Cactus Game Design Message Boards
Open Forum => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Lozo777 on June 01, 2010, 01:15:49 PM
-
Can anyone tell me what the point of taking an anti-depressant is if one of the side effects just happens to be "Thoughts of suicide"?
-
Almost every medication that involves altering mental processes (anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, i believe even my ADHD meds) has a warning of "suicidal thoughts."
The FDA requires medications to list any and all side effects that may occur in conjunction with a medicine. Many times, those suicidal thoughts cannot be directly linked to the medication.
Think about it. If you are struggling with one of these problems enough in order to have to be medicated, you possibly are already on the brink of being suicidal to start with, and because of medication altering brain processes, you may be pushed into that realm of thinking when you hadn't been there previously.
I had to take an acne medication in high school known as Accutane. One of the side effects of this was suicidal thoughts, and I actually had to take an anti-depressant with the medication to try to alleviate this. Accutane is saved for people who have severe acne for long periods of time. Don't you think you'd have low self-esteem and be depressed if that was the case?
So I think the question here is causality. Did that make any sense?
~Marti
-
Yeah I guess it makes sense. It just still seems odd imo. :P
-
It is odd, but it's the nature of medicating yourself. It's like those medicines that fix problem A but has side effects B-H.
-
yeah its just a standered procedure. alot of times the side affect (like thoughts of suicide) are not actually side affects. but say the med's dont help someone and they still have thoughs of suicide. and then they will complane to the company of sue and make them put that "WARNING" up on the bottle. so actually its not always true. but dont take that for granate.
-
I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
-
I'm not a huge fan either Pol. I was blessed to find a psychologist in my area that believes in more natural ways of getting past issues... I'm on Adderall for my ADHD (that happened before going to this psychologist), but I'm one of those people that has very few side effects with it. I guess I'm blessed. :)
-
I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
Pol you have no idea what those drugs can do. Ileagl drugs are MUCH worse.
-
I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
Pol you have no idea what those drugs can do. Ileagl drugs are MUCH worse.
Do you have any idea of what they can do? Just think of Marijuana. No one ever dies from that (although yes, it is the infamous gateway drug). And yet people can easily die from prescription medication in wrong doses.
-
I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
Pol you have no idea what those drugs can do. Ileagl drugs are MUCH worse.
Do you have any idea of what they can do? Just think of Marijuana. No one ever dies from that (although yes, it is the infamous gateway drug). And yet people can easily die from prescription medication in wrong doses.
Look at Meth or pure heroin They kill people every day I know MUCH more on this subject than you think. But i do not wish to talk about it.
-
Just think of Marijuana. No one ever dies from that
Statistics and/or backing information for this statement please.
Godspeed,
Mike
-
Dude, RED, way to go. While we're at it, let's talk about dusting and jenkem. Of course two of the hardest illegal drugs are worse for your than prescription meds, I was talking about the mild stuff like cannabis or shrooms. But my point wasn't that illegal drugs are good, my point is that mood/thought-altering prescription meds are very bad.
-
Dude, RED, way to go. While we're at it, let's talk about dusting and jenkem. Of course two of the hardest illegal drugs are worse for your than prescription meds, I was talking about the mild stuff like cannabis or shrooms. But my point wasn't that illegal drugs are good, my point is that mood/thought-altering prescription meds are very bad.
:doh:
-
Statistics and/or backing information for this statement please.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30 (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30)
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen008.htm (http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen008.htm)
http://www.electricemperor.com/enter/how.html (http://www.electricemperor.com/enter/how.html)
Look at Meth or pure heroin They kill people every day I know MUCH more on this subject than you think. But i do not wish to talk about it.
Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
Emphasis mine.
Of course two of the hardest illegal drugs are worse for your than prescription meds, I was talking about the mild stuff like cannabis or shrooms. But my point wasn't that illegal drugs are good, my point is that mood/thought-altering prescription meds are very bad.
Yes, I'm not trying to argue that Marijuana is good. Many prescription drugs are just worse.
-
yeah so it doesn't kill ya so what it sets you up for death same as other drugs
-
Sheesh, RED, you just aren't getting it.
-
yeah so it doesn't kill ya so what it sets you up for death same as other drugs
Everything sets you up for a death.
-
Hey,
I am not a fan of any thought-altering or behavior-altering medication for any reason whatsoever. Many illegal drugs are far, far less harmful than the stuff Doctors prescribe like it's candy.
So if someone had a physical abnormality would you be opposed to them having cosmetic surgery to appear more normal?
I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.
I believe doctors do give out more prescriptions for mental illnesses than they should. I also believe (and have witnessed) that medication for mental illness can have a very significant beneficial effect.
I'm not really a fan of anti-depressants (even in some cases where they seem beneficial), but I do believe there are situations where taking them is in the best interests of all parties involved.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
-
I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.
The Holy Spirit called. He wants his job back.
-
I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.
The Holy Spirit called. He wants his job back.
I'm not a huge fan of anti-depressant medication either, and that was a funny response. But let's look for a moment at what you're saying. What if someone said that casts were helping an individual to protect their leg bone while it was healing. The Lord is our fortress and strong tower who protects us, so you could make the same humorous comment about a cast. What if someone was missing legs, and used a wheelchair to get around. In the Lord we live and move and have our being. He lifts us up on wings as eagles, so you could make the same humorous comment about paraplegics.
But obviously there are times when people need casts and wheelchairs. And using those things do not mean that people aren't still trusting God to take care of their needs. So don't you think it's possible that some people could have issues dealing with the chemicals in their brains that cause them to need medication to resolve those imbalances? I think that Christians should be more careful to not spiritualize mental or emotional problems (caused by things they can't see) any more than they spiritualize physical ones (caused by things that they can see).
-
i believe the medical field is a merical. i mean look even (his name slipped my mind) one of the appostals was a Dr. and i think God gave us the abillity to help other people in need.
i think God can easily heal us ourselves but we can also use the gifts he has given us too. so while some anti-depressants may be dangerous others may help. there are acctually studys that prove people who take anti-depressants are less likely to suffer long term affects of depression.
so i think really what we have to do about things like this is pray and ask God to show us what he wants us to do. :)
-
I prefer to think of anti-depressants and similar medications as helping an individual to control their thoughts and behaviors rather than altering the thoughts and behaviors for the person.
The Holy Spirit called. He wants his job back.
I'm not a huge fan of anti-depressant medication either, and that was a funny response. But let's look for a moment at what you're saying. What if someone said that casts were helping an individual to protect their leg bone while it was healing. The Lord is our fortress and strong tower who protects us, so you could make the same humorous comment about a cast. What if someone was missing legs, and used a wheelchair to get around. In the Lord we live and move and have our being. He lifts us up on wings as eagles, so you could make the same humorous comment about paraplegics.
But obviously there are times when people need casts and wheelchairs. And using those things do not mean that people aren't still trusting God to take care of their needs. So don't you think it's possible that some people could have issues dealing with the chemicals in their brains that cause them to need medication to resolve those imbalances? I think that Christians should be more careful to not spiritualize mental or emotional problems (caused by things they can't see) any more than they spiritualize physical ones (caused by things that they can see).
I'm not downplaying the medical field but Anti-Depressants, God gives us his JOY doesn't he? That doesn't mean that we don't get depressed but we should rely on God not drugs imo. (Then again, I've seen the ill-effects these have on my friends so I am a bit biased)
-
I'm not downplaying the medical field but Anti-Depressants, God gives us his JOY doesn't he? That doesn't mean that we don't get depressed but we should rely on God not drugs imo. (Then again, I've seen the ill-effects these have on my friends so I am a bit biased)
But why is it that if you have an infection in your leg, that you can rely on drugs from the medical field and that's alright, but if you have a problem with your brain, that you can't rely on anti-depressants but have to just rely on God to get through. You wouldn't tell someone with diabetes to just rely on God and not insulin would you?
-
I think we should avoid anti-depressant drugs the same way we should avoid alcohol. Anything that changes the way our brain functions is dangerous.
-
I'm not downplaying the medical field but Anti-Depressants, God gives us his JOY doesn't he? That doesn't mean that we don't get depressed but we should rely on God not drugs imo. (Then again, I've seen the ill-effects these have on my friends so I am a bit biased)
But why is it that if you have an infection in your leg, that you can rely on drugs from the medical field and that's alright, but if you have a problem with your brain, that you can't rely on anti-depressants but have to just rely on God to get through. You wouldn't tell someone with diabetes to just rely on God and not insulin would you?
I think we should avoid anti-depressant drugs the same way we should avoid alcohol. Anything that changes the way our brain functions is dangerous.
He summed up what I was saying. I am going to say take my take on this topic with a grain of salt. I am exceedingly biased against most brain altering medication due to my experiences on it.