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Quote from: STAMP on November 26, 2010, 06:44:48 PM

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SEC AND Big 10 AND Big East AND Pac 10 AND Big 12 AND ACC keep telling us that teams like Alabama/Iowa/Pittsburgh/Oregon St./Oklahoma/Florida St. are far superior to teams like Boise St, Utah, TCU, et al.

Fixed again.  They're ALL Robber Barons.

This is another incorrect assessment: none of those teams are ranked above Boise St. or TCU, I don't think any of them are in line for a BCS game this year, and definitely none of them are going to the title game over them.  Utah had one victory against a ranked team, got drilled by TCU and beat soundly by Notre Dame; they've demonstrated they are not one of the two best teams in the country.  This is a pretty bad chip-on-shoulder claim.

It is only an incorrect assessment if I had initially stipulated that my statements were focused solely on the year 2010.  I did not.  I only specified team names as examples for the general atmosphere of the game.  Year in and year out, this subject comes up regardless of the names of the schools involved. 

But the Big 6 conferences keep telling us that teams like Oklahoma are far superior to teams like Boise St, Utah, TCU, et al.

Forget it STAMP. There simply is no match for Big Ten arrogance..... except perhaps SEC arrogance. We should scrap the whole BCS set up and just match the top teams in the BigTen and SEC for all the major bowl games from now on. No one else is worthy. I'm not sure why Oregon is even still up there. A one-loss Big Ten team is better than an undefeated PAC10 team any day of the week. 

For the record, I was watching the newest Star Trek movie and felt the urge to try to elicit an emotional response in order to usurp control of the boards. Since Schaef used italics to demonstrate emotion, I hereby cite Starfleet Regulation 619: The commanding officer must relieve themselves of command if their current mission leaves them emotionally compromised and unable to make rational decisions.

I am now in control of these boards.

Seeing as how a mod is 1/3 this conversation, could he maybe move it to the appropriate area?

Boise St. lost...new conversation...

But that's not possible!  Boise State is better than Oregon and Auburn put together!  They were scheduled to play the Seahawks next Sunday for control of the NFC West!

Well, I guess they're just going to have to get in line with Stanford and Oklahoma State and all the other one-loss teams and say there's always next year.

Let's be clear about one other thing before the convo withers and dies: I have always hated the BCS system, from day one.  I'm pretty sure somewhere on these boards I have a broad thesis outlining all the reasons it's crap.  I agreed that copping out by putting Boise St. and TCU in the mix only to have them play each other robbed both schools of a chance to prove they weren't going to be the next Notre Dame.

But this whole thing about the conferences using the BCS to screw the other schools is totally overblown.  The Series responded to Utah's win over Pitt by changing the rules so that a top-ranked non-conference school would get an automatic bid to play in a BCS game.  That's what got Boise and TCU and Utah into these games in the first place.  That's what gave Hawaii the privilege of getting drilled by Georgia.  And Utah has actually demonstrated they belong in the conversation by beating Alabama a couple years ago.  But that doesn't mean that every State Tech A&M team that blows through their Division 1-1/2 conference would be playing in the SEC Championship game most years.  Trust me, cause this is coming from a guy whose team is the class of the Big Ten and a title contender nearly every year, but still needs to prove they can do the job against a superior SEC conference.

Every conference has bad teams, or average teams with bad years.  There can be strong arguments made about whether some conferences deserve their place among the major six (I'm not naming names, Big East and Big 12).  And the day they ask the people what they want, I'll be first in line to say give us a playoff and allow these teams from smaller conferences the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is.  But come on: some of these schools are better than you, a few of them significantly so.

I'm rooting against TCU. If a mid-major was gonna get in, I was hope'n for Boise State. I'm not 100% sure, but it seems more of a cult than a Christian school that TCU goes to(judge'n by wikipedia, which is pretty much always 100% on). If I could pick, I'd like the Ducks to win it, or an 1 loss team.

I don't think they're a real Christian school.

Just because they are not your Christian does not make them not Christian.

My Christian? Not sure what you're saying.

He was expressing his opinion.  No need to go on the warpath.
Also: a school is a lot more than the sum of it's parts.

I'm not going on the warpath. I just don't know what he's saying.

And i'm not saying Christian schools are better than secular, but i'm not a fan of cults. I'd rather the school be secular.

Can you cite the article you're referring to Daniel? I didn't see it when I looked up TCU.

Here's the new thread:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=24570.0

To get back on topic here, I don't believe 12-0 mid majors should ever get a shot at a national title without a playoff. If Butler hits that last second 3 and beats Duke last year in march madness, they deserve it. For Boise or TCU to beat 12 chumps and get in is a joke. Boise getting beat by Nevada proves those teams are still not equal to the top teams. Can they get lucky and win 1 game vs a #1 team, yes...Do they deserve that chance to be lucky...no.

Honestly, once conference transition happens, the MW should be an AQ assuming all stays as is talent wise. The Big East and Big 12 can forfeit their bids.

While that is very well true, the Big Ten typically produces better teams. You can't tell me any of the recent Pitt teams would win the majority of games against most recent Penn State teams, for example (though this year it would be a tossup).