with "truth" (and so convinced that you've found it), why should there be any problem in criticising something that is true?
Because this is a christian forum. Not a doubter's forum. Believe what you will, but stop taking people down with you. I'm not going to go flame some athiests on an athiest's forum about not believing in YHWH. I wouldn't get anywhere. You obviously aren't either.

Maybe you should re-read the creeds. I'm still in line with Orthodox Christianity by not believing the Bible to be written by God, in fact, many prominent theologians and ministers are also in agreement with me.

Rrulez · « **Reply #49 on:** May 27, 2009, 06:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Colin Michael on May 27, 2009, 06:48:40 PM

Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
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Quote from: Rrulez on May 27, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
That isn't heresy, Colin. It's faith. Stop critisizing Christians for having faith on this message board. Go spread your doctrine on the athiest's mb. Not here. Its not welcome here.
For a Christian who seems so concerned with "truth" (and so convinced that you've found it), why should there be any problem in criticising something that is true?
Because this is a christian forum. Not a doubter's forum. Believe what you will, but stop taking people down with you. I'm not going to go flame some athiests on an athiest's forum about not believing in YHWH. I wouldn't get anywhere. You obviously aren't either.
Maybe you should re-read the creeds. I'm still in line with Orthodox Christianity by not believing the Bible to be written by God, in fact, many prominent theologians and ministers are also in agreement with me.

I agree that the bible has some minor flaws that are the result of poor translations, etc. But you arent doubting the flaws of the bible, you are doubting its authority over us. And why not doubt God why you're at it? There's nothing productive that comes out of it. Nothing.

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