Author Topic: Apocrypha as a Redemption expansion. (Read 12766 times)

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2010, 07:07:37 PM »

I think it's best to just stick with the canon books.

SirTimothy · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2010, 07:47:01 PM »

Tobit- Multi-colored evil character */* Negate and discard Garden Tomb. (*= # of Garden Tombs destroyed.)

Deist · « **Reply #27 on:** July 20, 2010, 11:41:20 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 20, 2010, 04:44:50 PM

The emperors martyred many a Christian (Just look at FooF)

So did many emperors following them

Quote from: Daniel TS RED on July 20, 2010, 07:07:37 PM

I think it's best to just stick with the canon books.

To late. We already have used non canon sources. I am not saying add the Koran or the book of Mormon. I am just say we could broaden the scope of cards to include a large portion of Christians who also have the Apocrypha as a part of their Bibles...like Catholics.

Quote from: SirTimothy on July 20, 2010, 07:47:01 PM

Tobit- Multi-colored evil character */* Negate and discard Garden Tomb. (*= # of Garden Tombs destroyed.)

Tobit wouldn't be an evil character. But I like where you were going anyway.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2010, 11:46:43 PM »

Quote from: Deist on July 20, 2010, 11:41:20 PM

I am not saying add the Koran or the book of Mormon. I am just say we could broaden the scope of cards to include a large portion of Christians who also have the Apocrypha as a part of their Bibles...like Catholics.

I see where you are coming from here, but I think it's best we just stick with the stuff we know everyone is comfortable with, especially while that source is still abundant.

The Warrior · « **Reply #29 on:** July 21, 2010, 12:08:59 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 20, 2010, 11:46:43 PM

Quote from: Deist on July 20, 2010, 11:41:20 PM
I am not saying add the Koran or the book of Mormon. I am just say we could broaden the scope of cards to include a large portion of Christians who also have the Apocrypha as a part of their Bibles...like Catholics.
I see where you are coming from here, but I think it's best we just stick with the stuff we know everyone is comfortable with, especially while that source is still abundant.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #30 on:** July 21, 2010, 12:10:23 AM »

I don't see a need to add Apocryphal references into what we have, we still have tons of stuff to use, not to mention mountains of old cards that could use reprints.

Deist · « **Reply #31 on:** July 21, 2010, 12:15:00 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 20, 2010, 11:46:43 PM

Quote from: Deist on July 20, 2010, 11:41:20 PM
I am not saying add the Koran or the book of Mormon. I am just say we could broaden the scope of cards to include a large portion of Christians who also have the Apocrypha as a part of their Bibles...like Catholics.
I see where you are coming from here, but I think it's best we just stick with the stuff we know everyone is comfortable with, especially while that source is still abundant.

But is it? I think cactus will do a great job reprinting some older characters to make them relevant to the game with the disciples set and may one or two more sets. I just don't want to see them really scraping for characters by pouring through the genealogies. I think a lot can be said when a verse correlates to a card. You can't get that in the middle of a list of David's genealogy.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #32 on:** July 21, 2010, 12:28:13 AM »

Quote from: Deist on July 21, 2010, 12:15:00 AM

I just don't want to see them really scraping for characters by pouring through the genealogies.

They have already done this with many of the priests.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #33 on:** July 21, 2010, 01:08:38 AM »

To be fair, like 10 Priests in the Bible actually have stuff about them other than their names.

Deist · « **Reply #34 on:** July 21, 2010, 01:56:03 AM »

Sounds like we should have had just ten priests.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #35 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:22:18 AM »

Sounds like you should have spent your money and created a card game based on the bible.

Deist · « **Reply #36 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:31:06 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on July 21, 2010, 02:22:18 AM

Sounds like you should have spent your money and created a card game based on the bible.

Market is too small. I do enjoy redemption but from a rules standpoint...to much errata and a lot of wording inconsistencies. I can't blame them. I don't think they ever expected it to be as popular as it has become.

Master KChief · « **Reply #37 on:** July 21, 2010, 03:46:10 AM »

define 'popular'.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #38 on:** July 21, 2010, 09:48:43 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 21, 2010, 03:46:10 AM

define 'popular'.

Popular (in this case) is having a fan base that is large enough to buy enough product to keep the card game profitable (or at least breaking even) so that the game stays alive for 15 years (which only 1 other game has done).

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #39 on:** July 21, 2010, 11:35:37 AM »

Only one other COLLECTIBLE CARD game has done this (to be clear)...and in such a niche market such as Christian games. It really is quite impressive how God has used the initial efforts of one guy (Mr. Anderson) to bring so many gamers from around the country together in real, authentic*, community.

*Obviously the connection you have with others around this game and in general is up to you as an individual so don't break me down on this one too hard!

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #40 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:24:56 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 20, 2010, 04:16:40 PM

Quote from: Deist on July 20, 2010, 03:50:27 PM
The Old testament is full of stuff that would be considered witchcraft or ritualistic.
OT has a lot of interesting stuff in it, but one needs to know how to take it. You can't just marry a random prostitute because Amos (I think) did..

A I was Hosea. B If God TELLS you to like he did Hosea, you BETTER do it.

C God used that as an example for how the people were treating him. He also had one prophet (Kudos to who can name who it is) make "miniatures" to show what he was going to do to israel. He does quite a bit of "weird" stuff to make a point, but it is always very drastic.

Deist · « **Reply #41 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:35:45 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 21, 2010, 09:48:43 AM

Quote from: Master KChief on July 21, 2010, 03:46:10 AM
define 'popular'.
Popular (in this case) is having a fan base that is large enough to buy enough product to keep the card game profitable (or at least breaking even) so that the game stays alive for 15 years (which only 1 other game has done).

Couldn't have said it better myself. Magic is the longest running TCG. Pokemon and Yugioh I believe are still hanging in there but no game has stood the telling of time like Magic.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:51:28 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 21, 2010, 02:24:56 PM

A I was Hosea. B If God TELLS you to like he did Hosea, you BETTER do it. C God used that as an example for how the people were treating him. He also had one prophet (Kudos to who can name who it is) make "miniatures" to show what he was going to do to israel. He does quite a bit of "weird" stuff to make a point, but it is always very drastic.

Ezekiel.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2010, 02:54:24 PM »

Quote from: Deist on July 21, 2010, 02:35:45 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 21, 2010, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Master KChief on July 21, 2010, 03:46:10 AM
define 'popular'.
Popular (in this case) is having a fan base that is large enough to buy enough product to keep the card game profitable (or at least breaking even) so that the game stays alive for 15 years (which only 1 other game has done).

Couldn't have said it better myself. Magic is the longest running TCG. Pokemon and Yugioh I believe are still hanging in there but no game has stood the telling of time like Magic.

But to be fair its not like Yugioh or Pokemon have even been around for 15 years yet, so they very well could be but they didn't come out early enough. But I will say one of the biggest advantages Redemption has to combat is "smaller target audience" is that we have built such a good community so that people not only enjoy playing the game but enjoy being with the people who play the game

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2010, 03:45:02 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on July 21, 2010, 02:24:56 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 20, 2010, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: Deist on July 20, 2010, 03:50:27 PM
The Old testament is full of stuff that would be considered witchcraft or ritualistic.
OT has a lot of interesting stuff in it, but one needs to know how to take it. You can't just marry a random prostitute because Amos (I think) did..
A I was Hosea. B If God TELLS you to like he did Hosea, you BETTER do it. C God used that as an example for how the people were treating him. He also had one prophet (Kudos to who can name who it is) make "miniatures" to show what he was going to do to israel. He does quite a bit of "weird" stuff to make a point, but it is always very drastic.

Yeah, definately Ezekiel

Deist · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2010, 03:59:44 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on July 21, 2010, 02:54:24 PM

Quote from: Deist on July 21, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 21, 2010, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Master KChief on July 21, 2010, 03:46:10 AM
define 'popular'.
Popular (in this case) is having a fan base that is large enough to buy enough product to keep the card game profitable (or at least breaking even) so that the game stays alive for 15 years (which only 1 other game has done).

Couldn't have said it better myself. Magic is the longest running TCG. Pokemon and Yugioh I believe are still hanging in there but no game has stood the telling of time like Magic.

But to be fair its not like Yugioh or Pokemon have even been around for 15 years yet, so they very well could be but they didn't come out early enough. But I will say one of the biggest advantages Redemption has to combat is "smaller target audience" is that we have built such a good community so that people not only enjoy playing the game but enjoy being with the people who play the game

I can't say I have enjoyed playing with some people in every card game I have played. I have played Magic, Pokemon, and Yugioh with people while not enjoying playing redemption with others. I enjoy Magic because the play group is generally more mature. I agree with you on the fact that redemption has a very strong long distance relationship with its players that is not generally shared with other games. I think the small community contributes to that.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2010, 04:10:18 PM »

I think Redemption has been a successful as it has simply because the primary reason people play Redemption (in comparison to other CCG/TCGs) is that it has positive content (to Christians). When the market fell out of other TCGs/in general, it didn't hit Redemption as noticeably because the same people still see it a providing the same benefits. Perhaps it is a little harder to get some of the cards, but people still spend their money because they view Redemption as a positive benefit in their lives, not jsut a fun hobby. In comparison, when the market dropped on other games, people decided to stop funding a hobby - a fun hobby, but still a hobby nonetheless.

Deist · « **Reply #47 on:** July 21, 2010, 04:37:25 PM »

To my knowledge Magic only went through one period of time where people stopped playing (Kamigawa block). Actually I would disagree with you on your hobby point. I have seen (unfortunately so) people who struggle to keep their hobby in their life. Any card game can have positive benefits. Having fun with people is what games are about. I think that redemption and every other card game has that benefit. The reason you don't see a huge decline in Redemption at any point is you only lose a few players at any one moment. There is not masses of people who are playing to show and dramatic signs of people quitting the game.

To me redemption will always be a game. It is a fun game and there is much less competition. It provides me with no benefits that other games did not provide.

drb1200 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 21, 2010, 04:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Deist on July 21, 2010, 04:37:25 PM

...there is much less competition....

Obviously, you've never attended a tournament.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #49 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:06:17 PM »

That's fine for you Deist, but the large majority of people here would state that one of the defining reasons they play Redemption is because it provides Spiritual context and tends to increase their knowledge of the Bible. It's been stated numerous times by numerous people to be the case. That's why they don't give it up until absolutely necessary. It's not just a hobby, it's spiritual training to them.

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Author Topic: Apocrypha as a Redemption expansion. (Read 12766 times)

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