Author Topic: Article 3 is now taunting us with overpoweredness (Read 13491 times)

The Schaef · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:02:11 PM »

It was the compromise between breaking capture and only using it on "place" abilities (which then leads to figuring out what's a "place" and what's just a destination for something else).

Gabe · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:28:15 PM »

This version is much cooler than the one that only worked on cards who's ability "begin with the word place".

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:01:46 PM »

Mwahaha, now I can finally talk about its awesomness.

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on June 17, 2009, 05:08:54 PM

I don't play White, but I thought the SA applied to variations on "ignore" as well. There are only 9 that say "ignore" as opposed to some variation, so that would take most of the teeth out of I Am Truth.

Nope, it doesnt work with Scarlet Line for example. It needs to litterally have the word "Ignore." Same goes with this card, needs to have the word "Place"... no 'd at the end.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:47:42 PM »

I wasn't talking about Scarlet Line. Only 9 good enhancements (3 when I Am Truth was printed, one of which couldn't be negated anyway) say "ignore", vs. almost 20 that say "ignores" or "ignored" (several reprints there). Same issue with the original Priestly Breastplate.

The other question is whether or not this applies to just specifying the root word ("ignore", like I Am Truth) vs. variations on it ("ignores", like I Am Love).

Schaef brought up a good point - at one point, the ruling was that it applied to other tenses/variations, because HoH negated the words "interrupt, prevent, and negate" and the Warriors TSA (and Ira, Benaiah, and Moses) said "interrupted and prevented" and they were negated by HoH. Maybe it's not that way now, but it was recently (at one point, I saw an errata where all versions of HoH negated the words instead the SA types).

Maybe this discussion needs to be moved to Ruling Questions (I didn't want to deal with Spoiler stuff), since it's getting off of the article.

New Raven BR · « **Reply #54 on:** June 17, 2009, 09:13:44 PM »

i really don't like the sound of it
it's too....how can i say it.....OverPowered

The Schaef · « **Reply #55 on:** June 17, 2009, 09:19:48 PM »

There are ways around it. Like Bryon, I too became a big fan of orange/pale placement defense. But I also gave a boost to another Hero reprinted in this set which undermines the very defense I love to play.

Isildur · « **Reply #56 on:** June 17, 2009, 09:37:54 PM »

Do you need a hug Schaef?

crustpope · « **Reply #57 on:** June 17, 2009, 10:10:08 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on June 17, 2009, 04:45:49 PM

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My sentiments exactly. I think the Abom strategy with this is EPIC. and I AM GRACE will have to be a staple in every deck from here on out.

This is insane. In dont even know where to begin to defend against this. used to be you only had to worry about your Heros while you were on offense, now you have to worry about heros all the time because with High places they can be hit pretty much whenever.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #58 on:** June 17, 2009, 11:43:18 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on June 17, 2009, 10:10:08 PM

My sentiments exactly. I think the Abom strategy with this is EPIC. and I AM GRACE will have to be a staple in every deck from here on out.

Disagree. What exactly is so dangerous about this card other than a few paralyzers, Sin in the Camps, and random soul shufflers?

Gabe · « **Reply #59 on:** June 18, 2009, 12:16:18 AM »

Here are the EEs I found with the word "place" in the SA:

Doctrine like Leaven
Net
Abomination of Desolation
Breaking the Covenant
Consumed by Wants
Cornered
Danites Attack
Reckless Endangerment
Satan Released
Wings of Calamity
Wickedness of Delilah
Bad Decision
Brothers' Envy
Broken Cisterns
Dungeon of Malchiah
Land Purchase
Prison Guards
Rebellious
Seeds of Rebellion
Threatened Lives
Weakness
Wounded
Boasting of Strength
Dejected
Masquerading
Oblivious
Seeds of Doubt
Set Fire
Sold into Slavery
Boasing Riches
Denial of Christ
Enticed
Guards
Pagan Sacrifices
Seemingly Insignificant
Spreading Mildew
Subject Deserted
Take as a Slave
Temptation
Wicked Community
Fortify Site
Banishment
Deceptive Sin
Evil Advice
Fearfulness
Snare
Pride in Position
Built on Sand
Lukewarm
Poison of Dragons
The Rabsaris Attacks
Chariots of the Sun
Lying in Wait
Assyria Conquers Israel
Angry Travelers
Boasing of Wisdom
Consumed by Doubt
Defiant
Fear of Danger
Possessed
Sin in the Camp
Slave Trade
Stocks
Thorn in the Flesh

Quote from: Bryon on June 18, 2009, 03:09:55 PM

As for the "place" vs "placed" debate, in the other thread, I just wrote what I told my playtest group. I am not confident that I was correct. I just assumed that the word had to match, but I'd be OK going the other way, if that is the precident.

If we get to use "placed" as well then we gain these five:

Gibeonite Treaty
Joseph's Brothers' Scheme
Outburst of Anger
Divisions in the Church
Leprosy

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #60 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:01:44 AM »

Bryon did say 55 or so. Casting Lots says "replace", which I'm not sure qualifies. Consumed by Doubt has to be placed on a hero "in battle", so it's useless with High Places.

Bryon also said that it needed to say "place" not "placed", which would cut the number down. I don't think there's a final answer on that though.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #61 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:13:08 AM »

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Threatened Lives

Fun use for it

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #62 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:28:11 AM »

My two favorites on that list are Set Fire and Danites Attack.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #63 on:** June 18, 2009, 11:54:00 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on June 18, 2009, 10:13:08 AM

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Threatened Lives
Fun use for it

Dont be revealing my single favorite new card to use with High Places now.

I'll just say I've played a few games with this combo, and it is an absolute MONSTER.

I'll just list my favorites since the list is pretty much up now...

Threatened Lives
Weakness
Broken Cisterns
Land Purchase
Spreading Mildew
Assyria Conquers Israel

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #64 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:27:17 PM »

My gosh... I'm just sitting here thinking about how awesome site decks are going to be with this card. I might be able to revive my old standby.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #65 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:31:30 PM »

I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card.

SirNobody · « **Reply #66 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:39:18 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on June 18, 2009, 01:31:30 PM

I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card.

Because site decks aren't awesome without this card?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #67 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:40:19 PM »

I stand corrected.

I'm sitting here KNOWING how (Even MORE) awesome site decks are with this card.

Better?

TXJonathan · « **Reply #68 on:** June 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM »

Spreading Mildew becomes like another Image of Jealousy with this card.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #69 on:** June 18, 2009, 04:29:29 PM »

Quote from: NWJonathan on June 18, 2009, 02:40:58 PM

Spreading Mildew becomes like another Image of Jealousy with this card.

Each brigade gets a huge boost with this card on defense. Orange gets the biggest though.

Gabe · « **Reply #70 on:** June 18, 2009, 04:53:11 PM »

I kinda thought that Pale Green got the biggest boost but I suppose that's arguable.

I updated the list.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #71 on:** June 18, 2009, 05:06:01 PM »

I think Bryon said that verb tenses would be allowed. So "placed" would be okay. "Places" would also be allowed, if any exist that are not the plural noun.

The Schaef · « **Reply #72 on:** June 18, 2009, 05:35:53 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on June 17, 2009, 04:49:08 PM

JBS: no. It says "placed" not "place." At least, that is how I ruled it in my playtest group.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #73 on:** June 18, 2009, 07:31:49 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on June 18, 2009, 03:09:55 PM

As for the "place" vs "placed" debate, in the other thread, I just wrote what I told my playtest group. I am not confident that I was correct. I just assumed that the word had to match, but I'd be OK going the other way, if that is the precident.

lightningninja · « **Reply #74 on:** June 18, 2009, 08:38:39 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on June 18, 2009, 01:31:30 PM

I'm sitting here KNOWING how awesome site decks are with this card.

Actually... no.

A-bom: destroys site lock.
Danites Attack/any other site stealer: works both ways.

Any card that steals a site can be used for your opponent. But you will have people going... that card stinks! I don't want to put in counter-cards so I'm just gonna sit here complaining about how broken this card is. *coughgardentombcough*

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